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Sampire nerfed again

Discussion in 'UHall' started by luners, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. luners

    luners Guest

    Sampire will be nerfed because of PvP balancing again.
    Nerf of swing speed, nerf of mana leech and life leech, nerf of evasion, the limit of Vampiric Embrace and next nerf of using heal potion.
    How many times will devs nerf Sampire until devs are satisfied?

    And I'm so tired of EA fanbois who appreciate these nerfs of Sampire.

    It is about to take one year since I escaped to EverQuestII because I was so tired of many nerfs of Sampire.
    Why does PvP affect PvM? PvP should not affect PvM, imo.
    Make non-PvP server.

    I heard this another nerf of Sampire. So I will never return to UO.

    Goodbye, EA fanbois!
     
  2. siyeng0

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    You're leaving because of changes to a single template? Surely it would be better to stay and possibly try other templates until you find one that hasn't been nerfed; sampire is the most widely used, I know, because it is the easiest to get ahead with, but it's not the only template out there.
     
  3. Blesh

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    Why? So he can fall in love with another template, just so people can p*ss and moan and get that nerfed too?

    *points to signature*
     
  4. Farsight

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    Um... bye.
     
  5. Maximus Neximus

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    See you in Darkfall!
     
  6. Wilde1

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    can I have ur stuff?
     
  7. I don't see how this is a nerf of Sampires at all. I have never used potions on mine. You might have said a nerf of all templates that use potions, but it has absolutely nothing to do specifically with Sampires.
     
  8. siyeng0

    siyeng0 Guest

    For a moment, I honestly thought the signature you meant was "Less QQ, more pew-pew."

    It was an incredibly confusing few seconds.
     
  9. DanTheMan19

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    Or maybe if they learn what they are doing and balance stuff BEFORE the add it into the game. I mean lets take Greater dragons for example, which Dev thought 70 damage fireballs would not require a nerf in the future.

    do they even play uo? lol
     
  10. Blesh

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    LOL!
     
  11. Isn't that the WHOLE point of putting it on the TC BEFORE putting in into a publish? At least try it out before complaining about it. Then if you have specific comments please make them... complaining without actually trying out the changes sounds just like a bunch of spoiled sniveling little brats.
     
  12. Wenchkin

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    I'm sorry to break this to you, but EA didn't miss you enough to change the sammy as per your requirements. So EQ are going to have to put up with you for a little longer.

    I also think that if you're here complaining when you don't actually have an active account, it will only be worse if you actually login to UO. So please don't. We're a bit short of money to buy in the necessary violins for that sort of usage, so here's a pretend one. Best we could do at such short notice...

    :violin:

    Wenchy
     
  13. Fink

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    I couldn't help but notice your signature, too. I'm still confused about the "two-faced arse" bit. :confused:


    Anyway, yes, to the OP: Try testing the changes and sending in feedback via the proper channels. Don't simply say "it sucks". Explain why in a calm and rational manner. Do this before it hits production shards and you might have some influence over it. Throwing up your hands and leaving doesn't really help anyone.
     
  14. Blesh

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    Its a kirby, uyou don't remeber kirby!?

    (>T_T)> you made him cry

    (>-_-)> now he hangs his head in shame for you

    (>^-^)> now he's over it and happy again, becuase he's kirby.
     
  15. Fink

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    Hah, not yours! siyeng0's fine print.. :hahaha:
     
  16. Heal potions and how they work/will work have nothing to do with Sampires.


    Seriously, if you can't survive on your Sampire without heal pots, then you've got something wrong with either your template or your gear.
     
  17. MalagAste

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    If your whole UO experience is based off of rinse and repeat gameplay then I almost feel for you....... wait nope I don't.......

    Get a life..... live a little.....
     
  18. QFT
     
  19. the 4th man

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    You "quitters" need to grow up, it's just a game......
     
  20. Dragkiris

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    This new balance is geared toward dexxers spamming conc blow and disarm over and over in pvp. It needs to be addressed. I wasnt aware that sampires used conc blow or that conc blow was even viable in pvm.
     
  21. Uvtha

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    aalll against you... they're all against you.
     
  22. Ender

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    Vamp fails spectacularly compared to wraith now anyway, especially since you need 99 necro for one skill.
     
  23. Harlequin

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    Erm, can someone enlighten me what that actually means?
     
  24. Blesh

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    LOL = Laugh out loud.
     
  25. Viper09

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    Ugh, you do realize that this is only in the TESTING stage, right?
    It hasn't even been released on production shards. So for all you know, it might not even hinder your play-style at all!
    My god, how sad is it if you just read the changes when they are in TESTING stage, not final stage, but TESTING, and decide to whine and quit over it. They could even be tossed out before publish 58 goes live.

