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Shard Transfer Shields:

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Petra Fyde, Nov 23, 2011.

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  1. Petra Fyde

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    Finally some decent answers.
     
  3. Kas Althume

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    Aye, good work Petra.

    I wish they would give every siege player a shield for free since we can use it only for deco. I like the look of it. ;)
     
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    I'm assuming we can't transfer to Siege. Is this a correct assumption? Please say I'm wrong!
     
  5. Petra Fyde

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    The last word we had on that was that Siege and Mugen are set up so differently that transfer to or from them just isn't possible technically.
     
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    OH MAN

    i want these soooo bad, but i am only a 7th year player

    Mesanna i will pay MONEY for these on the gamecode store, like the Brtiannian ship

    make it a lesser item, a token every 2 months etc so the 14th year vets DO have a reward for being a vet, i dont care! i just want these!

    Please, just think about it

    and Petra, nice article, i do not wish to sabotage this into a flame fest or yes no thread, BUT i really want the option to buy, this will GREATLY enhance my game play, the game style i have created for myself, seeing as this is what UO is all about, creating a unquie game experience, I just REALLY want the option to get them

    to all that are offended by my request, sorry

    but this is important to ME and i speak for only me on this issue now

    good day to all
     
  7. Mirt

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    Thank you Messana and Petra.
     
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    WoW. Very kewl. I may start playing again :)
    A BIG Thank You Mesanna. Also, Thanks for fishin' up the info Petra :)

    @ Jack - understandable just how bad many players would like these. I'm not offended by ur request :) TBH I havent played UO in around 6 months yet still pay my bill so I dont loose my account status (I've taken many breaks over the years). That said, its nice those of us who've stuck by UO through it all are being rewarded w/ something other then pixel candy. An incentive to actually play UO again, the ability to try different shards, is just a really nice way to say "Thanks" to the few ancient accounts left.

    Again, Thanks Mesanna and thanks to all those that made this happen :)
     
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    You can always make a character on Siege though :p Like a character named Fred or Bob

    Q. Can the shields be used to transfer from Siege Perilous or Mugen shards?
    A. No, on those shards shields are decorative only
     
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    I find this post a good example of the valid promotional purposes of the Veteran Rewards program.

    Creating good, sound incentives like the Shard Shields (or the teleporter last year...) that players desire, is an ingenuous way to offer to Veteran players an additional reason to maintain their accounts as active to eventually qualify for those much wanted Veteran Rewards. All players enjoying Ultima Online, eventually benefit from this because more active accounts means more revenues and so support for the game.........
     
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    I like this answer. "A or B?" - "yes"
     
  12. Petra Fyde

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    Doh!!
    edited :blushing:
     
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    in the answers, it says you can place it in a house you're friended to and that the house owner can redeed it - does that mean when he redeeds it, it goes to his pack and then he has to find you and give it back to you? because that could really suck and it would suck even worse if it became "his" shard transfer shield at that point - I think this one needs ALOT more clarification (how do you answer that many questions and miss something that huge?)
     
  14. Petra Fyde

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    I asked as many questions as I could think of, Mesanna kindly answered them. The shield is account bound, at no point does it become the property of anyone else. The owner of a house can re-deed anything in the house, always has been able to.
    Since you obviously would have done a much better job of coming up with a comprehensive list of questions to ask, I'll be sure to contact you next time.
     
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    I'm available for weddings and funerals ... hehe
     
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    My son declaired the minute my account was of age he wanted 2 shields!
    (he did say please... he knows I am a miser with my reward pts)

    One on Origin the other on Atlantic....... ok so I let him have the set and set up both for use.
    They work great. I keep my 7th slot open on all shards 99% of the time so this made for easy transfer of a quirky 6th I have for moving things around easy. Now I do have max bank space which is 175, so my son was scared to try to move over the 125 limit of items in the bank but gave in and tried at my insistance to at least test this out.

    To his surprise it went very smoothly. (mom read up on it from Mesanna's questions so I had the upper hand on the deal)

    The only thing he was a little disapointed in was when he got the return token he needed to wait the 24 hours to use it to return back to home base. Otherwise he was estatic.

    I must say this is a great idea and I dont mind in the least that its only what you got in bank and on you that goes. With the bounds of Siege an Mugen I think they should get a set of all for 1 choice as deco.
    Jack no way would I let this get to the lower lvls for use. Not that I want a monopoly. The misuse of this could get out of hand if it were purchaseable. I understand your fustration at the possibilitys, but with all due respect to you sir and the others who wish this for younger account is this.

