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Request for Pet upgrade...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lady Storm, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. Lady Storm

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    I have been a Tamer for a very long time and have pets I would never think to rid myself of as they have been a working member of my game play.
    I am not alone in this... not just here in Stratics but in the game, we players have talked a great deal of how we wish the Dev would make it possible to make some way to give our favorite pets the same stats and power as the new models.
    Before the limits I for one had 2 WW that I took hunting in dastard for leather.. these days I have to drag a Greater Dragon who is slow as molasses and dumber then a rock... I'd match any of my old WW's in wits to them and my WW's will out think it.

    And I am seriously tired of walking!!

    I would upgrade my WW to GD status in a heartbeat...
    Look 99% of the time when I am on my nightmare and had my WW out for a hunting session the mare was my seat and only if I wanted to work her/him out for skills would I add their abilitys to the frey.

    I and many feel the same... the GD's are nice but ......... we love our old baby's more.
    This is not just a request for WW's or Dragons....but other pets as well.
    Nightmares could use a boost to be a bit more like their cousins the Dread....
    Hyru's could use a tiny boost like cu's...

    Oh and one more tiny bit.... open up the stable.
    I am so tired of juggling how to make max use of my slots and stable count that its frustrating to the point of screaming...
    I'd like you to open back up the slots as well...
    I do know many who fear you opening up tamer slots is the pvp community as there are many who would get creamed in fel by tamers... there is a solution.. Trammelize it only.
    Give us back some of our early year abilitys....
     
  2. Tina Small

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    What do you mean when you say the devs should "Trammelize" opening up tamer slots?
     
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  3. Lord Lew

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    Im assuming She means you can only have multiple dragons in tram... Nope, sorry, one tank for you!!!

    As for being tired of walking, swallow a race change token, choose gargoyle and fly with your dragon.
     
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    I think she means we would like the ability to have more then the alloted 5 slots for pets...thus allowing a Fel player to have...say...10 Frenzied or a battalion of other pets to attack unsuspecting people in Fel...which would be quite hilarious :) But would be very bad and cause a lot of issues obviously...so to only allow..say 10 slots in Trammel only and keep the 5 for Fel if that's at all possible.

    I for one refuse to have a Greater Dragon just for that reason..I HATE walking and miss riding my beloved Nightmare that I've had for ions. My Nightmare/Rune Beetle combination has always been my favorite but compared to the Greaters it's like fighting with 2 untamed Chickens :( lol
     
  5. Winker

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    I remember the good old days when there was no limit to how many pets you had behind you. I used to cary8 WW to every hunt and insta kill everything. Tamers were not popular back in those days
     
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    I think a pet slot rebalance is in order. I think that fact has also been recognized by the Devs and slatted for future review.

    As for those who are tired of walking, the gargoyle race provides a solution, you just have to choose between each races pros and cons, but I disagree with going to 6 stable slots or making a GD rideable.

    Here are a few of my wish list ideas:

    Greater WW: 4 slots with power in the Cu Sidhe range with magic instead of healing ability.

    Standard pet HP and resist upgrade... Something closer to a faction war horse. No real offensive capability, but something that can survive a little better than one hit from a mongbat.

    Additional armor for standard pets similar to swappy armor. I dislike riding onto battle on a large green bus just to get the bonus of an armored mount. Leave swampies with the best absorbsion but let us craft other armor types for other pets... Leather horse/llama barding. Would also love to see pet armor enhancable with dragon scales to get an extra bonus absorbsion to specific damage types.
     
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  7. weins201

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    Pets are fine where they are LEARN how to use them in their proper ways and where they belong. If a WW works then use it there is NOTHING preventing you from using a WW / Mare to do your hunting. They could uses a SMALL boost to their abilities but 5 Control slots is Fine. No more are needed!!!

    Now a few (alot) of pets could use relooking at as they are basically USELESS in their current form - Repatalons and Skree are god examples of completely useless pets for hunting.

    But again the posts idea about more control slots is just plain bad - and tram only LMAO :gee:
     
  8. Goldberg-Chessy

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    I am assuming she actually has some kind of time based attachment to a batch of pixels that happens to be in the shape of an animal.

    Very weird but if true why not then just hang out with your animal-shaped batch of pixels and snuggle? Why does this animal-shaped batch of pixels also have to have any new & particular offensive qualities?

