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Reporting rare quantity

Discussion in 'UO Rares Collector' started by Ooguk [Cove], Jan 26, 2010.

  1. Ooguk [Cove]

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    I recently bought this bow from a respected rares collector and he told me 5-6 were looted, so im only going by that. *CHEERS*
     
  2. Apetul

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    Well.. your friend can be respected or whatever but he *cant* really know how many of these items were droped/looted if he doesnt ask the EM that create the event. I do, ive asked the EM. U can ask him too, his email is of public knowledge ([email protected]).

    Btw, there is not so much difference between 5-6 (?) and 10.

    Cheers.
     
  3. DVI

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    As I know who he purchased the bow from I'd be more likely to believe the quote of 5-6.

    Also, as the EM said himself he doesn't know if they were all looted, and you'd be very suprised how often event items don't get looted b/c players can't find the corpse, or mouse over an object to quickly and in some cases simply pass over an item thinking its junk.

    I know the individual who made the original quote does their homework before stating item quantities. So, while they may be off by 1 or 2 in either direction (margin of error is unavoidable) you can be assured theyre fairly accurate.
     
  4. Ooguk [Cove]

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    TY! Im not trying to Scam Ne one here, It just didnt fit In My house so im selling it.
     
  5. Apetul

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    I play LS. I was in the event (i use a stealth archer) and I was waiting along with 6-8 people on each archer clone / sturdy soldier body to loose the instance loot and try to find special items after they got killed. No bows were missed or non looted.

    Well, he/they forgot to ask to the only one person that knows for sure how many items were droped: the EM. Not trying to being rude, but that does not look like a good homework for me.

    I'm not saying someone is a scammer or anything like that. I just want to add better info about how many bows exists. If you guys really prefer to think random numbers like 5-6 its ok for me, i have one of these bows sitting in my house so i think now is more valuable :)

    Cheers
     
  6. Tomas_Bryce

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    EM's quote overrides ANY information from anyone else. If the EM says X number for an item were dropped then there is always a possibility that (at least) X number of that item exists.

    I don't care who you are, but you can never be certain that you have been able to account for all of the drop. So the number of items that were dropped remains the only fact and an EM is the primary source for it. Anything else is speculation.

    Additional information such as items lost due to whatever reasons can be added as supplementary but the original number remains the most important piece of information.

    Apetul: I will ask Manticore to update the list with the new information. Thank you for sharing.
     
  7. Manticore

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157


    For this particular event the items were dropped on the bosses. If the person who insists there were 10 in existence there for all 10 of the bosses then I would believe his count. But the event place was so big even I didn't get to all the bosses. Another regular event goer was also there and he said he fought all the bosses and even he said he didnt see all 10.

    So Tomas, I don't agree with your argument completely there are still room for error. In this case, even though the EM said he dropped 10 but he himself wasn't sure if all were looted and only afterwards said it most likley were. That doesn't sound like a confident answer. I'll give you another example, the EM on GL specifically asked right after the event how many people got the item multiple times in chat and out in the open and 2 people responded. He even said 5 were dropped. So in this case that's more than a 50% error difference if I followed your way of estimating the item count. But I do agree with the other poster as I've told Baron, I too have a margin of error since I am not an EM and 6-8 vs 10 is not that big of a deal at all. It only makes a difference when its 1 vs the rest and I guess the value changes when it hits 25 then 50 etc...
     
  8. shulginist

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    Re: Lake Superior Event Item Bow 5-6 Dropped Starting Bids @ 65m Icq: 340 346 157

    Just because only two people responded doesn't necessarily mean that everyone that looted one was there or that people were telling the truth. I would have a hard time believing that three of the five items that were dropped were not looted in that case. I have seen too many people hovering over corpses on GL to think that over half were lost.
     
  9. Tomas_Bryce

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    Manticore, everything you said is speculation.

    The hard number is 10. Every EM item dropped via a monster has a chance of not getting picked up. But, when the drop number is known, that is what should be reported.

    Any speculative information, if deemed useful enough, can go in parenthesis.
     
  10. Tiri

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    When I have been fortunate enough to get a rare, I keep my mouth shut because I do not want to be hounded to sell. My rare is Priceless to me.There may be others like me. I am not in league as a rare collector with many others. I have mostly semi rares SO the One real Item I have is sooooo special to me. If I ever am fortunate enough to get another real rare again I will keep quiet. Sorry Manticore if that upsets your data. You do an amazing job with your cataloging but it can never be 100%. :) I think you knew that though.
     
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    It is nice to know that some things are still so special to some people, I like that :) Those special moments make the game fun when you can grab that little pixel yourself, that's really nice. :)
     
  12. Suzzy

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    Just say 10 were reported to have dropped as per the EM, but there is no guarantee that all 10 were looted. I don't understand why this has become such a complicated discussion.
     
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    "Everything"? Hundreds of them were confirmed by EMs
     
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    I got one.. and I know 2 others who got 1.. so, thats what 5 or 6 accounted for?
     
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    I never said 100% on anything. In fact, if you read my previous posts I said I have an error rate of 20% at least. I've made it clear many times my sources are gotten from EMs, personal attendance, and other sources. I am not saying my way is the perfect way but Toma's way just by saying a flat out "10" is not right either when there is doubt even by the EMs own admittance. Now there is one more way to solve all of this which is to take out ALL numbers that will add a whole new dimension of fun when it comes to auctions.

    What should have been done was after I posted 6-8 so lets leave it at that, but when people started bickering about 2 more that's TWO MORE to add that quantity list up to 10 as if would make a whole world of difference on pricing thats just kinda foolish. I can see the argument if it was one-of-a-kind and got mis-reported but from 8 to 10? comon folks.
     
  16. Gus of Llanowar

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    maybe the em/s should serial number the items to end this confusion hince 3/10 or 11/50. In sports cards this is done and it adds an even higher desire for items because even though there are 50 of an item whichever is serial numbered to be 1/50 is generally worth more in the collectors eyes. Just a thought and if it the idea takes off remember you heard it here first.
     
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    Oh my... I also got one on LS. It is a regular looking bow with the same name and same color as yours.

    So one more accounted for. I think it is very nice thing they created. Ty Ems!
     
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    Everything is speculative with regards to the number in existence. If something is not looted then that item no longer counts towards the total. For instance, with an event on Pac not long ago...there were 8 energy cells created by the GM...however only 6 were recovered and the other two forever lost. In such a case, you say go with the 8...I say go with 6. Who is right...and who is wrong?
     
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    I think the key question is how reliable is the report of how many were looted. No one can be absolutely certain, but some circumstances are more reliable than others for getting an estimate of that. So it's almost always going to be a judgment call about reporting how many exist.

    If the EM states how many were created then I think it's useful to include that information when reporting how many are believed to exist. But we may not get that information very often, and it may be too much of a hassle to include it.
     
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    Maybe it should be reported as X number of these dropped during the event and to date Y number have been accounted for. Sort of like rare cars where they will tell you how many were made and how many are know to exist.
     
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    If a GM reports the numbers that were created, then that is what you have to go by. I could be at the said event and say I looted 1 when in actuality I looted 4, for whatever reason, so said number of items looted will always be a speculation. If the GM reports there were 10 dropped, you will never know for sure the numbers unless all 10 are accounted for. And then again, does it really matter if there are 6 or if there are 8 or if there are 10? Price range to me should all be the same on numbers 10 or under unless there is 1, then it should make a big difference.
     
  22. Fraggles

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    Agreed, go by the known # that was dropped. as for this bow i got one and my hubby also got one so thats 2 more. they are on display at my museum