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Runebook charges.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by JoO, Jun 11, 2010.

  1. JoO

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    Can we PLEASEEEE get the number of charges possible for a runebook greatly increased. In this age of LRC and tithing points a max of 20 charges on a runebook seems silly. I would like to be able to drop a couple hundred recall scrolls on my book and not have to worry about it for a day or two. As it is on the character I play the most I have to go by house an annoying amount to recharge my runebook, usually several times a night.

    I don't mind making the scrolls or anything like that I just want a bigger capacity. I wouldn't even care if I had to make all new runebooks or buy some powder to fortify my current books.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Yen Sid

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    /Signed

    200 Charges sound good. Even 1000 would be fine with me. The house tele pads get 1000 charges, why not rune books?
     
  3. Derium of ls

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    I'll come on board with this. Because like you said, if we can get around ever using regs, might as well be smart enough to figure out how to expand out tomes right? Of course it runebooks no longer used recalls... that's something I'd frown on.
     
  4. Dubar

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    good idea :thumbup1:
     
  5. Phaen Grey

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    This would be really helpful!
     
  6. gortman

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    Another vote for this idea!
     
  7. Jesara

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    Yet another vote!
    Perhaps it could be some enhancement that scribes can do to existing runebooks.
     
  8. Nine Dark Moons

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  9. DHMagicMan_1

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    I'd like to see this implemented. The easiest way if they can change current books would be to set max to 10x current max (or 50x current max).

    Would be really good not to have to worry about it for a while. Just charge them up and fly.
     
  10. canary

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    I like this, either which way to doesn't hurt the scribe profession, they'd still be selling their scrolls.
     
  11. Schuyler Bain

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    /sign

    great suggestions!
     
  12. RaDian FlGith

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    True, and potentially in larger initial quantities...

    Definitely wouldn't hurt anyone... /signed too.

    In fact, let's make it a boon for the profession by making it possible to update existing books with a "scroll page" or something that inscriptionists craft and which attach to the books, increasing the total number of charges to a specific amount.
     
  13. Lord Frodo

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    Why on earth should 60-75+ skill points be circumvented by a runebook with massive charges? Not to mention it completely eliminates the need for LRC suit.

    If you want to recall so much, then get magery and an LRC suit.
     
  15. Sevin0oo0

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    /signed
    I'd like to see them hold more runes too, with at least as many pages as a spell book has
     
  16. Lord Chaos

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    Now that would be a great change and wouldn't unbalance anything, but runebooks holding more charges would.
     
  17. Black Sun

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    More charges would not be an imbalance issue. It would just make things more convenient for everyone. I like the idea.
     
  18. Lord Chaos

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    As earlier explained, yes it would be. You completely replace Magery+LRC need when needing it for recall (as would normally be the only reason to have 80 or below magery for).

    So to have a book conveniently replace 60-80 in skill + 5+ mods on a suit, is highly unbalancing.

    Right now Runbooks are balanced because they can't hold so many charges and as such are harder to use as recall alternative.
     
  19. RaDian FlGith

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    Funny how I knew the nature of your response the moment I saw your name attached to the thread.

    First... the skill points are ALREADY being circumvented. They made it that way so everyone could recall without needing magery to do so. It was purposeful circumvention for the ease of travel. It was done on purpose.

    Of course, you wouldn't be you if you weren't posting like you do.
     
  20. Black Sun

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    Am I reading this right? Because it seems ludicrous to me.

    So having to drop a stack of scrolls on a book 5 times per day vs. once is considered balancing? No, sorry, Your argument holds no weight. This is a change that would hurt nobody. Nobody is gaining an unfair advantage by using a runebook, no matter how many charges it has. That's what an unbalance issue is, when one particular group is getting a benefit because of a game mechanic's specific effect on that class of character.

    Having a runebook with 1000 charges is no different than water pitchers filled with magic waves (or the ones water ellies will have a chance of creating when a pitcher is thrown at them). It doesn't hurt anyone, and doesn't cause a single imbalance in the game.

    I hope a dev team member sees this post and passes it on to their higher ups. Great idea, the players would love you for implementing it. :thumbup1:
     
  21. Lord Chaos

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    Right and we should have magery books that have 10.000 charges of every spell too.