    And wouldnt she be worried that the change to her beloved pet could cause some type of new physical or emotional damage to it?
    I mean I would be kinda worried if I took my pet to the vet for some kinda weird upgrade that made it 20x more powerful.
    **** like that always seems to have crazy side effects right?
     
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  9. Lady Storm

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    I honestly wonder if some of these negative reply's are true tamers....... or trolls who want to make trouble.

    Tina to explain my meaning in this is sort of what Larisa said.. In tram you would have 6 or more slots (depending on the Dev 's wim if any) this would only be for use in any trammilized land...
    One of the many reasons is...
    To the t hunter this would put a lot back in the hunt with lvl 7 maps.. get with it dev a lot of us like to solo play.
    The limit would remain the same in Fel as in keeping the PvP community happy they will not be slaughtered by a gaggle of frienzies or WWs some nut case drags to the yew gate...

    I have listened to players over the years complain of a wide variety of issues with pet limits and stable slots being so agravating...
    I as well as have had some of the same issues myself.
    I have max limits on my 120 but I cant use that last one... to take out my GD you need to stable the mare i'm on...if I fill the last spot I am screwed.. (pardon my French ppl but I am peaved)
    New pets are nice and I for one have a gaggle of different kinds in my stable...
    I have had to deligate some to other tamers so I could have them.. and I would prefer them on my main but I refuse to give up one more of my old pets to make that damn room for it!

    I am a tamer from the old days when any one could ride a nightmare... in fact the day they changed that my warrior was still sitting on his... it was very hard to figure out how to feed it and not loose its loyalty... bad times indeed...

    As for the idea I would change my race to that god awful gargoyle look to fly rather then ride my nightmare.... YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR EVER LOVING TREE!!!!!

    Don't say that around my Mnementh!!! He will eat you... go with out his owner... geesh Barbaric!!!

    Look All I want is for my WW's to be close to the GD in stats and power... I miss going to the swoops with Angel or Crystal... they cant dent it now.. and that peves me off to the nth degree that it had to be changed due to gold digging company's using dexer's to mop up huge gold piles. I miss the social times most tamers had there, they ruined it.

    I trust my Angel and Crystal, Mnementh and my cu's ... that Dumb GD is a pain in the rump and is a walking menace. Oh he is good for some killing but honestly I want my ww's back for my Tamer's..... I am not alone in this.

    Goldberg_chessy I have had my Mnementh for over 15 years.. Crystal the same and one other set of WW/mare on another tamer character... They are of the old ai... and if you think I wouldn't care for the years I have devoted to play UO and the cost of my accounts your bloody bonkers.. They represent all the good times and friends who are long gone from this world and the RL world.
    I am attached to them as one can be to a toy... If UO closed down tomorrow I would sorely miss my main account it has been a part of the last 16 years of my life.
    So stop fishing for a argument..
     
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    I for one would love to see some pet balancing going on, with some slot usage recount for some of them.
    I wouldn't need a bloody greater overgrown fire breathing chicken with scales instead of feathers if I could use a slight stronger White Wyrm/normal Rune Beetle with my disco tamer. Or go with Rune Beetle/3 hell hounds combo for some Shame hunting fun.
    I hate having to use a bloody greater overgrown fire breathing chicken to hunt so much that I haven't taken him out of the stables for months, and I doubt he is fully trained or will ever be.
    I'd play my tamer far more if the lower end beasts were more than a speed bump between the new big bad monsters in the dungeon and my soft tamer flesh.

    It would also be nice to see a lower skill requirement for some of the less powerful pets like the Unicorn. Heck, I'd sacrifice 140 points in my paladin template for 70 taming/70 lore if it allowed me to tame and control such magnificent beast. It would also open new template options, allowing you to keep most of your good skills while backing them up with some interesting pets.
     
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    Man I never get to have "social times" when I'm fighting monsters that drop anything worth caring about. I'm usually too busy running around casting spells and getting hit and stuff. Lazy spoiled tamers.
     
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  12. Lady Storm

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    Lazy??
    I ask you this do you have a tamer?
    If not.... Please try one then you tell me if your efforts with your WW or dragon is lazy.

