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Sargon, be a human.

Discussion in 'UO Pacific' started by BloodRavenFL, Oct 13, 2009.

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  1. BloodRavenFL

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    Give back Al Capone his suit. He has nothing to do with FL Vs T and hes a new player.

    Taking a thief's suit who is brand new to the game is pretty ridiculous for anybody and it drives people away from UO when thats not what were trying to do here.

    I know you don't like me, I despise you. Hes an innocent bystander with nothing to do with this.

    Be a human, ill owe you a favor.

    Shadow dancer leggings
    Shroud of Condemned
    Jewlery
    Burglar's bandana.

    Its not even that expensive, but when your players tell my buddy to "quit the game" after you loot his suit. What kind of show is that of the quality of your guild?

    and im not saying that to be a prick, im saying that to be real, if FL stole a suit? Fine. They did. Be the bigger man, give a bystander his suit back for trying to have fun.
     
  2. your right, the items are useless. we dont need them. to be totally honeslty, if you hadent icqed me about it, we already planned on returning his **** after we were done fighting. however, upon discovering his asociation with FL, we decided not to.
    here is the facts. at this point its about principle. within the last 2 weeks ASHA, a member of YOUR guild, looted an entire suit from a |M|emeber. but he didnt do it the fair and square way. he conned an "old friend" who just came back to the game, into giving his armor up for repairs after fighting for a long time togeather in doom... so what does he do? as soon as he got the armor he started talking **** to his suposid "old friend" and kept every single piece of armor.
    you talk about driving people away from the game? this poor fella hasnt played since. you talk about "What kind of show is that of the quality of your guild?" look in the mirror. our guild gets a bad rap from people like you anyway. what makes you think we should care what you think about us?
    you say be the bigger man, then you tell me that "theres noway FL will return the over 50mill worth of items asha looted."
    why dont you guys try practicing what you preach? you people can say what you will about |M|. we are a guild of loyal, honest, giving people. just remember, your guild threw the first stone. its up to you to begin fixing the damage. we do not feel compelled to.
     
  3. LordTesla

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    What?
    OMG I would have been PISSED if I saw that... "Quit the game"... wtf, we need as many people as possible.. ESPECIALLY ones that go to Fel... If I ever get back into pvp fully, I LOVE having people to kill me/or kill sometimes... But if people are just assholes then there is not gonna be an Ultima Online cause you guys would have told everyone to "Quit the game"...

    I got news for you... there are over 5000 other online games to play, we are lucky there is even an Ultima Online to log onto.

    That dude is never gonna get the suit back Raven... If he does, I will BOW to M! But I don't see that happening.... And that's REALLY sad... And it's not just M... this instance it is M but it's other people and guilds as well.

    *Listens to Michael Jackson "Man in the mirror"*...

    "If you wanna make Ultima a better place, take a look at yourself and make that... CHANGE"!
     
  4. Istoli/Anubis

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    an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
     
  5. Rand Al

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    This thread is useless we all know m FL Supr thc do not return stuff and not to trust cage aka asha. Blood go buy your friend those items to help him out even i will help him out if i know the guy is not a tool. Its what i do to my friends when any of those guilds take there stuff i even help people i do not know to keep them fighting
     
  6. BloodRavenFL

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    And thats what I told him Anubis. I told him, directly, and Im paraphrasing here.

    "So eventually when one of your guys drops their suit and I pick it up or a guildmate does and you ask for it back you know whats going to be said? -You didnt give Capone's suit back, **** YOU."

    If you man the **** up, give it back, it makes US look like the scum for not following suit. If you simply keep a lame suit from a ****ing theif simply because your a spiteful prick?

    Then you've already lost the game and the reason we play it. TO HAVE FUN. Not to ruin the fun of others.

    I have nothing to do with what Asha did, his decisions are not mine, he does what he wants I can't tell him to do anything.
    How are you going to judge someone not even affiliated with FL simply because hes in contact with someone in the guild?

    Thats childish. Immature. Foolish. and overall not seeing the larger picture.


    Sargon, I WANT YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG. I REALLY REALLY DO. Give the **** back, lets move on with life and now I'll owe you a favor.
     
