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Sarah the trader a few problems I see here. (Spoiler)

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lore Master, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. Lore Master

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    I am not here to complain but I read that each red crystal is worth 2 points when a Skeleton Costume is only worth one point I feel they should both be 2 points. Asking us for 130 points for all 26 costumes is a bit steep though I realize it is not intended for every single player to have every mask or the mask lose there rarity and value.

    As it stands from what I read the Halloween mask and Red Crystals that we turn in point value is as follows.
    1. Skeleton Costume 1 point.
    2. Red Crystals 2 points.
    3. Gazor Costume 2 points.
    4. Bloodworm Costume 3 points.
    5. Dream Wraith Costume 4 points. Not many players will want to trade this costume in.
    6. Shadow Wyrm Costume 5 points. Not many players will want to trade this costume in.
    Here is what I feel the point value of these turn items should be.
    1. Red crystal 2 points.
    2. Skeleton Costume 2 points.
    3. Gazor costume 3 points.
    4. Bloodworm costume 4 points.
    5. Dream wraith costume 5 points.
    6. Shadow Wyrm Costume 6 points.
    This way more players would have a chance for more mask making more players happy after all it's Christmas time. Merry Christmas everyone and for those that don't celebrate Christmas Happy Hoilidays.
     
  2. Pawain

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    What are the points for?

    How many points do I need to get a new costume?
     
  3. Smokin

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    Why is there not an alternative way to get points.
     
  4. Sweeney

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    Having red crystals worth more than 1 point each is a big problem, the only one in my opinion. Rewarding people for holding onto them after explicitly stating that they needed to be turned in before the event ended is a slap in the face to those who actually read the FoF (read in the past tense mind you).
     
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  6. MalagAste

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    Personally I think having those red Crystals worth more points than a skele costume stinks.... I mean... Here I took the time to gather how many red crystals and turn them in just so I can lose points? Hell if I had known that the red crystals were going to be worth more points maybe I would have saved more red crystals ..... really stinks since they "said" that we needed to turn those red ones in or missout... kinda irritating if you ask me.

    I very much like your suggestion of points.
     
  7. Sweeney

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    Personally I say red crystals should only be worth 1/2 of a point. You snooze, you lose.
     
  8. Yen Sid

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    Grr! I only have 113 points, 117 if I trade in a spare Dream Wraith. This is with keeping 1 of each of the previous ones. We can't trade in Cats or Scarecrows or anything else?! I have 100 Cats! The only way I can get all the new ones is if I trade in all of my old ones, I wanted to keep one of each :(. Oh well thats life. I will find a way to get them all ;).
     
  9. make red crystals worth 1 point, skeleton worth 5 points, gazer 6 points, bloodworm, 8 points, dream wraith 10 points, and shadow wyrm 12 points.

    add +4 to the costume costs on the vendor. so a zombie is 5 points for instance, and an giant pixie is 12 points.
     
  10. MissEcho

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    I was trading in 5 red crystals for 1 costume. They advised us to TRADE IN THE RED CRYSTALS as they would be of no use after Halloween.

    If the above info is correct, then those of us who took the advice of the devs have been really ripped off. Especially if the point value on a skeleton costume is less than that of ONE red crystal. If anything a red cyrstal should be worth 5 times LESS than any costume.

    The ONLY reason I bothered to trade them in was due to the advice given in that FOF. I hope they 'fix' this before putting to all shards.
     
  11. olduofan

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    1. this needs to be adjusted

      THIS IS MORE IN ORDER

      YA I AGREE :thumbup1:
     
  12. Muu Bin

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    /Signed

    I would like to add something I read in another post which I think is a fantastic idea...

    Turn THOMAS the TOYMAKER back "on" so that he can receive red crystals and give out the original costumes as he did back during the event. And make SARAH available to ONLY receive the costume masks for trade in.

    To me, this would be the best all-around fix for what everyone, including myself, is getting so worked up over. I was one of the ones who saved a bunch of red crystals and specifically turned them in because of the information posted in a FoF. If this is impossible to do (and I don't know why it wouldn't be) then I would be all for making the crystals worth 1/5th of the skeleton costume and adjusting the rest of the points accordingly. :grouphug:
     
  13. red sky

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    I'm taking it that everyone in this thread decided not to save any crystals huh? LOL
     
  14. Sweeney

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    So why did you save crystals? Stupidity and ignorance pays off it seems (LOL). Ignore warnings and you will be rewarded.

    Chock it up to another instance of Trammel invading every bit of personal responsibility that UO originally meant.
     
  15. MalagAste

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    Trust me I'm overly annoyed at the whole thing if crystals remain 2 points.... that's just BS.... if they are going to be 2 points then skele costumes need to be worth more.
     