    Before the GD I and a Friend would go to the blood ele's and train both pet and skills on us.. I cant tell you how many times ether one of us got our tush wacked and was damn lucky the other was a good vet! Or those WW would have been long gone.. before the bond crystal and Angel were common sights in there and you bet your bippy I was NOT lazy.

    Let me explain taming to you in a nut shell... long lonely hours out in the wilds of UO.. tame ..fail.. tame... fail... for hours... no company most times. Dangerous in lot of locations...
    oh some have found a quick way to beat the taming drudge.. but you best have a few days strait to devote to UO...
    Once you get to the point you can own a good enough pet to recoup some gold and make time on why you got into taming in the first place.. you need wait a week + for bonding...
    Oh .You die.. you die a lot... as many monsters now focus on you the minute you put 1 band aid on your pet... Got to love the dev's way of getting their jollies.
    My first 120 full base tamer is Tenya.. a lady to recon with... call her lazy she will lay you out in lavender with Angel or Ruby standing over your dead body... she hand did every minute of what I described without any short cuts... or Storm she will have you for lunch...
    lazy pfft......
     
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  13. MalagAste

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    I would LOVE To have a Greater WW.... ..... 4 slot WW would be great..... I'd much rather have one of those.... GD are stupid, and SLOW. I had an awesome WW then he was taken from me....

    As for the slots I think if you have all 120's REAL skill in Taming Lore and Vet you ought to be able to have 6 slots.. since you are obviously NOT the average tamer. I also think they should boost everyones Stable slots by 6.... giving the average joe 10 slots and tamers more. INfact I think having max skills 360 you ought to get 30 slots.

    Also think we ought to be able to tame more things like Dread Spiders, Black Widow spiders.... Cranes.... Fairy Dragons.. Some of the newer beefed up Mongbats and the like from Covetous...


    Also think the Bane and the Vanguard need to be permanently added to Illsh or t2a..... giving tamers a place to get Bane Dragons and Dread Warhorses.

    Also black horses need to spawn.... even if they only spawn in Fel that would be fine.
     
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    There is absolutely no reason anyone should "need" a Greater Dragon anyways. I feel they were a creature that never should have been put in the game, it's largely because of their durability that we get all of the Uber monsters that 1 hit players at events, the devs had to do something to combat them. One of the issues I see with Tamers is they don't match the pet to the creatures they are going out to hunt... Almost every pet has a range of creatures it does re markedly well at killing.

    That Mare/Rune Beetle Combo.. will out damage a Greater Dragon any day of the week against Dread Horn. Pair the bug up with a Kitsune and you have a good general purpose team. I've done the Shimmering Effusion with one other tamer both of us using nothing but Kitsune. Polar Bears in a pack will kill Ice Fiends in short order, and those lovely Frenzied Ostards in the hands of a Disco Tamer are devastating as a pack, I like to kill Cu'Sidhe with them. For doing Travesty, go get a good Reptalon... I'm serious they are extremely well matched for fighting that evil changeling.
     
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    I have been a Tamer since the beginning and your arguments are WEAK, use your White Wyrm NOTHING is stopping you, NOTHING
     
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    Tamers should get a bit of love. mainly i'd like to see another pet suited for pvp that doesn't have a slayer vulnerability. dreads become harder to come by and more expensive by the day. make a greater cu wiot fey slayer vulnerability. dogs are man's best friend anyway.
     
  17. Lady Storm

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    weins201 I will not argue with you so go find somewhere else to troll...

    There is a few different types of tamer out there in the game..

    The first is the player who thinks of his or her pet as a member of their working team, treating their pet as a valued member.

    The second is the player who thinks of his pet as a tool that can be used and abused and killed to the max and tossed off the minute it cost them a prized item..

    The third is the absent minded tamer.. oh they care if they loose the pet and do try when its in sight to care for it.. but get distracted...pet is the last thing on their minds...

    I am sure we all know a few of these and many more types who "run" pets.

    Those of us who feel our pets are a valued member of our team in our hunts don't abandon them for the "newest" hi tech pet on the market..
    GD's were one such pet that at first was a good idea but when I got past the awe of it I found it to be not all its cracked up to be.
    The dev knew it wouldn't be liked that it made us walk... that dev went further... they counted a ethy statue as a pet for heavens sake!
    Something you cant use other then a seat for your tush!
    Pets got slower... something I don't understand.. All pets take so long to keep up be it if you walk or are riding. This was not how it was... not sure if this was intended or a issue that has not been addressed yet.