    IF and I do mean IF UO Dev did sell this I see not just the sales of transfer tokens dropping to the mat but also big issues with EM events, distribution of the wealth and safty of players in game. All we need is for some yahhh hoooo's to buy up mega amounts of them and run rampant. Even with a 24 hour turnaround alot of hell could go on and tip the ballance of UO.
    (As it is now EM Events are over run by visitors who have kept "clones " on hand to pillage the fruits of the shards events an run it back to ether their shard or off to sell for mega profet on Atlantic. All shards have this happening and the residents are for the most part shut out of getting anything. If the token were to fall to younger players or off the codestore the effects would be triple fold. Every tom **** or harry would save up their best event fighter and the next shard event would be stuffed with players from all over and shards would crash with the drain on its capasity.)
    No its best that this remain a 14th year item and not on the gamestore market list like the boat.
     
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    Petra, there is one thing that bugs me (I should more say, concerns me......) and that is related to how the Shard Shield handles the pets as compared to the regular transfer token.

    I think, this might also be a question worthy of being asked to Mesanna because of concerns that might arise "if" any code is shared, in the accident of bugs which we always hope never exist, but unfortunately sometimes, when playing the game, we get hit by them.

    I will explain it better.

    From Mesanna's answer that no pet can be carried along the Shard Shield transfer unless stabled, it clearly hints to me that this transfer is handled through a different code than the regular transfer tokens which, we all know, allow the carrying along of loaded pack animals as well as loaded riden blue beetles.

    Now, and here comes my concern, "what if" parts of the transfer code are "shared" by the 2 different transfer ways and this might lead to loaded pack animals be deleted while transferring using the regular, traditional way because of unpredictable interactions among the 2 different transfer ways using some shared code ?

    Better safe than sorry, right ? Wouldn't it be better to make sure before any player gets upset loosing their loaded pack animals or riden loded blue beetles while using a regular transfer token ?

    I do not know others, but personally, I am concerned enough to prefer to wait using a regular transfer token along with loaded pack animals unless I hear more about it and I feel safe to use loaded pack animals with a regular transfer token after the publish that introduced Shard Shield transfer.....

    I mean, if no parts of code are shared in any way by the 2 separate ways of transferring then I do not see how the regular transferring could get troubled because of a different transferring way with Shard Shields, but we do not know how they have been coded and whether there is any shared code between them.

    Perhaps it is better to ask Mesanna ?

    just a thought........
     
  18. Petra Fyde

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    I'm sorry, if you want to ask her that you'll have to do it yourself.

    I ask her how things work.
     
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    I thought I was also asking "how" the new transfer works in relation to the old, traditional way, perhaps more in detail at the software code level rather than at the more visible play level only but nonetheless, the question seemed to me pertaining to the "how things work"......

    Oh well.........
     
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    They do disable all transfers to/from Origin when new releases are pushed there prior to being applied to the production shards, right?
     
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    I do! And I ain't telling their names! :p
     
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    so I guess no answer to my question yet ... (*insert pancakes here* hehe)
     
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    Hehe. I been waiting almost a year on a question from the devs and never ever have I gotten a response. :wall:
     
  24. Zosimus

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    Hmmmm....wait is that the shard you all held the surprise b-day party for Petra on?

    *goes looking for that screenshot*
     
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    It's time to delete that forum anyway. Just another reminder of broken commitments.
     
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    Popps, Publish 73 was released to all the other shards besides Origin 12 days ago.

    Eight days ago, I made a character transfer between shards using a regular purchased transfer token and three loaded pack animals. I had no problems whatsoever with the pack animals showing up, or with the items in my character's backpack or bankbox showing up.

    I tend to doubt that I'm the only person in the last twelve days who has successfully made a character transfer using a purchased transfer token and loaded pack animals.

    But then again, who knows? If you believe everything you read here, almost everyone owns at least one or two 14-year-old accounts! Maybe I'm the only person still playing who's not too proud to admit I haven't played since UO started and still have to use purchased transfer tokens if I want to move my nooblet characters around.

    ;)
     
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    Well, that's good news to hear that transfers have been done smoothly with loaded pack animals still, sometimes bugs have weird ways of showing up when one least expects them to show up (and that's why some bugs are very hard to find and reproduce...) and I would be glad to hear that the 2 different ways to transfer use entirely different and separate code to handle the transfers......

