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shield question

Discussion in 'UHall' started by woody, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. woody

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    does anyone know if the shard shield are able to be transfered . for instance can pick it on a 14 yr acct and give it to a younger acct and have that 11 yr acct lock it down in there house and get tokens
     
  2. Kayne

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    This has been asked in various other threads and no one knows just yet
     
  3. Tazar

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    Given that the 10th year rugs have to be in a house owned by a 10 year old account and even then the prize can only be claimed by the 10 year old account... my guess is - that will probably not work. But at this point - nothing is certain.
     
  4. this is directly from the uoherald post

    The token is account bound, so they can not be traded or sold. If you have a shield in your house and the house decays the shield will disappear.
     
  5. Viper09

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    This is all we know for certain. So at this time your question has no true answers yet.

    *looks in hope of a dev lurking the forum*
     
  6. THP

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    Basicaly because its a 14th year gift 2-3-4% of UO players can actually use them....

    If they made it like 10 years gift then maybe 25% could use them...

    And a 7 year gift??? maybe 50% of players......

    whatever..... will be will be.....but it will be huge huge huge advantage for those that have them....
     
  7. THP

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    and b4 all you trollers start....yes the figures are plucked out the sky but its called''a little bit of common sense''......[end].
     
  8. Mesanna

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    The 14th year shield has to be locked down in a house, after locking it down you can dbl click it and get the specific shard transfer token the shield represents. The shield will spawn another token each month. These can not be sold they are account bound. You must stable your pets before attempting to transfer. So pick your shields wisely!

    ps Doesn't matter if you do not own the house, you can be friended or co owned , the shield just has to be locked down and only the owner of the shield can use it.

    Mesanna
     
  9. Viper09

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    Thanks!

    So can one change the shield after using it? I'm going off the idea that one can wait two months to get 2 tokens that can serve a round trip going from shard A to B and back to A.
     
  10. Kayne

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    No there is no round tripping Viper. The token is only TO the shard the shield represents. There is no return unless you use two rewards and get a shield for your home shard as well as where you want to go

    EDIT - sorry if i misunderstood and this is exactly what you were referring to
     
  11. Viper09

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    So there is no way to change the shard the shield represents? Tis what my question was.
     
  12. Kayne

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    That I can't answer - hopefully mesanna is still lurking and can answer that part of it for you :)
     
  13. Sevin0oo0

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    so u just have to find a friend on the TO shard, get friended, have token thing locked dn There Also, so you can come back. Or they can come to you, and you can send them back. makes sense.
    Just don't pick a shard you'll never use, perma oopsie
     
  14. Mirt

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    I only hope this doesn't cut into the revenue that the transfer tokens were making EA. I want to make sure there is no excuse for the EA suits to cut even more people.
     
  15. Kayne

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    You can just have both shields in your house on atlantic and take the token FOR atlantic with you when you travel TO great lakes
     
  16. Viper09

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    Reason for the question is that if it spawns monthly the idea is that someone can accumulate numerous of them to use later. And if you can change the shield then with a bit of patience you should be able to do a round trip. Get token to one shard, change shield then get token to the other shard a month later.
     
  17. Kayne

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    Aye I get the reason for the question, my thought is they wont allow that since it will be a sure fire way to kill some of the revenue they get from transfer sales now. Making you pick multiple vet rewards however means people will be less inclined to grab 10 shields for different shards
     
  18. jack flash uk

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    hopefully the shield can be sold like the teleporter tiles, howeverthe vets can decide on price!

    then main point is

    can non 14 year vets use them like tiles

    so a 7th year like me can buy and then enjoy the xfer tokens?
     
  19. Kayne

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    Jack take a look at the quoted bits mate you'll see the answer to your question there.

     
  20. Viper09

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    True that. I imagine many 14 year vets may have saved a fair number of vet rewards so...yeah. You may be right on that. But a return token would be a nice idea. There is only so many uses if it really is a one way thing unless you, as many have said, get two of them.
     
  21. Sevin0oo0

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    reg xfer token = 20mil, and since you can sell these tokens, albeit they're limited slightly in function, they should be worth 10-15mil @mth? nice present indeed
     
  22. Kayne

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    No Sevin you can't sell the tokens from a shield - they are account bound
     
  23. Sevin0oo0

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    oh, ok, sorry, i thought it was just the shield that couldn't be sold -
    Thanks Kayne
     
  24. atlanticScorpion

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    The Tokens the spawn for the shield can not be sold but does the shield start off as a token like a sole stone or attendent token that become account bound when you redeem it for the shield?
     
  25. Salivern_Diago

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    Mesanna, could you confirm if there are any restrictions to the Shield? Is that too account bound or age restricted?
     
  26. Lord Frodo

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    That is the $10M question!!!
     