  16. Techthys

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    I don't see the advantage of making the new costumes cost more than one point each. I think a one-for-one trade of any of the old costumes for the new ones is the best solution. The Dream Wraith and Shadow Wyrm costumes, while much more valuable, were so rare that I think trading them in is unwise, since they can't be obtained anymore for ANY number of common costumes.

    I think the red crystals should be worth 1/5 of a costume, since that's what they were worth in the original event (except for each character's first costume, of course.) It doesn't seem fair to reward people who ignored the original deadline for the red crystals by making those red crystals more valuable now. Alternately, having Tomas the Toymaker accept crystals for costumes again seems like a fair solution.
     
  17. red sky

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    "You should trade all your red crystals for costumes as Tomas will no longer accept crystals once the Halloween event ends on November 15th."

    I believe the missus was implying that if you wanted to get any of the costumes from Tomas that you should turn your red crystals into him because he would not be taking them anymore? No where did it state that players must turn them because they will no longer have a use after that date. Oh, and I did turn "most" of my red crystals in. Just not all.

    And BTW, the point system they set up does make sense if everyone took the so called "warning" to full effect. How? It would seem they should be worth more because most players turned them in, correct?

    Also, I rarely post things pertaining to trammie stuff. I found this thread amusing so I thought I would try to get a fire started.
     
  18. Gelf

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    let me see i did this on 1 char the whole time
    i got
    15 skeletons
    12 gazers
    8 bloodworms
    3 dreamwraiths
    3 shadowyrms
    worth a total of 80 pts
    had i kept the crystals( a total of 201 red crystals)
    i would have had 402 turn in points
    well that is fine if i can turn my unwanted costumes back in to thomas for a refund of my 5 red crystals
     
  19. Sweeney

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    This is just a personal comment.. but wouldn't it have been better to save a new costume turn in for next Halloween? Seems a bit ridiculous.
     
  20. Thunderz

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    WOW... 201 crystals and you handed in 5 for 1 costume? so you got 40 costumes..?

    Why didnt you start 33 trial accounts and get 201 costumes?????
     
  21. MissEcho

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    I notice you 'selectively' edited that text from the FOF.

    The whole FOF stated
    It explicitly states that you should trade ALL your red crystals. It also explicitly states that the costumes may have a 'further' use. Where a 'use for' the crystals would have gone beyond the 15th as with the Yellow and Blue it was also clearly stated. Your selective edit above is just pathetic.

    I really have to laugh at the 'big man' fel player. From memory this event ran in fel as well as tram so why you need to try to act 'superior' in some way and turn this thread into a trammie bashing thing is beyond me. It is totally childish, and obviously stems from an inferiority complex.
     
  22. Heartseeker

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    I agree.

    To bad there is so many ppl crying sour grapes.
     
  23. Sweeney

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    You're right.. following directions isn't the right thing to do. After all EA/Mythic/BioWare will cater to the lowest common denominator.. people who can't read. I'm glad you saved you red crystals even though it was stated that they will have no purpose after the Halloween event.
     
  24. Kirthag

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    I followed the advice in the FOF - hoarding the blues (as I suspect they will be used to rebuild Magincia - PUHLEEZ!) and actually giving away the reds to people so they could get costumes.

    I'm not completely steamed about the crystal turn-in, but I agree the points are skewed in favor of those that did hoard the reds.. and thus promotes item hoarding (for how do we know any item in any event will not be useful in the future?!?!) which is not a good thing.

    Adjust the points of the red crystals please.
     
  25. Gelf

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    for the same reason i didnt use bags of sending in puzzle room to stockpile 3.0 sots
     
  26. red sky

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    http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2009/06/cat-talk-to-the-hand.jpg
     
  27. Viquire

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    Jiminy Christmas people you can change forms for free in hundreds of ways, or do I smell rabid merchants forming packs?

    Pick a couple you like and trade stuff in for em. What could be more simple?
     
  28. DarkVoid

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    I think the whole Halloween mask/sparklie thing should have been left on permanently. Those who actually wanted to collect sparklies for one of 3 types of colored crystals would just go collect sparklies until their packrat instinct exceeded their house's capacity to hold the items.

    It is actually quite fun running around in a monster form gathering sparklie things. What is not fun is seeing people *****, whine, moan, and complain over how the EA/Mythic team worked the point system to get greater mask rewards for the players who collected masks.

    Had I wanted to, I could easily have played UO for a far longer time than I actually did while the Halloween quest was on, and be collecting tons of masks and crystals, until my houses exploded with the things. But instead I just chose to get a Shadow Wyrm costume, and did so, after which I retired from Halloween collecting. Along the way I got a 140 luck robe from all those blue crystals, and still have plenty left. I also have some masks which I will probably turn in for some of the more interesting masks.

    Looking at the players in this thread, I see that they are once again making much ado over nothing. If the masks hadn't been as easy to get, or people had not collected as many as they did, people would probably want the Halloween quest extended so they could get their chance at a mask.