    You didn't really think that an online game would go on forever without changes did you? There's a reason online games have a quote that reads: "Game may change during online play."

    But hey, if you are going to quite, go right ahead. I certainly wont miss people with such a bitterly presumptuous attitude.
     
  26. Harlequin

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    Whoops, I meant what does "Less QQ, more pew pew" mean?

    Sorry for not being specific heh
     
  27. In Flames

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    QQ = Crying eyes.

    Pew Pew = Shooting.
     
  28. luners

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    What I wanted to say is not that I would quit, but that Sampire would be nerfed again and I'm so tired of it.
    I actually quited UO a year ago because I'm too tired of nerfs of Sampire because of balancing PvP.
    And I escaped to EverQuestII, which is a PvM game mainly.

    I hate PvP.
    And I hate EA fanboism which likes PvP and "lifed-in feel of UO"(like items should break, and so on).
    Current devs have focused on PvP and "lifed-in feel" since Kingdom Reborn launched.

    Sampire also uses potions except for cure potion(because he/she is a vampire and can't use cure potion).
    Stamina potion, heal potion, strength potion, dex potion and even invisility potion and confusion potion.
    Sampire(and necro paladin) was born in Japanese shards.
    Cutting edge of Sampire has existed in Japanese shards.
    Japanese Sampires use all things that he needs to survive.
    Potions, apples and so on.
    As an added bonus, Japanese players are populated more than 50% of all UO players.
    Whether you want to believe or not, this is a fact.

    I was so tired of nerfs of Sampire.
    Nerf of swing speed, nerf of mana leech and life leech, nerf of evasion, the limit of Vampiric Embrace and so on.
    And next nerf is nerf of heal potion.
    Therefore, it's not hard to anticipate that Sampire will be nerfed further.
    Whether or not nerf of heal potion will not actually affect Sampire.
    Anyway, I'm too tired of nerfs of Sampire.
    Sampire doesn't have previous strength anymore.
    I guess that Sampire has only half the previous strength because of a lot of nerfs.
    Here again, I'm too tired of nerfs of Sampire.
    It's all that I want to say.
     
  29. Blesh

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    less QQ more pew pew means:


    excuse me sir, but pls stop your crying, complaining and b*tching and play the game.
     
  30. Viper09

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    Sooo, you wont even know that it truly is nerfing Sampires since you wont be able to test it...

    Fascinating, just fascinating.
     
  31. luners

    luners Guest

    The players other than me will test it.
    And I can hear their feedbacks.

    Further, the problem isn't in a nerf of heal potion.
    It's in the fact that Sampire has been nerfed again and again.
    I have been too tired of these nerfs of Sampire.
     
  32. Sampires aren't being nerfed, potions are. Potions & Sampires have very, VERY little to do with each other.
     
  33. luners

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    Japanese Sampires use potions very frequently.
    Didn't you read my previous post?

    American Sampires may not use potions.
    But JAPANESE SAMPIRES USE POTIONS though you may not be able to understand how japenese sampires use potions.

    STR potion and DEX potion(and even heal potion) are very useful when you fight Dread Horn.
     
  34. I understand perfectly.


    I also understand that it's not necessary. It might make things a little easier when you get cursed, but you can still do the same things without potions, or even within the new contraints without too much trouble.


    Sampires themselves are NOT being nerfed. Not one single thing is changing regarding the template, the armor, or the weapons.

    What is changing is potions, which in and of themselves, have nothing to do with Sampires. Using them is a player choice, not a requirement for the template.
     
  35. luners

    luners Guest

    So, do you want to say like the following?

    "Swing speed is not necessary. So a nerf of swing speed has nothing to do with Sampires.
    Mana leech and life leech are not necessary. So a nerf of mana leech and life leech has nothing to do with Sampires.
    Evasion is not necessary. So a nerf of evasion has nothing to do with Sampires.
    Vampiric Embrace is not necessary. So a nerf of Vampiric Embrace has nothing to do with Sampires."

    I understand that a nerf of heal potions targets to Sampires directly.
    But this nerf will affect Sampires in a negative way to a greater or lesser.
    Nerfs of swing speed, mana leech, life leech, evasion may not have targeted to Sampires directly.
    But how much these nerfs affected Sampires!
    It is your business that you underestimate potions.
    But potions are very important for Japanese Sampires though you may not understand.

    I'm so tired of nerfs of Sampire.
    This game is not Ultima Online, but Ultima Nerf.
     
  36. It certainly affects them, but isn't directed at them. The swing speed changes were directed at ALL weapons, which included both melee AND archery weapons. It had nothing to do with what Sampires were doing with them, and certainly nothing to do with the Sampire template.


    As this change affected every type of meleer and archer, no, it had nothing to do with Sampires specifically. It affected them, but wasn't aimed at them directly, but at combat in general.