  27. slayer888

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    I am quite sure when its saying account bound is that:-

    The tokens it generates only work for the same account who claimed the VET reward.

    In another words, it can't be traded which is the main purpose what the DEVs want to be.

    So when the original account who double click the token can go through the transfer process.... whilst if it was another account who double click the token will say you are not on the same account (which is same as the current functions of soul stones).


    This is how I intepret, not sure correct or not.
     
  28. Lord Frodo

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    We understand about the token being account bound. IE Who ever dbl clks the shield get a token and it is bound to that account.

    What we want to know is the Shield itself account bound/are restricted. IE I give the shield to one of my other younger accounts or sell it to a player that is not 14 yrs old, will they be able to lock the Shield down and collect the token is what we are trying to find out.
     
  29. Xalan Dementia

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    messana posted in another thread that only the owner of the shield can dbl click it. So i believe that means the person who placed it. Assuming its like the other resource/item giving rewards it will most likely take a 14 year account char to place the shield therefore being its owner.
     
  30. Petra Fyde

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    1. both the shield and the tokens it produces are account bound
    2. the shield must be locked down in a house. This can be a house you're merely friended to.
    3. only accounts 14 years old can claim, and therefore use, the shield.
    4. Pets must be stabled for transfer - therefore you cannot take loaded packies.
    5. The shield only produces tokens for one shard, the one represented by the image.

    Possible uses?
    I would see this as possibly being used to gradually shift every character on an account to a new shard - emigration.

    I would see a pair of them being used by people who play 2 shards to travel back and forth between them. For example:
    Player has 2 accounts. One account has a house on (eg) Atlantic
    The second account has a house on (eg) Origin.
    Account 1 is 14 years old and can travel. Account 2 is younger, and can not. Account 1 claims a shield on Atlantic for Origin and transfers a char to an empty slot on Origin. Once there the account claims a shield for Atlantic and locks it down in the Origin house. This is how the char gets back.

    The only other way back is to buy a regular shard transfer token.
     
  31. Aurelius

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    As suggested though, if you place two shields in your main house, one for that shard and one for the second shard, surely you can take one token from each shield, use one to travel to the second shard and the other to come back 'home'?
     
  32. Poo

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    thats exactlly what im gonna do.

    get one for atl and one for sonoma.

    place them BOTH on sonoma.

    then im gonna delete one of my toons on atl.

    then ill have one guy on sonoma, say my nox mage, he will be my runner.
    so if i ever need to bring something from atl to sonoma, ill log in, get my token from the atl shield, then get a token from my sonoma shield.

    ill use the atl token to go to atl, get what i needed to bring back, bank it, then use the sonoma token to go home again.
     
  33. Petra Fyde

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    I think that's probably possible. I have seen nothing to suggest that you can't take a transfer token off shard with you. :)
     
  34. popps

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    From reading the release notes, which only refer to the generated "transfer tokens" as being "account bound", one would understand that the actual Shard Shields, once claimed by a 14th Year Veteran account, can be transferred over to a lower age account. And, personally, I think it would also be good for many Veteran players who have secondary accounts, often of a lower age.

    But we do not know for sure as of yet, because noone has yet posted saying that any of them was transferred succesfully nor I have read any clarification post about it from a developer. Other questions about this new Veteran reward also remain unanswered still........
     
  35. Salivern_Diago

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    Petra, where was it confirmed that the shield was account bound. The only reference I can find is that only the shield owner could get a token from it after placing it in a house.

    Are you 100% sure the shield is account bound?
     
  36. popps

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    I am not sure I also see this "huge" advantage from this reward.

    I mean, "if" the Shard Shield is not randomized but is fixed for good on a given shard, and the tokens are account bound, realisticaly, how many times a player might need to transfer always to the same shard over, say, a year ? Of course this varies from player to player, but talking about "average need", and considering that over the course of a year, 12 months, a "fixed location" Shard Shield will generate 12 tokens all to that same shard, I wonder how many players will make use of all of them in that time span.

    My opinion, is that in several cases, a lot of these account bound transfer tokens for that same one shard will be left building up and taking up storage space.

    Considering that often one needs a trip back, this means also stocking up account bound tokens from a second shard shield to the source shard. So, over the course of 12 months, another 12 tokens which not necessarily will all be used up........ More tokens taking up space.....

    Sure, I am convinced that there will be Veterans who will use them all and use that free transfer once a month every month, I am just saying that "on average" I personally do not think that players transfer this often to a given, specific shard.

    I would have more favoured a daily randomized shard location at maintainance so that Veterans could decide, every month, to which Shard pick their account bound transfer token and thus avoid unnecessary build up of the same one tokens over time.
     
  37. popps

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    I bolded and increased size of the relevant part of your answer for this question.

    Are you perhaps saying that now when transferring it is no longer possible to transfer carrying along pack animals containing items that need to be transferred ??