    People, whine, *****, moan, complain, whatever - just be sure to thank an EA/Mythic dev for even bringing you anything at all for Halloween. They could've made these masks deadly and insta-vanshing on equipping them, but they instead chose to make very collectible items out of them.

    Next time you meet or see a post from an EA/Mythic employee, be sure to thank them for bringing us all of the content they have so far. Complaining enlightens them as to what sort of person you really are, and most people complaining here should be reprimanded by Stratics moderators.
     
  29. RedDaTeef

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    I agree with Sweeney! Was bogus to say red crystal would hold no purpose after that event and then do a 180 on that. BOGUS!:sad2:
     
  30. red sky

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    Someone please highlight where it says the red crystals will have no purpose. I failed to find that in the FOF.
     
  31. Der Rock

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    no,points are good as they are,not every player should be able to get ALL costumes,because we buisiness manager want to make some million here and there :)
    if everyone has everything, things are worthless.
    we need more uber/rare/hard to get/high end items, uo got enough trash items in the last 2 years;)
     
  32. Bobar

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    The only part of this whole thread that interests me is the fact that after being advised that we SHOULD turn the red crystals in by a Senior member of EA, they then go on to reward those who either cant read or decided to ignore this suggestion. This STINKS.

    The points issue is immaterial whatever it will be, it will be the same for all of us. But 2 points for keeping red crystals against the 1 for a Skeleton Costume for people who followed the advice and traded FIVE crystals is self- evidently WRONG.
     
  33. MissEcho

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    Given they were answering this question:
    the things to note in the answer were there were THREE instructions issued for the THREE types of cyrstals.

    • You should trade all your red crystals ... hold on to your costumes (even duplicates) as they may be of interest to someone else
    • keep your gold crystals for as long as you wish
    • The blue crystals will be of use in the next story arc

    Seems clear to me or they would have said:

    • You should trade all your red crystals if you want the current costumes if not keep them as they may be of interest to someone else or used in the next story arc.

    You are just playing on semantics (badly I might add).

    Frankly I don't care what the points are for whatever they do next, nor do I care if I personally can 'collect' a set of each of whatever.

    I just dislike being told one thing, and then them doing something different. Did I want more than 2 of each skeleton, gazer, bloodworm etc costumes, NO. I would have kept the red crystals if not for the advice as given in the FOF. The only reason I bothered was so I could hand in costumes later if they introduced something new as implied. If they had a further use for the red crystals they would/should have stated a further use for them as it was quite clear in the FOF that the gold and blue had ongoing or 'further' use, whereas instructions for the red crystal had no such 'further use' implied and it basically instructed us to TRADE ALL.

    I think any intelligent person with a grasp of the English language would find it quite 'clear' as to implied intent and ongoing use of the crystals.

    It is up to the Devs if they wish to change their mind on whether or not red crystals will now have a further use for those who didn't hand them in, all good, do I care if you can hand them in ........ NO. The only thing is they should only be worth 1/5th of the value of a costume as in a lot of cases people handed in 5 crystals for 1 costume on the implied instruction in that FOF, that makes it equitable for those who read the FOF and those who didn't.

    I am afraid I just like things to be 'fair' and if game developers advertise or state something they should follow through with whatever it is or make sure if they change their minds it is equitable. In this case it is crystals/costumes but what the 'item' is is beside the point as is any 'value' or whatever of such item irrespective of how many I or anyone else has of any given thing.

    Perhaps your statement should be:

    Someone please highlight where it says the red crystals will have further purpose after the 15th of November. I failed to find that in the FOF.

    as that would be more accurate given that Tomas was the ONLY npc in game that accepted these items and it was obvious that he was being turned OFF and players were instructed to trade ALL their red crystals before this happened.
     
  34. Mike of Ameraust

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    RED crystals are worth diddly squat, we were told to dump em if you kept some tought luck. use them for deco.
    devs how can you do a turn around like this, just another cock up and turn around...... why you guys had to go and ruin a great event i dont know.
     
  35. BRILLIANT
    YES DO THAT.

    And please do not turn the whole damn event on. Let things die in peace.
     
  36. altarego

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    I agree, if you just turned on Thomas again and didn't allow Sarah to take red crystals, it would even the playing field for everyone.
     
  37. Warpig Inc

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    And that is why UO is like auto racing. The best car builder most likely drives like an Old Fart. We have a bunch of Code Mages that don't have a damn clue on what's what.

    The better race teams are the ones where the builder listens to the driver. But still know when to ignore the driver when they ask for a second cup holder or a dash DVD flatscreen. And in racing there are rules plp keep trying to bend and when caught are punnished.

    The desire to collect or make gold is lost in UO. Even ancient items like an IBD are in question.