  7. ill give your friend a robe of the condemned and shadow leggings out of my personal collection.. thats just the kind of guy i am.. but im going to be honest. i know better then to think anybody in your guild would ever even consider giving anything back to any of my members. especially if it had any value. thats why i will not ask them to return his things.
    it makes me sick what asha did and the fact that you would come at me with this "driving people away from the game" bull****. have the kid icq me and let this be the last word said about it.
     
  8. Your friend is guilty by association Raven.. at least in Sargons eyes. Sargon even said so himself... "however, upon discovering his asociation with FL, we decided not to".. even though he goes on to explain his reasoning, its a pretty lame reason. He pulled the same thing on me last week, I'm guilty by association because I talk to Kyrite and other members of GOO! so Sargon refused to help me when I was searching the shard for a measly 120 blacksmith scroll. Pretty sad.
    No one in game can control what another player does. If your guildie took a M members suit, you or your friend shouldnt be held accountable, but there are some idiots in game who refuse to be adults about the situation and would rather make everyone elses life crap in game.

    A side note I have a few items on Pacific I could deal without, if his items arent returned.
     

  9. this is hysterical to me. primarily, that you would icq me asking for a 120 animal lore and a 120 blacksmithing. secondly, that you took such offense to my response. why should i help a member of a guild that fights with the GOOns! against |M|? if you want a scroll from my guild you can get it the same way everybody else does, off of the "Spawn Goods" vendor with the cheapest scrolls on pacific.
    btw, kyrite told hag about you crying to him about me not sharing with you :hahaha: saying i "went hysterical on you."
    with your permission ill post the icq history and we can see who other people think was really affected by our conversation. to be honest, i couldent care less. i dont even know you.
     
  10. lol you're right I was looking for a 120 lore and blacksmith. I dont consider you a friend nor have I ever, just someone who I played with for the first 2 weeks I was on pac... while I was blue and even once I was TB. You would icq me to come help your guild fight SUPR for faction sigils.
    Was I looking for these items for free? not close.. I was willing to pay pretty well .. above what they would normally even sell for on top of that. Which by the way, the GOOns you speak of got my gold for the animal lore.
    Tell me.. when there are reds, blues and oranges at the gate... who do you normally fight first? oranges.....
    Crying? lol I told Kyrite that knowing him was obviously a bad thing if someone would tell me that they cant help me because of who I know in game. I also told him it was childish and pathetic. Also, what Kyrite said or didnt say in the icq isnt my problem.. I sent him the icq between you and I and he took it as he wanted to. Am I suppose to control that? Not really.

    Either way, I was put on the guilty by association list, just like you did to Ravens friend... tell me I'm wrong?
    Again, my offer stands.. if M doesnt replace the items, I have items that will replace them that I would give up for free.
     
  11. BloodRavenFL

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    Im waiting to see if Sargon give back the robe and the leggings. If he does ill just buy up the rest to fill it in, although I thank everyone for the support.

    Sargon? Balls in your court.
     
  12. UltimateNoob

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    The basic fact is Al Capone is an enemy faction member who was trying to steal our sigils. Through his own carelessness he lost some crap. Nothing too important. If Blood Raven is so concerned about it he should help the guy out himself. Why help the enemy? Spoils of war!
     


  13. THC returned mt Gladiator's collar... Lt Sash and my entire suit.... They were nice,

    M would of kept it...
     
  14. Rand Al

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    One of those guys has a ring of mine but i wont keep there items cause of it i don't even remember who looted it all i know is he talked **** after it. I'm just not that kind of a person to keep items.
     
  15. there bloodraven i replaced some stuff for YOUR theif.. im not stupid i know thats your char dood. you dont have to pretend to be somebody else in order to ask for your things back. i really dont care how much of an ass you are.
     
  16. You dont have anything you worthless sloth, your items belong to hag
     
  17. Rand Al

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    Not just a sloth but a worthless one at that!
     
  18. chad

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    I looted Ashas real crystalline a few nights ago. He wanted to duel sweet teen for it back. If he won, he gets ring, if he loses he pays 10 mil. He didn't pay :(
     
  19. Rand Al

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    get a broker next time. cage=untrustworthy he didn't ever do any thing to me but allot of people say ****.
     
  20. LordTesla

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    WHY do people seem so shocked!!!

    People are lame.
     