    My request is not too out of hand.
    It has a sound basis of need for tamers who are not happy as things are.
    When people are not happy they don't stick around if it lasts too long.

    I made my Lady tamer way way before Elves and Gargoyles were a twinkle in any dev mind.. So is human. If I changed her to any of them she wouldn't be herself.... I have a elf tamer... she is good but not Tenya or Storm.... My son has a Gargoyle imbuer... and I did try one..... try is not like. I dislike her... its probably why she has not used much. In fact I am not sure what shard she is on and that's saying something when I can rattle off my characters and shards and all other info ... she is not one of the favored I guess.

    All I want is more stable room, a pet slot for tram only use so I can use that stupid GD and not have my feet hurt and the ability to use my favorite WW pet where now only GDs can tread.....
     
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    Give tamers with 3*120 in real skills one more control slot and I'll go hunt with dreadmare + runebeetle combo :please:
     
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    All I want is more stable room, a pet slot for tram only use so I can use that stupid GD and not have my feet hurt and the ability to use my favorite WW pet where now only GDs can tread.....[/quote]

    If that is all you want then I might agree with you how about we do this a Tamer with 120 REAL Tame Lore and Vet can Ride and Ethy while having a GD out of stables - and ill even bite with tram only but dont think its necessary as the 120 REAL will deal out most PvP tamers - So my solution is basically 120 REAL Tame/Vet/Lore make Ethies 0 ????

    And more stable slots are a given??
     
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    actually remeber your posts using that combo lol
     
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    they could do a quick fix about having a ride while using a greater drag......stop counting ethys as a pet slot devs....its kinda dumb to begin with , their not a pet at all....
     
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    Yes to more stable slots but no to more GD level pets and boosts in control slots. Tamers were given more power in the past and abused it. Today's tamers are no less power hungry than their predecessors. Some could be responsible with more power, but the limits are still necessary today. Too many tamers seem to aspire to being sampires with pets rather than simply enjoying all the range of pets we have for what they are. When just about every tamer runs around with the biggest GD they can find, you know they're likely to push any new limits to the max. That's a can of worms that the devs shouldn't touch without a lot of careful thought first. If they cave in to these sorts of ideas then taming is going to be a train wreck. I'm still betting that eventually they will give in, but I really hope for once Mesanna just says "no, you can't have that." at a reasonable level.

    Also, let's get rid of any notion that a tamer can have extra power in Tram and it won't cause trouble. It will. Tram is not a single player ruleset, your actions still affect others around you. There will always be tamers who push the limits and act in the most antisocial way possible, blame them for the limitations on taming but they aren't going to disappear from UO.

    Now, if we're going to fix up pets, there is plenty that we can do to smaller and lesser used pets without hitting GD level. Without them needing more control slots and becoming less versatile. I would agree that some sensible improvements could and should be made. But the only way I'd support a GD level WW is through some kind of costume or dye. I don't want my pets transformed into less versatile overpowered lumps, they don't need that much power. I'm sorry that some of you see GDs as some sort of power standard but they aren't. Let's be sensible for a change, not simply asking for the biggest baddest pets that we can imagine. There is more to taming than power.

    Wenchy
     
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    Been tamin since 98, tamers have been way up to mostly even to now slightly behind. I DO think taming finally does need a boost or a rework... but unlimited follower slots is absolutely NOT the answer. Seriously... 5 gd... that would be just stupid.

    What I think they need to do is change how pets work entirely, make the development of pets customizable, and give the ability "level up" ANY tamable to higher thresholds with corresponding controller slot bumps. That way you could train a drake up to 5 slots and along the way be able to influence its stats, resists, and damages, color, and skills... and be able to give it upgrades like troll slayer or hit chance increase.
    Or train up 2 plain old wolves to 2 (or 2 and 3) slots that would be as effective as a bake kitsune or more.
    Current higher level pets would just start off with an advantage, but any tamable could eventually end up a 5 slot beast.
    Would be fun, not over powerful, and bring tamers back into line with the other classes. AND would mean less dragons cluttering up the world with their huge bodies.

    And of course this would require MANY MORE STABLE SLOTS. That we should have anyway.
     
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    That was the arguement at the brith of the flying garg. Their "not an answer" was dismounting flight. Not a balance.