    You're the one who is ludicrous here, the runebooks are balanced because they don't have many charges and takes time to restock, vs. having magery and LRC suit. Sure you can carry around lots of recall scrolls, but they weigh and get lost on death.

    And its not 5 times a day, 1000 charges vs. 20 charges is 50 times, and thats why current runebooks are balanced, quit being lazy and looking for "magic waves".

    If you want to recall around so much, here's a hint...get magery

    Its amazing that UHall posters only want the most ultra-lazy solutions, yet oppose solutions for real issues that takes up real time, up to hours and cost item loss. But hey, keep riding for "magic wave" solutions for one click ease.
     
  22. Derium of ls

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    lazy is LRC suits...

    but anyways, to stay on point and not cause a troll post. As I said, as long as it still requires scrolls while being used, I personally see no problems with this.
    Hell, I'd go as far as allowing runebooks to bind to a chest at your house with scrolls in it, and it depletes those as you recall around... okay okay, I'm pushing it I know ;)
     
  23. Fink

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    I like it.

    Raising the maximum number of charges per runebook, existing or new, would be ideal. I think they did it once before, actually. 20 wasn't always the maximum.

    This would preserve old runebooks without the need to throw away ones with legacy names, hues, or maker's marks. If you want to make it a new scribe thing, have a craftable upgrade book binder. In fact, most people don't need 100+ charge books or whatever, so the binder could be an add-on that would boost newer books too. Have the crafted books remain 20-charge until a binder is applied.

    Arcane clothing could use a similar boost, but of course cost correspondingly more gems. A stack of 5 gems could give you 5 times the charges you'd normally get, still dependent on your Tailoring skill. Each slot arcane clothing occupies is now, since its inception, a useful equipment slot so there is trade-off in using it. I don't think it would be terribly unbalancing.
     
  24. Apetul

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    I like it too
     
  25. Gelf

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    hmm while i don't see adding more charges runebooks as unbalancing. i do see being able to port around, without having to bother with constantly recharging your runebook, as a perk for having actual magery skill.

    However if they gave mages a different perk, maybe making a second kind of runebook(sort of like the one mentioned above) that holds 64 runes, but has no charges, therefore requiring actual mage/chiv skill to use. in that case i'd be all for it
     
  26. AzSel

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    Yes please!
     
  27. WarUltima

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    A: *Putting in 500 recall scrolls into his runebook*
    A: *Casting Recall off the book and recalled away*

    B: *Look at A recalling away*
    B: *Drop over and died and got put in stat*
    B: *Ooo OOoO oOooOOOoO* (translation: WTF nerf runebooks)

    Definitely unbalanced... runebooks should stay at 20-charge max.
     
  28. Thunderz

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    /Agree

    More charges and hold more runes.


    Thunderz
     
  29. GarthGrey

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    I like it, and say it's long over due. And to LC, how's it feel to be the only one holding that opinion...again?
     
  30. Lord Chaos

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    I feel fine, you know what they say about masses of sheep.
     
  31. Derium of ls

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    actually no... I don't know anyone who likes to sit around and talk about Sheep =(

    kidding kidding! I know plenty of people...
     
  32. JoO

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    To call a higher scroll charge capacity imbalanced is so silly it's almost a troll. It's in the same vein as potions stacking and an integrated bandage self macro. But I'm sure you would rather click the stack of bandages in your pack and target yourself manually, maybe right after shooing those pesky kids off your lawn.

    This change would do one thing and one thing only. Make another needlessly tedious aspect of uo less tedious without comprimising its original intent.
     
  33. gunneroforgin

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    As one of the only sellers of recalls on Origin I will say this only once. * whispers* you don't even need scrolls in your rune book. Just go the the page with the place you want to go on it and click the mode of travel you have. Be it gate or recall or SJ. Now that said. I find that having recalls in my runebook is more conveinent than having to turn pages in the book.
     
  34. Derium of ls

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    I only wear a kilt and a robe so I hate trying to worry if I'll run out of reggies though. So that option doesn't work for me ;)

    plus I'm a 7x mule, so can't fit chiv in there.
     
  35. Lord Chaos

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    Uhm no, lol.

    Runebooks gives a specific advantage over real skill (which you need plenty of + reagents), potions are balanced in other ways and bandages are part of the healing skill.