  21. CountSilverbow

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    actually this happend to a member in my guild named JOHN he went through a red gate not knowing it would lead to pvp land and was killed by some people from GOO .... he was up set but then he said that the members of GOO had givin him his cloak of corruption back and his other uninsured belongings I was pretty amazed at this and just wanted to say to GOO TY for looking out and returning his things and that i have a special gift for GOO guild just contact me in game or here so i can give gift to your guild ... :D
     
  22. did u duel for sweet teen?

    because sweet teen is pretty bad
     
  23. SetItOff

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    NP dude that was me n samuria hah

    sorry about that but when its 4am and no one to kill you gotta cut down to drastic measures.. but we went looking for him after his suit droped gave it back...

    We don't keep items doesn't matter what guild it is, if M where to drop a suit and i where to get it i would return it to the guild leader

    :thumbsup:
     
  24. Kaleb

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    Pre AOS I would loot everything, Siege I would loot everything, Pac post AOS I try to give back what falls. Today's Uo is too much of a pain to put together a good suit 1 piece can take a guy/character out of pvp for days-weeks even more so if the player don't have a lot of gold. Everyone knows there is a bug that causes insured/blessed items to drop there should be no reason to keep their Items unless they are a complete F***tard.
     
  25. actually samurai jack was in |M|. if the kid lost anything of value i can promise it wouldent have slipped jacks mind to keep it. i cannot speak for you, other than your an immature kid who runs at the mouth. but, samurai is the kind of person who will sit there and loot a body that dropped its armor while the rest of the guild keeps fighting outnumbered. then he would keep all the items for himself. his greed and selfishness was the number one factor in his being KICKED from |M|. ask cloud how much he had to pay samurai to get his stuff back.. its quite disgusting actually.
     
  26. UltimateNoob

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    Some people's brains are bugged.
     
  27. CountSilverbow

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    ok k well itd be a honor to give the gift to goo guild will look for someone today for getting JOHN his stuff back .....

    Signed Count Silverbow
     
  28. SUPRsalad

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    This is ****ed up.. Sargon, you know i usually see your perspective, but this time you're out of line..

    THat capone guy had nothing to do with Asha's shinanigans man, in fact, i doubt he approved of it at all.. (Rumor is, most FL do not)
    Whatever happened between that odin guy and asha was messed up too man. . . From what I can gather, it had nothing to do with odin, per se, but his brother 'ish' is the one who had the beef with asha to begin with.. so asha takes his brother's suit? Two wrongs don't make a right... Ill not get into asha's reason's, (which, i found out, he did have) but no ammount of ****-talk would ever make me keep ANY of my enemie's suits.. (not even setitoff... nope, id give it back in a heartbeat, without so much as batting an eyelash)

    So, asha tries to make two wrongs into a right by ****ing over a guy that had nothing to do with it, and Sargon, tries to make two wrongs a right by.... wait, didn't i just type this? Yeah I did: ''****ing over a guy that had nothing to do with it'' . . . .

    So this 'Al' guy is guilty by association with Asha?
    And you just did basically the EXACT same thing Asha is being ostracized for?

    This makes no sense to me whatsoever.. Sargon, give it back man..

    SUPR don't roll like that. . . We just gave kyrite back his junk, and we would do the same for anyone on this shard, no questions asked.. (I would personally see to it.)
     
  29. UltimateNoob

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    I'm impressed that EOTD actually visited fel.
     
  30. SUPRsalad

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    sargon, you are living the demon that you painted yourself..
     
  31. UltimateNoob

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    The difference is asha conned a "friend" into giving him his suit for repairs. Capone's suit was looted fair and square on the field.
     
  32. if you kept reading youd see that i gave the kid (who i think is actually bloodravens theif) items from my personal stash to replace some of the higher end things he lost. im not going to tell my members to return the kids stuff after how people treat my guild. we have lost COUTNLESS items to you people one way or another, and NOTHING IS EVER RETURNED TO |M| PERIOD.
    so maybe you should open your eyes just a little bit wider.
     