    My great concern is "in case" any of the code handling transfers is "shared" between the 2 systems. I'd feel much better if I knew for sure that for Shard Shield transfers an entire new code has been written and that nothing is shared with the former regular transfer system. This, because of the different ways pets are handled.
     
  28. Lady Storm

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    Yes, that is the one time the transfers of any kind dont work from or to Origin.
    Most times they are short termed, unless you all miss stuff when testing on TC1.
     
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    Just and additional FYI, you cannot transfer between ANY shards with different versions. Not just Origin.
     
  30. Aboo

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    I truly hate to appear ignorant, but I have a question or maybe two that I am not sure has been answered (at least to where I understand). I haven't really been following what the new vet rewards are until just recently and I want to be as informed as I can be before I choose them.

    Regarding the Shields:

    1. It says you need to choose what shard when you first claim it. Should it be your home shard that you pick at this time?

    2. "Q. How often are tokens generated?

    A. Once per month per active accounts" Does that mean you can transfer to whatever shard the token is for once a month?

    3. Are the tokens that are generated, random?

    If anyone can in simple terms explain the purpose of the Shields, I would so very much appreciate it!
     
  31. Mirt

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    The shard you pick can be shard, but the shard that you pick is the shard that a token will be created for once a month. If you pick GL then your always going to get a token to go to GL.
     
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    Non transferable shields which will generate one non-transferable transfer token per month redeemable for a transfer to the shard represented by the shield.

    As an example. If you chose the [​IMG] Chesapeake Shield, that shield would generate a transfer token to Chesapeake shard once per month.

    I haven't really worked out exactly what you'd use them for, since you would need another shield for your home shard, or a regular transfer token, if you wanted to return.
     
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    And I would add, forever as long as UO exists or this is changed.........

    That is, a Veteran player who picks a Shard Shield representing Atlantic, and has it for, say, 3 years, will get 36 tokens all to the same Shard, Atlantic..............

    I still think it would have been way, but way better to allow the Shard to be changed from one month to the other........
     
  34. Aboo

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    So you should NOT pick your home shard when you originally pick your token? You should pick the shard you wish to go to once a month?

    Seems like it would be more helpful if you got a token each month to a different shard so you could explore each shard instead of the same one each month.
     
  35. kleos

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    in theory, if you pick your home shard on your home shard, you could generate return tokens for a round trip, and not have to worry about a house when you get to your destination.

    If you really get into it, you may need multiple of your home shard to keep up with all the Xfers.

    170 months, I have 21 of 25. I wish I remembered what i pissed the other 4 away on.... this could be fun.
     
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    As the Shard Shields currently work, regardless whether one picks one's own home shard or any other, the Shield will always crank out, 1 per month, account bound tokens to that shard, period.

    So, unless a player has reasons to go to a given shard frequently, the Veteran Player will eventually end up with a large stock of unused account bound tokens all to that same one shard..........

    As I said, I would have personally much more favoured the ability to change the represented Shard once per month thus allowing the same one Shield to still give 1 accout bound token per month, the limitation would all stay there, but at least allow variety of the shard that one could visit, once per month.

    I mean, this Veteran Reward has lots of tough limitations like being account bound, not allowing to carry along loaded pack animals, to make available only 1 token per month, it requires a home where the Shield is locked down in order to produce 1 token per month.

    That is pretty much heavy limitations, IMHO. I do not think that merely allowing the represented Shard to be changed from one month to the other, maintaining all of the other limitations, would have been a big deal at all.

    Yet, it would have made this high end Veteran Reward more flexible and more enjoyable for players.

    I still hope that the Developers might consider making such a change.
     
  37. Aboo

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    Considering what you have said and what else I have read, I doubt I will be wasting a 14 year vet reward on something that is so very limited and really not very useful. Thank you for taking the time to extensively explain it to me.
     
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    I love the shield, but I wish they'd make it smaller. It looks pixelated and makes it hard to work it into decor, especially when you have more than one.
     
  39. kleos

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    I think they designed it specifically so that one vet reward selection would NOT let you hop scotch all over the shards. Remember, they do sell tokens, they aren't going to completely gut that market.
     
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    Ok I'll help Petra's correct explanation out for you too.

    This is what I did to my 2 choices for my son.
    I put up a Origin Shield on his Atlantic house and a Atlantic Shield on our Origin Vendor shop.

    This gives him the ability to take my mover character back and forth 1 time each way every month if he requires to do so.

    The Shield can hold up to 10 transfers and no you dont need to have the return shield on the shard you want to visit.