    Runebooks are balanced because you can't just replace recalling with magery/chivalry completely and easily.

    To eliminate the final obstacle from runebooks and just make 60-80 skill points + reagents obsolete is silly.

    I am all for increasing runebooks sizes though.
     
  36. WarUltima

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    Other than potions cant be insured (like recall scrolls dropped into a runebook) I dont see your point.

    Greater Cure Potion. Instant cast, zero mana cost, 100% chance to cure most of poison, usable on the run. Cheap to buy super ultra effective.

    Cure Spell: 0.75s cast if you have 2FC (2FC costs 280 intensity), 6 mana to cast, good chance to cure up to 3rd level. Moderate chance to cure Deadly Poison, Low chance to cure Lethal, a failure against higher level poison is extremely common, failure in curing will still consume mana, and also cost regents if you do not have 100LRC (500% worth of intensity).

    Yeaaaa....
     
  37. Lord Chaos

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    Potions can't be insured (big thing)
    Potions require a free hand or a mod (big thing)

    They're balanced.
     
  38. cdavbar

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    Has anyone ever told you they dont like you replying to there posts? You are alwyas negative, and you always seem to be right, I vote yes on extra charges!

    Discussion over I have spoken, Chaos can now leave the thread.
     
  39. Lord Chaos

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    Its a free forum, if you don't like me replying go to another forum.

    I am definetly not always negative, I am often positive, but negative subjects such as these require more attention than positive ones.

    If you cannot see the unbalancing in completely replacing a whole skill with a book with near infinite charges, then its definitely not me there's something wrong with.
     
  40. ingsmsico

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    I see no problem with a runebook having more charges. although it does not affect me, I can see how annoying it would be to have to recharge a book all the time if you are recalling a lot. maybe they could implement it in a fun way like they did with the water pitcher where you have to throw it at a water ele. keyword there is fun though, no goldsink rider please.

    Lord Chaos, I fail to see why you are against this. the only thing this will change is the interval at which a person has to recharge their book, which does not affect you or anyone else. heck I would say make it so everyone can recall, but there seems to be at least a small market for recall scrolls that should be preserved. so what's the difference if someone buys 1000 scrolls of a scribe and puts them on their book all at once or if they put them in a chest and they have to recharge the book 50 times? how does that affect you Chaos seriously?
     
  41. EricVT

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    How is it replacing an entire skill?

    As it is, when you are close to running out of charges you head home and drop another pile of scrolls on your runebooks, takes all of maybe 30 seconds. Do it several times a day and you might be looking at a few minutes of time.

    All people want is to get rid of that minor inconvenience of having to hit home so often for more scrolls. Adding more charges to books wouldn't suddenly cause people to drop the magery/chiv skill or any other skill...all it would do is save everyone a little time. It changes nothing else.
     
  42. Lord Chaos

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    I find you guys hilarious, there have been numerous suggestions, all shot down regardless of whether they affect you or not.

    Surgeries is particularly hilarious, he's been moaning and whining for ages about being against the game having more easy buttons and here he is, being in favor of a big easy button.

    The very fact that its inconvenient balances runebooks against having to have magery/chivalry to be able to recall. For me personally this would help my template a lot, as I could drop magery completely on many chars, but its sad that things have to become so easy that runebooks replaces the need for the recall spell and as such magery.

    If people want infinite recalls, get magery and an LRC suit.

    I am not adamantly against this, I am just endlessly amused by the rampant hypocrisy and small mindedness being displayed by the community here.
     
  43. Thav12

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    Are you saying that if you have 100 scrolls in your backpack it will use them if you click on the recall button on a specific page. Not able to get in the game now to check, but I am sceptical. Otherwise I do not get your addition to this thread at all.

    Yes to allowing to add 200+ scrolls to runebooks.
     
  44. ingsmsico

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    then why bother?

    this change would affect nothing, just remove an annoying part of the game.

    don't forget this game is supposed to be fun.
     
  45. Tanivar

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    Talk about having one very well fed Troll in this thread <laugh> :)

    I like the idea of added charges for runebooks. 20 run out to fast.

    And since the Troll is likely to chime back in, I'll say this, my crew are all currently Spellslingers, my only use of runebook charges is to do a Snagglepuss when my character is out of mana and about to be dirtnapped. A fully charged runebook lasts for years. :)