  33. its funny to me that everybody is acting like |M| is the bad guy here. just like ultimate noob said, the kid lost his stuff fair and square. you laugh when tesla lost his 105 val hammers because of incompetnce but its a sin that we looted this kid because of his incompetence? Asha SCAMMED our member and you people overlook this because of your bias twords |M|. |M| HAS NEVER scammed a single ****ing person, ever. if anything weve contributed to the pvp world by suiting people up and helping teach newer pvpers how to play more efficently. just like i said, NOBODY WILL EVER RETURN TO |M|. you people have serious perspective issues here. if FL really cared that their member is a scammer, they would boot him from the guild. or quit. i would never allow a scammer to remain in |M|. PERIOD. if some of you think you can bring up the past in the off chance that one of our current members used to be a scmamer, know that people change. nobody wearing a |M| tag has taken anything from another player maliciously. looted maybe, SCAMMED? noway.
     
  34. SUPRsalad

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    nah, pink and i have discussed this. . .
    we have a full-time all-return policy.. yea even hag..

    edit: I care not for who did what to who, and when.. I just think keeping peoples crap isn't right..
     
  35. and again, you all seem to think its ok to take from |M|, but as soon as you lose something, were the bad guys.. WOLF, of your guild, LOOTED OUR GUILD HOUSE and then talked **** about it as you all laughed. Tenki looted zanity and did not return. yet, you do not see |M| crying on the forums... these are just a few of the stories i heard yesterday as we were discussing, as a guild, whether we should return his items or not. again, its very easy for you all to attack |M|. when you people learn to return stuff maybe well have something to talk about. the whole guild agreed that WL did not deserve a return after the way they've acted about items weve dropped in the past. so seriously people, set aside your ideas about |M| for just long enough to answer this quesiton. if |M| stole from you first, would you be so benevolent as to return to us if we dropped? the answere is a resounding no, considering weve dropped countless items that have no been returned, comlpetely unprovoked.
    you can cry that it isnt fair. the fact remains, if we are to keep anything form anybody, it is well justified and about principle.. we dont need your items.
    im done with this conversation. the fact is we are not scammers, we are not hackers. we are a guild of good people who get along well and dont need a nod or any respect from any of you. to be completely blunt, i think your all trash. very few of you deserve any type of respect from us.
     
  36. KalVasTENKI

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    The "mace" thing with Zanity was almost 2 years ago , with a different tag under my head and his for that matter.. I also apologized to Zanity about what happened because I reformed from what I used to do. Since I've been wearing the name "TENKI" I have not stole , looted , or disrespected anybody. I also was TENKI when I joined ~WL.. So that situation has nothing to do with this. Wolf was accused of stealing , he was not ~WL , then M. He was M then ~WL. I recieved a message from Haginor stating that Wolf has looted a guild house , I took notice of that message and kept a close eye on him because he denied it. So those two situations have no creditability towards this situation. ~WL has not stolen, looted items , or scammed anybody period.
     
  37. thats like saying if we all changed our tag right now, there would be nothing left to discuss here.. try agian, and please.. try harder. you were all in dos togeather. wolf was obivously placed into |M| as a spy.
     
  38. Zambowow

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    I offered 100 million in runics to repay what Wolf stole which I assume and believe wasn't 100 million worth.

    Like I said, a favor isn't forgotten and is always repayed in the future.
     
  39. i saw the icqs zim, you seem like a very respectable guy and are well spoken. your offer was most generous and armand is lucky to have a guildmate like you. however, this isnt about money my friend. its about PRINCIPLE. we dont need the items. we dont need the money. the whole shard takes form |M| and in return we get persecuted for reacting with apathy when you people cry about lost items.
    as far as "returning the favor in the future?" the favor has already been payed in the past. its a vicious cycle.
     
  40. MasterP

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    If no one gives the noob his stuff back hit me up, ill help him with some new gear. The thing is yeah "Rand" i gave Ky 90% of his stuff back and got the other 10% given back to him. Everyone knows that M does not like to give anything back. Everyone knows M loves to spawn. So if M can keep suits it will make people quit and M could do there am spawns when no one is on all day.

    I dont care that M keep his stuff. What pisses me off is UO is dieing. They kill a noob watching how much fun pvp is and keep his stuff. Then they tell him quit. Yeah i dont like asha at all. He screwed up a good thing and lots of good friendships. Fact is i love having noobs like him to kill.
     
  41. i returned his higher end items. i dont see anybody offering to help with my member who was scammed by asha except members of |M|.. you people make me sick.. anything to get a jab in on |M|. we have the means and have offered to replace our friends entire suit. fact is odin doesnt even want to play this game anymore because of the way people treat one another. but that doesnt matter right? just another trashy member of |M|.
     
  42. Zhakarin

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    January 2009 != 2 years ago...

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=1043508#post1043508

    ... and apologizing does not make it right. Our tags or your name changing doesn't clean the slate, you were the GM of that guild at the time, as you are of WL now. You set a precedent, you can't expect all to be forgiven and forgotten just because you've changed the guild name and have some different members.
     
  43. well put.. fact is 90% of the members of WL~ were previously dos. like i said befor, if tenki truly felt how he posted previously, then if |M| were to simply change guild tags, that would make everything right...
     
  44. KalVasTENKI

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    Actually 30% of WL were DOS , which is what?? 4 people?

    Also , the thing is.. The Zanity thing that happened , a while back while we both had different tags meaning this can't used as a loophole for your "guild policy" , or your little claims.

    When DOS broke up , only two of us were in communication and made ~WL. Wolf was solo for a while and we didn't speak to him until he quit M.

    So in conclusion of that , WL dropped a suit.. You guys didn't return.
    We haven't looted a single thing from you guys. So all in all , you guys are keeping a suit and going against your own policy.
     
  46. Stuiicide

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    well there i have all his stuff.the bows the suit i could see the insurance bug new armour forgot to auto renew.but there is insurance for a reason if u drop an item it can be looted.so for some reason thats why u need gold in your bank dont feel guilty,looting his **** nor do i feelbad for him.the game is made this way for a reason,u want too call people names say what happens will come back an bite u.i pray someone in M drops there weps an there suit cause i will just buy them a better suit an or weps.we drop **** all the time i mean all the time an never ever get any of it back .so as peter says we will do are morning spawns an keep insurance in our bank so we dont lose items,u guys make me laugh read what u type.all this devilish stuff GEMMA cryrite.seriously u guys hate us cause we pvp or make the game funn,or just jelious we have been playen together for over year with the same tag,an same people.u try to anger us dont work u see the pople that anger u control u,an the fact is we are the best guild on pac.people wise,pvp wise,spawn wise ,teaching,an replacing suit wise.so just buck up,:yellthank us for all the enjoyment we present u guys every day.an REMEMBER hugs not drugs.:yell:
     
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    I put that post link in as a date stamp of when it occurred, as that's the only post I ever made about the incident, after offering in-game to buy it back for most everything on my account, to which you replied "sorry, lol." You didn't truly apologize until weeks or maybe months later, and there was no offer of restitution. But, there is some insight in that post as to why you (and unfortunately, your guild member) are being treated the way you/he are regarding dropped items. I actually like Armand, he's fun to fight and has never talked **** to me, however, neither have or had I when you kept my item. He's an unfortunate victim of your past actions (failure) in a leadership role. If you still don't understand the message in that linked post, I'll simplify it for you: "reap what you sow", "treat other as you would have yourself/yours treated", or perhaps, "karma's a bitc*". Had members of your current guild, including yourself, not wronged members of M in the past, I have no doubt that Armand would be wearing his suit and weapons right now.
     
  48. Rand Al

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    Do people read what people post sargon had to say he gave the items he could replace back to that noob thief like 5 times lol. Next of all this is like :bdh: Some time someone in a guild looted a suit or a item and kept it. It happens get over it its all pixels. I lost a whole suit shortly after cloud dropped his including a personal blessed orny and 5 hp shroud did i ever see any of the items again yes the 5 hp shroud was for sale on a vendor And the bless deeded orny was on someones steps. I know who did it but just cause he is in a guild does not mean if someone else in that guild drops a item i wont return it but if he drops a item yes it is mine.
     
  49. SetItOff

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    okay well now he is GOO so he has loyalities unlike being in M there is no guild rules and he will follow the rules that are given from ky...

    Still insulting me even when i said i would give the suit back?

    Listen to this if you where to drop your suit im not giving it back to you ill give it back to the person who really owns it aka hag...

    worthless uo player you are..
     
  50. kool.. i guess you can give back hags armor when you loot half of the players in FL and THC/SUPR too eh? no, really tho.. those kids got more out of hag than ive ever asked for. i dont ask hag for ****. she is a very generous person but i have no needs in this game at all.. ive spent more money on my guild than you've ever had or ever will have.. keep eating up your boyfirends (kyrite) bull**** tho bud, makes you look real inteligent.
     
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