    Non of my tamers have a dragon of any sort and do just fine. Disco tamer with his 3 packs and few back ups in case of loss. An archer has also been a sort of powerhouse. Put a Cu between that archer and the target and true meaning of meatshield comes out.Willing to bet most tamers wanting a change still use an outdated mage miner combination. Needing a slot so a tamer can ride instead of walk? Character on foot can outrun a tamed monster, so what is the rush? Bitting off more then you can chew or needing to get to some deep hunting spot for and log pet retriever. Rarely does my frenzy tamer ever ride one. Can only go as fast as the other 4 anyway.

    The greatest problem with the GD is it is the top of the heep. Every Tom, **** and Harry has one in tow. Players like a little individuality. The GD grade tame needs to come in other forms and race based tames. A range of colors or don't the code mages not get the point of a crappy blaze Cu used over a max stat bland Cu? A spread of new GD grade pets that cover the other elemental damage. There is just a huge grey area between the Cu/Rune level pets and the GD. An untapped grey area for new pets or the REVAMP of old tames.

    As far as bringing back tames from the past? NO. They have the template of the dread warhorse. Tweek it and slap some new art on it. Short run tame that applies to some story line with a new name. The return of the black horse would be as wrong as a token sold at the store that makes any Cu blaze colored. I would rather see instead the armless/jawless zombie on a chain that is nothing more then a packhorse.
     
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    You are funny.

    It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

    You are pleading to the Devs for a massive pet buff because you are emotionally attached to what? - "my Angel and Crystal, Mnementh and my cu's"
    Notice I didnt say attached to 'who' because I dont think you can correctly label pixels as a 'who'

    The fact that everything you ask for is already obtainable on a garg with a GD is ofc not relevant why? Oh yeah, emotional attachment to fresh pixels each day at server up.

    But nice job just throwing the 'Trammel only' in there to help smooth things out lmao. You have no clue what the actual ramifications of something like this would be so you just naively omit Felucca to make it all work?

    G A L
     
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    The only thing in taming I would like to see changed is the difference between gargoyle and human removed for the GD. Either make flight mode impossible for Gargoyles who are using all 5 slots or allow ethereal mounts to be used without taking up a slot. I never knew why they did anyhow since you can't order them to fight anything and they can't be targeted by anything. ;)

    -PE
     
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    Lady Storm, why not post your suggestions in separate posts in the forum for tweaks and suggestions (it's a subforum in the Ask the Devs forum)? If you separate the ideas into separate posts, it would be easier for people to vote for the ones they like, while skipping the ones they don't like, and then it would be easier for the devs to see which specific suggestions have the most appeal for Stratics readers.

    If I'm understanding what you wrote, I think you'd be asking for the following:

    • Make White Wyrms similar to Greater Dragons in that they would have greater stats and greater skill maximums and would be a 5-control slot pet, but the type of damage they would do, their resists, and their spell-casting abilities would be consistent with current White Wyrms rather than current Greater Dragons.
    • Give Nightmares a boost of...what? You said make them more like Dreadmares. What does that mean?
    • Give Hiryus a boost of...what? You said make them more like Cu Sidhe. What does that mean? Self-healing ability? Cold damage? Another kind of special attack? What?
    • What you want to have happen to existing stabled "old-style" pets versus newly spawned and tamed "old-style" pets if those "old-style" pets get a buff. I imagine you want the existing pets you've had for years to be buffed, but how would that work for something like a White Wyrm if you want it to have some skills that go over GM? It surely wouldn't be fair for existing stabled pets to get the maximum in those skills that go over GM, but if they don't, will people scream bloody murder that they now have to ditch their old pets because they aren't "good enough" compared to fresh tames? So, what's your proposal for this situation? And how important is it to make sure an existing tamed White Wyrm's color remains the same as it always has been if it gets a buff? (I think the they come in varying shades of white, but I'm not certain about this. Maybe it's just a UO urban legend.) Also, how critical is it that a Nightmare's color and mane style stay the same if it gets a buff? And do Hiryus need to keep their existing color if they get a buff/new abilities?
    • While in Trammel, allow characters with taming skill to have more control slots. (You'd have to specify the criteria for this, I really don't know what you're thinking in terms of real vs. actual skill levels in taming, lore, and vet, age of account, paid upgrade, or some other criteria. What do you want it to be??)
    • Give more stable slots. Based on what criteria? Real or actual taming, lore, and vet skill? Age of account? Paid upgrade? What do you want it to be?
    • "Early year abilities." Not really sure what you mean here and whether or not it's covered in one of the above bullet points.
     