    We had been told to burn up the reds and the blues would have a future use. Maybe just a missunderstanding. Red Crystals misspoken when they meant to say Blue. Besides the Haven Quest no quest NPC should reconize a new account.
     
  38. Or how about this.

    You turn in 5 red crystals on the chick and she gives you random points 1 to 5


    same thing.
     
  39. Adora

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    Wow, what a lot of whiners there are in this thread.
     
  40. I gotta pick one thing a quarter to whine about. Need to get my monies worth.
     
  41. slaveone

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    Actually whats really childish is grown men and women crying over some turn in on a video game. Seriously people grow the heck up. IT IS A GAME! Your not entitled to every item that ever comes out in it! If you chose to turn in all your red crystals that was YOUR CHOICE! No on MADE you do it. If a UO dev told everyone on stratics to delete your best character would you do that too? From the sound of it some of you actually would! And when you realized that was totally stupid it would be your OWN fault just like when you turned in all your red crystals. I turned in most of mine too but i kept about 10 just in case but i'm not here crying like a 5 year old who just got his candy taken away. Seriously people this whole thread is pathetic!
     
  42. slaveone

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    Life isn't fair hun and neither is UO. Get over it and yourself.....
     
  43. Assia Penryn

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    This. With the idea it takes 5 crystals to Tomas to get a costume.

    If not then the points should be adjusted. Those of us who listened to EA's directions are being punished.


    I love the new costumes. I hate the fact that if I had saved all the red crystals instead of dumping them for the extra costumes, I'd be able to get all the new ones. As it is I will have only a 1/3 of the points needed with the costumes. I don't mind not being able to get them all, but please don't put salt in the wound. We have to be able to to trust what you say, otherwise as players we'll be hoarding every darn thing, paranoid that it'll make a difference later on.
     
  44. altarego

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    I'm not sure this is necessarily a childish or unwarranted response. If we step back and look at why the response is so vehement, some things might pop into mind.

    1. The Halloween event marked a turnaround, both in the dev staff and in the mindset of the players regarding what a fun in-game event could be, if it's designed correctly. So, there is sentiment involved.

    2. There seems to be a bit of backlash against some retconning (or perhaps just miscommunication) on the part of the devs. We can whine all day about fights we know that we're gonna walk into (e.g. "Tyball's too tough!!!), but we seriously don't like the rug pulled out from under us. So there's an aspect of vulnerability at play.

    3. Thirdly, and I think most importantly, are the costumes themselves. In the past, we've been given santy hats, transformation gates, and other ways to role play during the event. But, now we've been given costumes we can take home and use and enjoy after the fact. Other than a few special items in the past, given to a select few, I can think of no other reward that comes even close the the usability of this item. It's value with roleplay is tremendous. I seriously doubt that if these costumes only worked during the Halloween events, we'd be complaining as much.
     
  45. slaveone

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    Really? Cause when i read your post i got the distinct impression that you in fact did mind....
     
  46. riohnyx

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    http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1473682&postcount=8

    Sakkarah said:
    I actually have a few red crystals left that I didn't turn in because I ran out of time, but I still think it's crap they're worth more than skeleton costumes.

    What's next? Those of us who horded the blue crystals (as opposed to the red ones) get shafted when the blue crystals become useful? How much do you wanna bet that they'll feel sorry for those who didn't waste space keeping them and allow blue crystals to be obtainable again.

    Personally, I think this 'save items for one event for a later one' is crap. It just ends up frustrating everyone. If you try to please the people who didn't get the memo about needing to save their crap, then you **** off those who DID. If you try to please those who listened in the first place, those who didn't will cry 'UNFAIR, I didn't KNOW!!!'

    Turn in events should not require you to horde items for an unspecified period of time.
     
  47. slaveone

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    I'm positive it's a childish response. You people aren't 5 year olds. You sound like little brats at christmas that didn't get ALL the expensive gifts they asked for. And instead of being happy for what you DID get they can't get over what they DIDN'T. That is pretty much the definition of being childish.
     
  48. Alvinho

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    If this is not live on shards it sould be a twist on what actually gets turned in. When it goes live the red crystals asked on test could very well be bleus on live shards

    This will stop folks from hoarding other items needed to complete this.

    I dont know if this is live on prodo shards yet, is it?
     
  49. Potgut

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    For Christ sakes, i'm I the only one who doesn't care about the whole red crystal thing? I mean, seriously.. It's not like each person has a stock pile of 100,000,000 red crystals and you're the only one who missed the boat, if anything, majority are in the same boat, with the exception of maybe a Joe or 2 per shard who saved at least 50 red crystals... the horror!

    ...infact, the value of points for red crystals being high, and the higher, is a good thing for us buyers and collectors because it will make the costumes more common and circulate more, thus cheaper. I mean... Jesus Christ!
     
  50. Nez

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    :mf_prop:Honestly, whatever. I'm just looking forward to the trade in :mf_prop: