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scammers still use backpacks in tradewindows, so..

Discussion in 'UHall' started by MaryForUo, Jul 28, 2008.

  1. MaryForUo

    MaryForUo Sage
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    Just a suggestion.

    today i see someone scammed again with this old, but
    still working trick!

    scammers still use backpacks in tradewindows to scam players.
    Sometimes happen...

    so, lets say:

    You put the item that want to sell in the trade window, the buyer
    put the backpack with checks inside, open the backpack and you see
    the correct amount of golds, and see its all ok.

    After this, the seller close the trade window, you put again the item in
    the trade window, the buyer put the backpack and say it wont open now,
    and he dont know now.

    so the seller, honestly,distracted or unobservant, click ok, and inside
    the backpack there are no gold checks, but garbage!

    what about this simple fix:

    when someone put everytype of container it'll open automatically

    simple and fast solution, dont you think so?
     
  2. Well in this case, I say the fix isnt with the time. If you not going to look what your getting then your not scammed. You just clicked away.

    Now there still is a "shadow item " problem with the trade window. And that can cause problems. BUT I guess they wont fix that either. I was scammed that way.

    Oh why.
    Well the same guy that wont click the container to see what it is...
    Wont check the million dollar checks to see they were changed to 10k checks...

    That is (your idea is put in), the container opens when replaced, after accidently closed of course...
    They see 10 checks in there but they were switch when the window was opened again to 10k checks from 1 million checks.

    You see what I mean.
    Then you would need a fix to actually open the container and make the player check the checks again.

    Where would it end.
     
  3. But I often agree with you.
     
  4. MaryForUo

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    well, i agree with you, they can change 1mil check with 10k check..true.
    would be nice to see somewhere in the trade windows the total amount
    of golds, on each side of the trade window (left/right).

    i dont think this'd require so much code!
     
  5. Hmm. Good point with the total of checks. That would actually be a great idea. So i dont have to count.

    Heres one
    What about the hat of magi that closes and they put a plan white hat in?
     
  6. LeBaiton

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    If this happens I always stay polite, and offer them to put the item on my vendor for them to buy :thumbsup:
     
  7. Desperado_SE

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    Not to be a complete asshat here, but the problem isn't the game code, it's more that people who actually fall for any of the scams mentioned in this thread so far just aren't using common sense and/or caution. If someone is doing a trade and the other guy says he/she can't get the bag to open in the trade window for whatever reason, cancel the trade and either do as LeBaiton does or tell them to just place the checks themselves in the window.
     
  8. Erekose

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    How about if the trade window closes you ask them to open the pack again?

    Simple fix and it requires no code.

    Caveat Emptor.
     
  9. Eslake

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    And we wonder where all the new players are......

    Think about what you're doing here.
    You are complaining...
    But not about the people who lower themselves to such idiotic scams...
    you are complaining - about the victims.

    The only reason someone would "use common sense" in this situation is if they had already been subjected to a similar scam. People don't come into the game expecting to be screwed by everyone they meet at every oportunity... and they shouldn't have to!

    I miss the brief time when scamming was a bannable offense. When they put up those signs at the forges that warned potential scammers what would happen. (and since changed the signs)
    Seriously, what kind of person gets their kicks off of cheating people in a game?

    And what kind of person is more ready to defend the criminal than the victim? Oh that's right, lawyers. ;)
     
  10. legendsguy

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    of course in KR you can't open any packs in trade windows and checks seem to hide behind each other.. so that's a problem as well.

    i tried to buy an item from someone and ended up having to purchase it off his vendor because he couldn't tell if i had given him enough checks or not.
     
  11. Tycolby

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    Stop using Trade Windows and start using vendors for all transactions. No need to redo codes.

    :twak:
     
  12. Uriah Heep

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    And stop using KR until it is a fully functioning client.
     
  13. THP

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    LET ME be totally frank here....

