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shard shields

Discussion in 'UHall' started by SixUnder, Dec 8, 2012.

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Should we be able to xfer with shard shields with pets not in stables like a normal xfer?

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. younger accounts are whining

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  1. SixUnder

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    Ok, i have 5 shard shields to go back and forth between shards to beableto sell and buy items etc. I loaded up like 700 miltoday to move to another shard and noticed i could not use my packies. Has this ever been specified why? Makes no sense to me, a character xfer is a character xfer.

    yeah i have the xfer tokens to do it, but that is why invested in shard shields. Now I have so many tokens now for so many shards, that only good for what a character can carry. Was a nice reward till i saw that note. Sorry, if this has been disussed before.
     
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  2. S_S

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    They are a free transfer once a month... nope, I have no problems being somewhat limited on what I can take back and forth. I use mine all the time.
     
  3. LordDrago

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    If memory serves me this was the way they were designed and described to us.
     
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  5. Petra Fyde

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    Yes. That FAQ was constructed when they were first introduced. They are not, and never were, intended to replace the shard transfers from the store.
     
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    bank 175 items with no weight cap.
    backpack 150 items.
    total 325 items.

    you just said you had a stack of the tokens.... so do 2 trips.
    its still free!

    i had to do the exact same thing a couple months ago, move a couple hundred million from one shard to another.
    but i didnt complain about doing it in 2 runs.... because it was a couple hundred million!
    and i was doing it for free!

    hell, i jumped over to ATL this summer to pick up a easter basket i could have picked up on sonoma for 200k but i did it because it was free!
     
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  7. popps

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    I voted no because I feel that the logic behind shard shields should not be for large transfers but for hopping now and then on other shards for hunts, visits and so forth. Being able to transfer loaded pets would be too much under the logic of seeing shard shields as a temporary "hopping" transfer.......
    BUT, said the above, there does is a change under the above logic that I would like to see introduced for Shard Shields and that is to be able to change the represented shard from one month to another.
    That is, under the logic to have Shard Shields work as a "hopping" means to occasionally visit other Shards, Veterans whould be able to have their Shield one month represent, say, Atlantic, and then be able at the start of a new month be able to change the represented Shard to, say, Pacific, and then after 30 more days be able to change again the represented Shard to, say, Great Lakes.... and so forth.
    This allowed change would be, IMHO, along the spirit of seeing Shard Shields as a means to hop to other shards for short visits, one per month, with all of the other limitations we know (account bound, no loaded pets and so forth).

    If a player wants to visit 10 Shards, occasionally (say once every few months or even once every 6 months...), I do not see why they have to get 10 Shard Shields as it is now which over the course of 1 year will crank out 12 tokens for each of those 10 Shards (120 total...)!!
    I want to just go to 1 shard over the time of 6 months !! Why do I need to get a shield which will make me 6 tokens over six months of which I will need to use only 1 ?? The other 5 would be a total waste, useless.......
    That's why it would be way much better is Shard Shields' represented Shards could be changed from one month to the other, IMHO........
     
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  8. Poo

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    disagree.

    you cant change your ethy every month.
    i dont feel like a horse this month.... i want a cu sidhe.....

    you cant change your ore cart into a sheep statue or a stump just cause you want to.
    so why shields?

    they are great just the way they are.
    getting a full set would be and SHOULD be something hard that people strive to do.
    it shouldn't be a spoon fed pixil-fest.
    the cheapness of the clientele should not dictate a vet reward change.
     
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    /signed
     
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  10. Viper09

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    I voted nay as well. There needs to be a difference between the shard shields and the transfer tokens.
     
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    There is 25 Shards (27 with Siege and Mugen...). If a veteran was to succeed in getting them 25, this would mean a yearly production of some 25 x 12 = 300 transfer tokens a year. "Almost" a transfer token per day....

    Even though I can think that there could be players transferring to a different Shard every day (assuming that they can play UO every day...), I doubt that the average player would be transferring "that" often to other shards.....

    I think that having "fixed", permanent Shards as represented just makes it for a useless over production of transfer tokens which a lot of players will hardly use and let them just pile up.

    If the represented Shard could be changed, monthly, this would be avoided and I think it would be a good thing.

    I do not think that Shard Shields can be compared to ethereal mounts or rugs, carts and so on. They are quite different and are used for different needs. That is why I do not see any problem in having the represented Shard be possible to be changed from month to month.
     
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    The severe limitations of being account bound AND no loaded pets to transfer along seem to me quite a hefty limitation already.

    Besides, considering that the logic for Shard Shields is for occasional, limited hopping to another Shard (hence the limitation of not being able to carry along loaded pets which are for more heavy, permanent transfers...), the ability to change the represented Shard from one month to another would simply perfectly fit with this logic of using the Shard Shields for an occasional, limited transfer to another Shard.
     
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    I find more troublesome, that the shard shield deeds are account bound. Age limited, fine, the tokens bound to the account, which placed the deed in house, fine, but the deed itself should be freely tradeable.
    Of course, the shard shield a little bit more flexible (i.e. creating in one month the token to the target shard, in the next month a token for the shard it is placed on) would be also great, if we don't want it have freely switchable at replacement.
    *Salute*
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  14. Rand Althor

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    Even thought I have 16 Shard Shields - I still voted No... these should not be all powerfull, or game changing and make a big difference between me and someone with less then 15yrs.. middle of the road is good enough..
     