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    Someone needs to make my rotary dial telephone have free international calling! You know how long I've kept my sweet rotary. The love and glorious conversations me and my trusty rotary have been involved in, AT&T please help! ..wait wrong forums :/ sorry ladies and gents
     
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    Why isnt my 14 yr old double exceptional/blessed half apron as strong as a new crimson cincture!

    I think the devs need to drop everything and fix this.

    I have had this apron on my body or in my bank for 15 years and am extremely attached to it. It is a very large piece of UO history.

    Maybe we are going down a bad road here?
     
  30. Lady Storm

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    Tina didn't know of this sub forum sorry if I miss posted this.

    It's an idea from another to base slots on a players true skills... 120 vet tame lore.... but is it fair?

    I might not be able to put into print what I mean as forming it where it seems I am clear enough in idea seems not to come forth to others...

    All I want is to upgrade my white wyrms, and dragons I already own and give a tiny boost that my nightmare and other fighting pets can have a chance.
    Open up the stable so I don't need to make a production out of things getting my GD out of the bloody stable.

    We have lost a lot of tamers due to limits placed on them that made their style of game play obsolete... adaption for some is hard.

    Think of how many years we didn't have a follower limit... or how many we had in the stable...

    If one has 2 WW in tow to a hunt back then the total power is only that of 1 Greater dragon of today... but can you have that out now?
    No
    Why?

    I mean if a WW is only half the status quo of a Greater Dragon then why cant I have 2 out?
     
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    Lady Storm...two questions
    If they did buff old pets should they only be fresh tames or do you think that old pets should be buffed
    Second question, if the buff is only for fresh tames do you still want the buff?
     
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    I have an old ass WW that i tamed the very first week of T2A, Hades. I have craptons of memories of Hades surviving anything and everything i threw him at before pet bonding, from armies of Ophidians to the dreaded Phoenix. The old AI that WWs have is definately more intelligent than the AI of newer pets. Wouldn't mind seeing the option to turn WWs into "Ancient White Wyrms", that are more or less equivalent to the Frost Dragons from Lvl 7 T-Chests. Or at least give WWs back the ability to AoE with Chain Lightning, Meteor Swarm and Mass Curse, since they fixed AoE abilities hitting friendlies/guildies.
    Wouldn't mind seeing Reptalons being buffed too, like give them the ability to use some Necromancy spells, or give them the constant Life Leech effect that Vampire Bats have in order to bring them more on par with the Cu Sidhe's self healing. The Skree could definately use an update too, like giving them faster Mana Regeneration and higher melee damage.
     
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    Mook Chessy I would want it to be both, its the fair thing to do.
    I want to use my pets and some of my fav's are the older WW's and Dragons.

    If the Dev couldn't do it to old pets(which I doubt that to be true) fresh tames should get it as I said its fair to both sides...
    PlayerSkillFTW Crystal and her mate on my other tamer are the old ai as is my mnementh a nightmare tamed back in the beginning of uo time for the pet.
     
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    What does this mean? Any examples you can give? (I didn't start playing until late 2004, so I'm not sure what, exactly, you guys keep referring to when you say this.)
     
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    Tina the old AI refers to the intelligence of the pet. They can do things that the more recent tamed ones cant do. Back a few years ago there were tales of them gating and recalling their owners out of deep trouble. It's hard to explain but if you ever get to see one in action you will know the difference... old ai have phd in dragon while the new ones are in kindergarden in the sand box eating the sand...
     
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    I have used white wyrms to hunt with. I honestly can't remember them doing anything so amazingly different than a greater dragon or a regular dragon does to comment on it. That's why I asked for examples. Are you quite sure that the old ones had the ability to gate their owners out of trouble? That seems really far-fetched.
     
  37. Merus

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    Gating wasn't so much of a problem as when they would recall to a spot you didn't have a rune too...

    Far fetched indeed...
     
