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Scripters Become To Tired

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Zyon Rockler, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. Zyon Rockler

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    After X amount of gathering any resource you become to tired to harvest any more, so the amount is capped at 60k until the server resets.

    So, once you receive 60k regular logs you can no longer chop any wood for the day.

    Also, some other messages that might help stop the use of scripts,

    You have already taken all the useful wood you can find from this tree

    You have already mined all the useful ore you can find in this location

    I am sorry, but my shop is sold out

    This stops players from doing the same thing over and over.

    And, how about for speed hacking

    You are running to fast and must stop to catch your breath, Your character's dexterity is zapped equal to the amount of spaces moved

    This counts tiles you have moved over and looks at how long it takes you, like MPH but uses the grid on the map.

    You can no longer gain in this skill until you have rested, Resets at server up
     
  2. DHMagicMan_1

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    Ban anyone using scripting tools = Cleaner and Easier solution, provided they can detect scripting tools running.
     
  3. Goodmann

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    So now the normal honest player can not mine/lj over 60k in a given day.......................

    Or my $4k cpu which process's data much faster than joe blows cpu allowing me to be "faster" now my dex is zapped......................


    NO THANKS
     
  4. jtw1984

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    Hey those are great ideas. I have some more that might be helpful:

    You can only craft 20 pieces of armor a day.

    You can only kill 50 monsters a day.

    Oh and the last one...

    If you play more than 2 hours a day your account will be banned 72 hours for scripting.
     
  5. Tjalle

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    I lol´d...
     
  6. longshanks

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    surely ur not serious on the armor crafting. i can't tell you how many pieces i crafted to get the right resists for my suit.

    your idea of monster killing essentially kills off doing any champ spawns.

    2 hours a day is also foolish.

    please think things through more prior to posting next time.
     
  7. Yen Sid

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    Your CPU was not $4k lol. Your entire PC maybe. rolleyes:

    /FACEPALM!!!!

    You really do think he is serious? rolleyes:
     
  8. Tjalle

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    I´m pretty sure he was being sarcastic...
     
  9. DHMagicMan_1

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    The search sites shouldn't work any more if they use scripting to gather the info so that's a moot point.
     
  10. Cetric

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    Hmm...

    The tiles per second thing seems interesting.

    Needs alot more thought than, you move x amount of spaces in x amount of time, and you have to walk though.

    I can see that being annoying for everyone not just speed hacking, but that couple help cap movement a little bit if implemented correctly.
     
  11. UOKaiser

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    Well on the lumber side it only takes maybe between a hour or 2 of constant lumbering to reach 60k. only need to press a few macro buttons and drag every couple of minutes. Constant mining it takes about 10 hours for 11k ore in tram and 22 ore in fel. so someone mining 23 hours would probably get about 26k ore in 1 day in tram or 56k ore 1 day in fel so this accounts for both players that script and players that take 1 day a month to mine. So 60k limit per day does nothing.
     
  12. Viper09

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    Uh-huh. And how do you expect them to do this exactly? EA doesn't have any authority over that site, obviously. And that's aside from the fact that not everything listed there is scripted resources.
     
  13. RawHeadRex

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    "You are moving unusually fast for your species, your overworked heart suddenly stops...
    You are Dead." *grey screen*

    :lol:
     
  14. Zyon Rockler

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    Yeah that's very funny but people seem to be very interested in this type of thing and we are talking about reasonable amounts, these numbers could be changed. So, here's what you can do for me.

    First, take out your mining tool or your favorite tree lopping axe, then go out and chop wood for 20 hours straight, no breaks, no space between trees and tell me the number of logs produced.

    Then, play the game the correct way. Go to 1 tree, cut wood, then walk to another tree, cut some more wood and do this for 6 hours and tell me how many logs you produce and that's the number we need to cap this at. Now, if you haven't had enough and you can no longer cut any more wood, now you can go mine for another 6 hours and tell me how many iron ore you produce and then we will use that number to cap off the iron ore.

    See, there is a big difference in those 2 numbers. A scripter probably produces, while away from keys, i'm going to guess, 200,000 logs.

    The normal player probably produces somewhere around 60,000 before saying I have had enough and does something different.
     
  15. Soooo...what if scripters just used 5 accounts? 10 Accounts? 30 Accounts?

    "You have mined too much ore across your accounts, you will now be lashed a single time for each account you own."

    -The Management
     
  16. Zyon Rockler

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    What does it matter if they script 1,000 accounts. What does it matter if they script across 2 million accounts, besides the fact we would have a very animated world, they would have to pay for the account.
     
  17. UOKaiser

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    Done that being there. Mined and chop wood for over 20hours before. The correct way am not sure what you mean by that. You don't need to walk to no tree if you don't want to. These are the average amounts for anyone who just press macros while watching tv or scripters that use scripting programs while away or by gamers who use gaming software to establish advance macros to loop uoassist or players who use uoassist and glance over when they need to drag ore or lumber. 200k logs is too small for 24 hour operation. 24 times 30k the max anybody could achieve efficently is 720k per 24 hour day depending if it's tram or 1440 fel. With breaks and mistakes with macros in the middle it will be much less ofcourse.
    A average player that knows what they doing can easily chop for 3-4hours so that should be 240k in tram and 480k in fel. A power gamer will do alot more. A resourceful player will leave all chopping for 1 day a week or month for that whole day and not bother with it till next month or week.

    Still havent gotten a average with enhance client but still won't be able to achieve the max i mention just because of the timings between chop and amount of time it takes to recall spot to spot and drop off. Havent gotten a average either with elementals 25 ore per as it's very random when using gargoyle pick axe and then average in how long it takes to loot and kill before moving and starting another spot. As macros are not easy for that because it's not repetitive It's not efficient enough after a certain amount of time maybe 30 min max before it starts becoming inefficient method.
     