    IN REAL LIFE peole steal stuff from shops and im not talking ****ty 1m uogold thats worth a silly $1.. im talking lot more....

    If if some kid openly scammed anyone for 1m or $1 wtf does it matter??? we talking 1 freaking dollar.....

    Lets get real.. If peeps do steal for real they aint gonna blink one eye in UO

    Wakey wakey UO ....... life iant easy.. well real life anyways....
     
  14. Lady_Mina

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    a great tip...avoid trading with bags.

    And if you do...don't close the trade and restart.

    Keep the trade window open...and don't take 'i cant open my bag' as excuse.
    If a person wants to trade...he/she better make sure his/her bag opens.

    If not the trade should be cancelled untill...the bags properly opens displaying the right amount of checks..or cancel the whole deal if you sense that the person is trying to use tricks on you.

    Check everything and let nothing distract you.


    I've been playing for years and never got scammed.
    Simply cause i have serious trust issues.
     
  15. MalagAste

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    Sad but there are scammers all over UO...

    When I started playing UO it was just after UO:R was released... I thought everything was so awesome..... but I read very carefully the UO manual that came with my disk.... and it basicly said DO NOT TRUST ANYONE ingame.... they will try to scam you......don't talk to them do not trade with them.... on and on by the time I finished reading I really was wondering what I was supposed to do ...... I wanted to pay to play and MMORPG where you DON'T EVER talk to another player???? That just didn't seem right..... but I tell you what I hadn't played 2 months and already figured out that for every nice person ingame there were 4 or 5 scammers and cheats... out to take everything you had... very rare was it that I would come across someone who genuinely wanted to help and who really was just giving me something to be NICE.... I have spent most my time in game trying to pay those back... not to the folk who were nice to me generally but to everyone else in game I meet trying to make up for the 4 or 5 in game that cancel out my good deeds..... I have since met many others like myself who actually take time out to help new characters.. who will spend 2 hours here or there showing a new person around.... or who will take the time to help someone get back to their body not just rez them and leave them but help them recover what they need .... little things like that I hope help folk......

    But I agree that making it so that any pack placed in the trade window opens automaticlly would help some..... and even making it so NO containers can be traded would help too.... But don't ever force me to get a vendor.... I hate them and I refuse to ever own one. I think the idea of having the game display the gold amount in the corner of the trade window is also very nice.. and would be most helpful in dealing with scammers... (who in my opinion ruin the game for everyone and being caught scamming other players in my opinion SHOULD be a bannable offence).
     
  16. Jahira-Tor

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    It would be nice to have a 'Gold total' in the transaction window, however i personly have yet to see the need to. Ive only ever heard of similar things where they have the trade window, everything is as it should be then it dropps. Apon reopening the person just presums its all ok. Im sorry but you cant protect all the silly people out there.

    I myself complete all transactions via vendors where possible. Its not always possible for EG buying a house. But its just like RL, you have to take your time.

    Thats the key to everything, take your time and think about it.
     
  17. Lady_Mina

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    maybe bigger amount checks would help...so people don't have to stack them.

    instead of 50x 1 mill..

    Just one check of 50 mill.


    It's sad how greedy for pixel money some people are.

    Aspecialy these ages it becomes clear how many bug exploiters and scammers there are , they go to work very shamelessly these days.

    Since they think they're invincible , because GM's don't seem to react when people page them.

    And they keep going unpunished.
     
  18. ki-rin

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    good idea. :thumbup1:
     
  19. Joyous2K

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    In KR you just can't open the backpacks. That was their fix for KR?

    Your problem is more of careless selling. You can't get lazy when you are trading. I once clicked Accept before the guy put his coin up. I mean that should be fixed also then. But that is not really a design flaw it is carelessness.
     
  20. Draxous

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    I'm pretty sure this, along with damn near every single scam that has ever been had... is due to the exploitation of player naivety/stupidity.

    You want the developers to step in and stupid-proof this game some more?

    I think the vast majority of things they've inadvertently ruined was trying to do this very same thing.

    No thanks, I'll pass. :thumbdown:
     
  21. Omnius

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    this is funny because my close friend had played UO for 9 minutes before someone tried to scam him. the scammer was offering 50k!!! for new player tickets and was using this trick but giving players bugged 5k checks. My friend, savvy newb that he was, traded the player a useless ballot box deed for it(at the time worth 100gp but easily obtainable as garbage on the ground everywhere, including right next to him).

    Getting scammed just means you're clueless.
     
  22. Lore Master

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    Some guy attempted a simular scam on me. the only differnce was the item wasn't in a container he was offering me a uncursed armour of fortune for my hooded shroud this was several years ago when the armour of fortune was selling for like 20 million gold on average or more so it would have been a great deal for me. well anyway what he did was show me the uncursed armour of fortune in the trade window and i put my hooded shroud in the trade window then he closed the trade and started the trade again this time he put a normal studded tunic dyed with the gold tokuna dye it looked just like an AOF i swear if i diddn't put my mouse on it i would have been fooled. good thing i always double check things. when i said hey what happened to the AOF that is just a dyed tunic at that moment he ran away from me lol.
     
  23. Black Sun

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    I have had a very simple solution for this problem for a long time. I simply refuse to accept any trade that is placed in a bag. I have no problem bagging checks for someone if they request, but I always open the bag so they can see what they are actually getting, and I demand that my items not be bagged. No matter what it is, or how many items we're talking about.

    When it comes to the internet, or strangers in general (UO or RL) my motto is 'Trust No One'
     
  24. Lady_Mina

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    Getting scammed doesn't mean you're stupid tho.

    When people have to pay you 30-50 mill...you can't expect them to put all 30-50 checks into the trade window...cause there's no way to check if a person has placed a check over an other check...he can say 'here's 50 mill , but due to the lack of space in the trade window i had to place some over the others'...that would lead to more scamming.

    In a bag everything is sorted...you can count the amount of checks.

    It's just when people close the trade and restart the trade and then tell you the bag is broken...i'd be really suspicious about it.

    I wouldn't want to trade untill i would be able to see the money and a check sign from his side.
     
  25. Kith Kanan

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    well I would be happy if I could even open a container in kr.... and if they could see more than 2-3 of the checks i put in the window.....
     
  26. Lady_Mina

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    They either should consider giving us the ability to make larger checks.

    or as suggested above...display a 'gold total' in the trade window...

    But then gold has to be like in WoW...no weight..., not lootable , not in your bank...just displaying when you open your backpack.

    If gold was not an item we could "see" and pick up as an item..then it would be harder to be duped aswell.
     
  27. Bad idea. As soon as something like that would be put into the game, dupers would start duping checks of the highest amount en masse. Duped gold is too easy to launder. At least with 1mil checks they're limited to the number of items they can carry and/or store. If a duper had a 50mil check and decided to dupe it, they could conceivably have 1 real check with 124 dupes created just on their person. That's 6.2 trillion gold just on one character.
     
  28. Black Sun

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    In a case like that, I think I'd have to re-examine my policy. But (un)luckily, I never deal in amounts like that. I think the most I've ever received for one trade was maybe 5 mil. The majority of my income comes from what my vendors bring in.
     
  29. Black Sun

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    I'd be in favor of a shard wide credit account with no visible gold (like Wow or SWG) to be handled or traded (or take up space in my bank box). Just so long as it could be accessed by all chars or easily transfered between all chars on the same account.
     
  30. Sarphus

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    Well here's the rub... Common sense is a misnomer. The correct word is "experience" and some people who play UO haven't experienced enough to know better.

    Yes, you can't trust much of anyone in UO (or online for that matter), but people usually have to get burned to know they can't trust people. Scammers ultimately hurt UO, because often the victims are the people who are new to the game. A common reaction to being scammed is to give up on the game.