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    Free Transfer. I own a number of shard shields and I am content with the current system (I voted no). If I want to move a ton of items at once, I use the normal transfer tokens.
     
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    I voted yes only because at this point in the life of Ultima Online I think there should just be a shard gate to transfer through. All gold should be worldwide by account, and anyone should be able to go anywhere they want any time they want.
     
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    Sorry I voted no.
    I own alot of shields and move alot between shards but this would make full transfers null and void hurting uo.
    Shields were a gift to allow players to go visit other shards, and if you liked to move full set characters to go have fun. To use it for a shard move is stupid thats the use of full tokens. To allow packies would put a serious kink in the works. If you have max bank space you can take 175 items plus what you can carry and wear. for a visit this is quite enough.
     
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  18. SixUnder

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    interesting comments:danceb:
     
  19. WootSauce

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    read the fine print before you sign the contract.
     
  20. SixUnder

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    i knew the fine print, just wanted a poll about it. see what others that, thats all :)
     
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    Here is a problem what if say you picked shard shields a year ago for X shard then it turns out X shard is so dead you want to move to a different shard well tough luck your stuck with shard shields for a dead shard. Total Waste! These need to be redeemable to change shards, maybe 1 month penalty in getting tokens BUT should be made so if you do transfer they can serve a purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    or open up houseing.... like it should be. Then you could find a reason for that shield... good hunting in low shards.
     
  23. MedeaDF

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    No. I use my shard shields all the time for shopping and just visiting other shards (I love especially the asian ones because of their decorations).
     
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    That's what I have been trying to say since they were released..... there can be several reasons for a Veteran not to be wanting to go anymore to a given Shard they had previously selected a Shard Shield for. Over time, things may change. In such a case, since the shield will keep making account bound tokens for that shard 1 per month, they will all get wasted.... Why not then allow the changing of the represented Shard from one month to another ? The tokens would still be account bound and so not transferable anyways, only the account which claimed the shield will be able to use them so why not allow this little change ?
     
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    My thoughts also. Shield has a full charge on it. Upon taking it down option window opens and list of shard to pick and new shard shield in pack. Wait a month for new shard shield location to generate a token. Go there. Still have to wait another month for it to charge to change it again. Still need a second reward choice just to get back home. There is nothing overpowering with account bound and a month to make a token, if the shield location could be changed. Still requires a year of game time to get those two reward choices. After all the early years of few choices (weeeeeee new robe color). Mounts, and nothing will top the coolness of the polar bear at it's release. Carts, Stumps, Teleporters, Midget Boura and the list goes on. Who in the hell planned to save up reward picks for tunnel opening once a month to another shard future account bound reward. And still takes two picks to be useful.

    There is just no good reason the location of a shield shouldn't be switched. Those that aim to impress still would have had to burn a decade+ of reward picks. Account bound, month to recharge and no pets allowed reward pick. Not like they added a recipe and theese things can be crafted. Thats enough restrictions. Redeeding change should be allowed.
     
  26. Lady Storm

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    popps
    I agree there are some things we get for use from our vet rewards system that after a time do go by the way side because they are no longer wanted or needed. It was one of the biggest reasons I put forth to the dev years ago that perhaps a system of turn in for exchange might be a option to look into. We have a glut of dye tubs, robes and cloaks, statues... etc.... It is conciveable that the shields and other items on the account bound side that might be useless after a time, or selected on a whim that didnt turn out like they thought.
    It is a good idea the shield I mean... you have to admit. I find them very usefull for my accounts that are of that age. I am able to move things from one to another where I need them. My son and I are pleased with the shields but I do see where for a player who doesnt have but the one account and house where a sheild or 2 might turn into a waste of choice later down the road. With the not being able to trade it off to a player who could use it or turn it in for a new choice or even as many here have said being able to switch it to another location shard does make it into a boat anchor.
    I do have a idea that perhaps might have not been looked at by the dev..... it also might not take up so much wall space and lower down the griping a bit. 1 shield that has a token menu of locations including the shard of origin the player is on. 1 shield but all the shards on one shield. You want to go to Baja you save up 2 tokens and when you have them off you go for a nice visit... next time you can choose say Europa.... raise the holding capaity to 20 tokens and there you go. No more complaints from the peanut gallery over this shield bit.
     
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    bang on..........iam gobsmacked people are whinng they cant take more than 350 items FRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
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    I dont think that paying 13 years of subscriptions is exactly free, i work it out to cost £1560 before you can even get a shard tranfer shield to do the transfer
     
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    ummmmm the tokens are free darlin. ts the play thats costing you....
    @ 175 items with no weight limit in bank and putting alot of things you cant deed or put in stacks its the best way...
    125 items in your pack * this includes the 2 tokens for the trip there and back*
    All the clothing, jewelry,an junk you can carry hold and all you got alot of bang for your trip
    Now I will add in dont forget only 1 character from that shield account can move in a 24 hour period of time sooo if you need to take more pace out your moves accordingly.
     
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    eRRR YES its FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE shard hopping mATE....I cant wait ...3 months now...

    and.........1500 quid.........pretty cheap for a 14 year hobb METHINKS .....think im about even stevens now:next:
     
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    Can these Shard Shields be placed in a house you are Co-owned to? or only the house that's on the account?
     
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    any
    just account bound
     
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    The placement must also be done by the account owner, so the character must be at least coowner for that placement.
     
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