    Evasion was changed to fix the Evasion spamming players, which covered just about every single class in the game. Mages even had Bushido and were spamming it back to back to keep from getting hit. This was a change to Bushido, not Sampires.


    All of those are all equipment or skill nerfs. None of them were directed at Sampires, but instead affected every class that uses the specific property or skill.


    I don't underestimate anything. I think it's more that you're dependent on them than anything else.


    I understand that I can do anything they can, and I can do it WITHOUT potions. As I've already said, if you have to use potions in order to play your Sampire, then there's something wrong with your gear or your template. Possibly your tactics as well.



    There's been one nerf. That's it, just one nerf that was targeted specifically at Sampires, and that was the change that required the skill to maintain Vamp form.


    I'll say it one more time, if you can't play a Sampire character without having to spam pot chugging, then you're doing something wrong either with gear, template, or tactics.
     
  37. luners

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    I understand that these nerfs DIDN'T aimed at Sampire directly.
    But Sampires were ALSO affected badly by these nerfs.
    Why can't you understand what I want to say?

    And it may be easy when you fight Chief Paroxysmus or Dread Horn without potions.
    But when you solo Putrefier or Shimmering Effusion or Paragon of Greater Dragon, potions will be needed.
    If you can solo Shimmering Effusion or Paragon of Greater Dragon without potions, I'll respect you.
     
  38. BEING nerfed and being affected by one are 2 completely different things. In this particular case, it affects every combat class since potions are usable by everyone regardless of what template they have. It's not as the title of this thread says "Sampire Nerfed Again", but more "Potions Are Being Balanced For Combat". Potions are not gear or template, but an outside buff system that has nothing to do with the mechanics of playing a Sampire.

    It's more of a crutch than anything else in PvM if you ask me.
     
  39. luners

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    Don't take the word out of context.
    "Being affected badly" has become "being nerfed" as a result.
    That is, "being affected badly" resulted nerfs of Sampire.
    I can't understand why you can't understand this.

    And you seems not to solo Paragon of Greater Dragon without potions.
    Or even with potions?
     
  40. Sampires weren't nerfed. There are plenty of people that play them and do the same things you do without potions. It was YOU that was nerfed, not Sampires in general.



    Assume much? There are only 2 paragons in this game I haven't solo'd. One is the Ancient Lich and the other is the Ancient Wyrm. Everything else I have, and that does include Greater Dragons, and without potions no less.
     
  41. RichDC

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    Wow more whining!!!

    I have a temp that will be worse affected than any other temp out there...

    An ALCHEMY THIEF!!!

    My ONLY healing is 80% EP and 18HPR but, am i moaning???

    NO because i havent even tested the new system, and by reading from other people who have...it doesnt even sound that bad!!!

    ADAPT!! Its not like you lose all healing, most good sampires have enough Life Leech and are doing enough damage to take down almost everything without pots (save cures and from the sounds of it they arent being afected that badly!and if there is now a timer...Big deal use your 3s heals to cure and Leech more!)
     
  42. luners

    luners Guest

    OKOK, you are so strong, maybe.
    And maybe American Sampires will not be nerfed.
    But Japanese Sampires which use potions will be nerfed with the change of heal potions.

    And I can't understand how you solo PARAGON OF GREATER DRAGON when your stamina decreases very much by "melee, breath, and magic" combo.
    Don't you use greater stamina potion?
    How does your stamina reflesh?
    Just curious.
     
  43. CatLord

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    *waves*
     
  44. RichDC

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    Have you not heard of DIVINE FURY???

    How about simple food mixed with pepta satiety cure???
     
  45. luners

    luners Guest

    Divine Fury?
    ROFL.
    Do you give up DCI and the time to cast Feint and so on to reflesh stamina?
    Very low level.
     
  46. Then maybe you should try to figure out how "we're" managing without potions instead of crying "nerf" and "I'm gonna quit" and "I'm tired of this".


    A combination of Evasion, Divine Fury, and a Mana Leech/Stamina Leech Dragon Slayer weapon. As I've said twice now, gear, template, or tactics. It sounds to me like you need to work on at least 2 of those.
     
  47. RichDC

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    its not exactly hard to get 60dci to counteract that 15% you lose...can easily be done!...my thief has it.
     
  48. luners

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    When Sampire uses Divine Fury, the Sampire is low level.
    ROFL.
     
  49. If you can't manage ~13 seconds or less of having 10 less DCI, then you need to take a good hard look at your setup. Divine Fury is a last resort, not the first.
     
  50. Hunters' Moon

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    Luners,if you want to make a template that is un-nerfable,make a dismount tamer. The Devs seem to drool over the tamer template,and will never bring a nerf bat anywhere near that skill set.