  18. Viper09

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    I don't think it really worked.
     
  19. UOKaiser

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    They have to do that now. Trial accounts don't allow anybody to mine or cut wood more than regular boards and iron. No special ingredients no color resources.
     
  20. Viper09

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    It is hypocritical to say your attempt didn't really work after asking you how EA would ban people for using a search site? Whatever you say, lol.
     
  21. Xanth de Orlig

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    lol
     
  22. ingsmsico

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    while I am not sure these specific ideas would work, you do have the right idea. scripting should be approved and abuses should be dealt with by changes to the game, much like they did with champ spawn scripts.
     
  23. Myna

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    on europa shard its hard to find a vendor selling leather or colored ingots

    so where are all the scripters who destroy the economy (btw. you cant destroy an economy that is destroyed already)?

    so if not the scripters selling the ingots, where are all the honest miners who wants to sell ingots?

    i would really like to buy some colored ingots, scripted or not
     
  24. GarthGrey

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    To the OP, were you seriously sitting there at home or wherever you are, and you thought this would be a great idea? And "I" get a warning for trolling.....wow.
     
  25. Zyon Rockler

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    No, I wasn't really thinking about it. I was reading over Stratics the other day and I read a post about scripting and I just think rather than try to track these 3rd party programs, it would be a much better idea to control what they are capable of.

    So, instead of trying to stop people from breaking the rules, you basically change them. I really don't like any of my ideas, like I said, they come to me, it's the continuation or the after thought that I like. It's like there is always much, much more to it and always a much bigger picture than what's on the surface.
     
  26. ingsmsico

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    this is what the dev team has always done. from the mining changes to champ spawn changes.

    rest assured your line of thinking is usually the type of solution the developers settle on. don't let someone tell you that you are a troll. you had maybe bad ideas. but good premise and thinking. you think just like a programmer.
     
  27. Konge

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    You should probably think about the word Sarcasm.

    That post you replied to, was chuck filled with it, oozing it like a jelly doughnut. it really shoulda been smack you in the face obvious if you actually took a moment to comprehend.

    OT

    I dunno... I mean, some ideas I could see, other's I can't, and one, I don't even know wtf zapping dex is. Lightning bolts shoot out your ass so people can call you a speed hacker more?
     
  28. Babble

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    How effective would Captcha be.
    Some freeshards have it to make unattended macroing more difficult. Even a Captcha with UO symbols.
     
  29. Cogniac

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    The two problems with this idea are that a.) it tries to prevent scripting by punishing honest players and b.) it doesn't actually work. It's like trying to prevent terrorism by instituting a national ID program; all you accomplish is wasting your citizens' time and obliterating their privacy - real terrorists just make fake IDs and continue blowing things up.
     
  30. slaveone

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    Sounds good to me. Anyone who wants to pretend honest players will chop more than 60k logs or mine more than 60k ore in a day its full of total BS. No one would do that i'm sorry but there are way better ways to spend ones time in UO than mining all day or chopping wood. A "REAL" player wouldn't do this hardly ever if at all. And even if some "REAL" player did i'm sure when they got that message they'd be like you know what I am actually tired of doing this monotonous task maybe i should do something in the REAL WORLD!!!

    I say DO IT!
     
  31. Nematode

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    Hi OT,

    like ingsmsico, I agree with you on your train of thought. The only difference between an honest player and a scripted one is simply the amount of resources produced over a given period of time.

    For all those how disagree, the reason given, if any at all, seems asinine to me; "No it doesnt work cos it punishes honest players", "No it wont work cos I can harvest 20 hrs straight, stopping only to change my diapers and pump into my feeding tube".

    I mean, get real, people. OT is just suggesting a possible solution to this perennial problem. Dont just shoot it down without the courtesy of a thoughtful counterproposal.
     
  32. Diggity

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    What if resource gathering borrowed from the old power hour concept? So each character has a limited time when resources gathered is boosted. Eg for mining, after each server up every char is eligible to buy/get a special 200 use shovel that only that char can use. Or make it like the fountains that will generate the shovel every day for the casual players that don't log in every day. Each of these shovels uses will give more ore than a normal shovel. If the boost is sufficient, this will incent more players to gather their own resources for there own needs. The tools are tied to a char so only that player can benefit from the boost.
     
  33. Sturdy

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    I think the OPs idea on resources is a good one. The exact number is a different issue.

    I have played this game a lot and never come close to 60k boards or ingots in a day. If some people can/do fine make it a higher number, but the idea is still good.

    And to the guy who chopped for 20 hours- they have a program in Korea you might want to look into.

    "and the government even opened a hotline for gaming addicts in 2006. At the treatment centers, patients typically spend two weeks or more "de-toxing" from their video game use, partaking in outdoor activities and arts and crafts instead. They also discuss with counselors the problems that video games have created for their health and social lives, supposedly releasing their anxiety. "
     
  34. UOKaiser

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    Well it's better to chop or mine 1 day for 20 hours than 30 days for 1 and a half our a day. At least that way you can actualy take days and weeks with no UO and still have the same resources that a person who logs in everyday for a month for a hour a day. Could take a vacation go out and play. It's as good as playing a real good rpg game like the final fantasy series till you finish it in about 18-20hours when you first get it. Then you put it away and play it again 2 years later you know. But much easier to do in UO you don't need to put your full attention. Macro 1 then drag then macro 2 then unload then macro 3 then drag repeat up to 16 lines. 16 buttons only looking at the screen to drag the resources.