  38. Lady Storm

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    Well I have had some experience in both old ai and the newer lower ai WW's and I can attest there is a difference. I have been recalled out of a dungeon to another place by my nightmare.. and Crystal did gate once.... but that was the only time she and I ever got that deep in trouble.. remember she is very old and I take great care with her.
    she has lived long past her contemporaries... bonding is fairly new if you go by the UO time line.
    No she didn't get babied ether.. we hunted most of the worst that could be had.
    I want to be able to take her out and hunt the swoops again.... do some of the hellish t maps like I am use to with her... I dislike not having my best pets I have counted on for years cowed by a lazy GD...
     
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    Humans and Elves should have the ability to ride an ethy without it taking up a pet slot. This only makes sense since Gargoyles can fly and it not take up a pet slot. It is not listed in the racial abilities that gargoyles can fly without pet slot penalty.

    Hell, the only reason my main is a gargoyle is because of the fact I need to be able to move. I have two gargoyles. My main (Mystic, Mage, SW) and my new thrower. I would change my main back to a human or elf in a heartbeat if I could ride an ethy on him withoutpet slot penalty. Even on my imbuer I use a human at home forge. I do not think the slight bonus from being a gargoyle at the queen or public forge is worth looking like he does.
     
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    Anyone else recall having their old WW gate them somewhere?

    Anyone?
     
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    Please make bouras rideable too!
     
  42. yars

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    I remember at some point a dev saying unicorns had this ability but wasn't released due to bugs,I've never had a pet recall or gate on it's own
     
  43. MalagAste

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    Unicorns always healed/cured I thought it was Kirins that gated their masters to safety.
     
  44. Barry Gibb

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    I have been around a very long time (birth of T2A). I do not recall ever hearing, seeing, or experiencing anything of the sort.

    Edit:This goes for any tameable pet.

    Stayin Alive,

    BG
     
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    - "I have been recalled out of a dungeon to another place by my nightmare.. and Crystal did gate once"

    Anyone?

    Anyone else ever have a WW gate them somewhere?

    No offense but when it comes to Taming how can you take anything she says seriously?

    Am I the only one noticing this weird Cleopatra-like pet fetish?
     
  46. Lady Storm

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    Goldberg
    I said she opened a gate and I was not the only one who saw her do it, my friend Skull Crusher and son who was on the main computer next to me saw it.
    It only happened one time and there was no other in the area and I looked on the journal it was Crystal.
    I called a GM and was confirmed that "some" can cast due to the resent patch at the time.
    My nightmare recalled us out to the last place I had recalled in there from.
    It was seen by my shard hubby Provo who yelled at me asking why the hadies I left him behind... lets just say he was mad as a wet hen about it.
    Odd that a man behind the character can make you feel so small and in the wrong when you didn't do it....
    Suffice it to say I don't take that from anyone in the game any more...
    It was questioned to the GM's about both and the same answer was returned to me... their old AI and that patch had done the trick... as I said it was once for both... after that we got a patch and they never have but I did talk to a friend who was a GM at the time and she told me it was still a possibility they still could do it.

    Now if you have something to say about my taming there mister come talk to my little friend.... I am quite sure Angel or Crystal or even mnementh will be happy to take care of your troubles. In one bite.... now Ruby on the other hand might need two bites... I swear that GD is dumb as a brick...

    Oh and explain your meaning of "Cleopatra" in regards to taming......
     
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    Congrats on the great memory and crystal clear details of a supposed UO event that happened years ago. I am glad that your friends and family were all there to witness such a momentous occasion.

    But pretty sure it was obvious that I am looking for anyone else that has ever played the game to state that they have also had a WW gate them somewhere :)
     
  48. Lady Michelle

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    I never had one open a gate, but I did have one tell me to kill my own stuff recall out leaving me sitting here with my mouth wide open thinking WTF!!!! I don't really care what she says is the truth or not? Its a game. Geez !!!!!! Plus I like her stories.
     
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    One tends to remember such things when they are shocking like that... I never expected ether to do that. As for a memory... you have heard of photographic memory...?

    It also helps that I have a log that records UO and you can save it to archive.
     
  50. kaio

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    Ever since factions died, iv'e missed my faction war-horse.
    Therefore i would like to see Greater rideable llamas, And Greater ostards. they should have 200hp
    Thise pets should not be made bondable.
    Would also love to see, greaer drakes, WW's etc etc.