    Every 30 days you will earn a token up to 10 max for that shard the shield represents.

    No random shard tolkens just the shard you pick.

    Your not stuck to put the Shard Shield on the returning shard. All shields can be on your home shard if you so choose. You can place them all at 1 location and just collect the tokens as such:

    Lets say you have a wall of the Shields (hypotheticaly it can be done)
    Example of trip:
    A rare fest is set for Sakura soon you wish to go and shop and sell off a few items there...
    You would go to the Shield wall and collect a Token from the Sakura shield and one from your home shard.
    Your all set.
    Your allowed your full bank and what you can carry on your person, counting in the two tokens in this number. Dont forget you can wear items to go too. All pets must be stabled. NO PACKIES like with Transfer tolkens, sorry.

    You know Petra there might be a suguestion for Mesanna on the Siege and Mugen Shields.. let transfers between those two Shards happen to each other.... They both are Siege ruleset so it should not hurt the balance.
     
  41. Aboo

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    Can I pester you just a bit more to clarify this a little more for me please?

    If I choose to take a shield for Great Lakes and my home shard is Lake Superior, I will be able once a month to go to Great Lakes and take and/or bring everything on my person and in the bank to that shard. Do you then have a return token to get back home? Does it come with 2 shields, the one you choose and your home shard?

    Thank you very much for helping to clarify this for me, I really appreciate it.
     
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    Ok Aboo ill see if i can clairify this for you.

    You pick a Shard shiled for your home shard and one for the shard you want to visit. So that will be 2 choices from your rewards menu. Meaning a Shard Shield for Lake Superior and Shard Shield for Great Lakes.

    You can place both in your home on Lake Superior and collect both tokens. Your trip to Great Lakes and back are then covered. You may do this every month if you like. Remember though if you use the token to Great Lakes you must stay over 24 hours then you may use your return token to go home.

    Hope this helped.
     
  43. Aboo

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    So you HAVE to make 2 choices from the rewards menu (use to vet rewards) in order to be able to get back home from whatever shard you visited, right? That's the part that is confusing me. I would have thought that if you were just going to visit and not transfer, then a return token would be included when you go to the other shard. I guess I am incorrect in that thought.
     
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    Its a free token. This may sound petty but enjoy what your getting anyone else has to spend $20 for what your getting.
     
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    Well, the 2 items are not comparable.......

    The one that is sold is free to use, transferable, allows to carry along up to 5 loaded pack animals. The one that is free comes with a whole lot more limitations so, as I see it, in terms of value it is worth a lot less given all of the limitations.......
     
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    I do not think it would have been much of a problem at all considering that there is only very few 14th year Veteran active accounts out there and that the limitation of 1 transfer token per month would have allowed only to a round trip every 2 months even if the represented shard had been allowed to get changed from one month to another.

    I do not have the numbers, of course, but I think we may be talking of a very low amount compared with the entire revenue budget of Ultima Online...........

    Not to mention, that all of the other limitations (account bound, no loaded pack animals, house required) make this means of transfer a lot less flexible and thus less interesting than the purchaseable one.....

    So, I am still convinced that allowing the represented Shard to be changed from one month to another would have not been a big deal at all while making this high end Veteran Reward a little more flexible and interesting to Veteran players.
     
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    From reading what you've written, you have no clue how these things work.
    To have a "round trip", you use 2 vet picks, one for your home shard and the other for some different shard. There is NO ROUND TRIP if you only choose one shield. You MUST have two shields to make round trips a reality.

    As far as I'm concerned your comparing apples and oranges. The vet reward shields, from what I can see are more for "visiting" other shards rather than the all out move. You want an all out move with packies and all, show em your gold.

    I think they do what they are meant to do, no adjustment needed. Just my 2 GP worth. I've made my choice of home shard and my first visiting shard, next year I'll add a shard or to to the "visitation rotation".
     
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    Ok then I agree its limited so take your $10 item that you get once a month. Accept that its a great deal and if you pick 2 shields you can visit two shards taking your bank box and 125 items plus your suit with you. Its a great deal as it is and I am sure tons of people myself included would be jumping for joy if we could get it.
     
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    From what I understand Se'an has it right. I am hoping now that accounts are aging we will have some confirmation. They are powerful enough as is and a worthy gift for 14 years of loyalty to the brand.
     
  50. Sevin0oo0

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    was just thinking of that... as simple as it sounds, people MUST have an open char slot on the shard they're transferring to.
     
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