    Seriously ?

    Pack animals containing items cannot be stabled and if it is a required condition to transfer pets that they are stabled, this conflicts with the need to carry along pack animals containing items for the transfer......

    Also, what about Blue Beetles which can be mounted by a character while carrying items ? Would a mounted Blue Beetle (not stabled) carrying items, transfer along with the mounting character?

    Could you please clarify this ?

    Also, this is only for Shard Shields generated transfer tokens or also for the regular transfer tokens we have been used to ?

    I am asking, because for the regular transfer tokens it has always been possible to carry along pack animals containing items (i.e. not stabled....).

    Thank you for you answer.
     
  38. Salivern_Diago

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    I believe the way things have been worded (And considering that there has been no notification of a change for a store bought Xfer) that it would just be for these only. And rightly so IMO.
     
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    As I understand it from Mesanna's answer (but I do not like this fixed location design, though....), the location of the Shard Shield is permanently locked on whatever Shard has been chosen when selecting the reward from the Gump.

    So, even carrying the Shard Shield onto the "TO" shard and having a friend there with a house to lock it down to generate another token after a month has lapsed, won't help because the token will always and foverer be the exact same of that Shard that was chosen when selecting the reward.

    I will make an example.

    Say that the home shard of the Veteran player is Atlantic. This player has interest in going to Pacific. is eligible for the 14th Year Shard Shield Reward so brings up the gump and picks a "Pacific" Shard Shield reward. Locks it down the home on Atlantic and generates the Pacific Transfer token.
    Uses the token and goes to pacific carrying along the "Pacific" Shard Shield. There, gets a friend with a House, locks the Shard Shield down and waits the following month. When the time comes, while on Pacific (the Veteran player wants to return back to Atlantic...), the player uses the locked down "Pacific" Shard Shield and will get.......... another Pacific transfer token................ NOT an Atlantic transfer token.

    A round trip could only be possible by using up TWO Shard Shield rewards, one for Atlantic and one for Pacific. While on Atlantic, the veteran players locks down BOTH shields and generates 2 account bound tokens, one for Pacific and one for Atlantic. At that point, there is no need to carry along the Atlantic Shard Shield to use it while being on Pacific locked down in a house, one can bring only the Atlantic token to transfer back.

    It would have been MUCH better, IMHO, if it was possible to change the shard location of the shield and not have it fixed for good on the picked Shard. This would have saved up veteran Rewards picks for those who do not need intensive transferring.
     
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    I definately agree that it would be MUCH better if the shard location was possible to be changed from one month to another. It would definately save up reward picks at least for those veterans who do not need to transfer so often (with a fixed and permanent shard location they would just end up with a lot of tokens all to the same shard which they will seldomly use...). It would also allow for more varied transfers over several of the many existing shards and not to always the same fixed ones as it is with a permanent location Shard Shield.

    A lot of low transfer players could perfectly handle their transfer with just 1 shard shield pick "if" the shard location could change from one month to another.

    As it is now, unfortunately, from what I understand, to make a round trip one has to use up 2 veteran reward picks for the source and destination shards......
     
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    Personally, I think that the fixed shard location AND the stabled pets requirement (i.e. no loaded packies transferred) make the usability of these tokens way, but WAY less interesting that it may look at first.

    I am not sure how many 14th Year Veterans will actually be interested in using up their high end picks for a reward that is so much limited in its usability.

    What if the 14 Years Veteran player, after playing so many years has, for example, a large home (a Castle ?) and full bank boxes to transfer for a full shard migration ?

    How would this long time Veteran player be able to ever do a full migration to another shard not being able to use pack animals to carry along items ??

    With such an extreme limitation, I cannot possibly see these account bound Shard Shield transfer tokens as intended for a full migration to another shard.

    On the contrary, they appear to me to be for a mere "visit" to another shard where one does not need to carry along much items.
    But then, one would ask, if they have been intended for a simple "visit", why not take into account the need for a "return" to the home shard and thus the need for a round trip ??
     
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    I think the way it works is perfect IMO. Its a veteran reward that has uses and saves some money. If you dont xfer that often, then you wont pick the shield. Its common sense really.

    At the end of the day, a 14 year vet gets a limited premium product for free. Yes its to one shard only, but alot of people only go to certain shards anyway. Depending on the restrictions of the shield (Age/Account) Ild happilly buy half a dozen of these for certain shards. Its an awesome gift and sits alongside the House teleporter tiles as probably the most useful.

    They shouldnt change them in any way shape or form. They are fine as they are, as I've said before Vets should be greatful for getting free xfers rather than complaining. Or would you rather another Ethy to add to the list? Or maybe a deco Lockdown?
     
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    Popps, I've seen alot of your protests about the Shields, yet no-other Vet seems to be complaining. What is it you actually want from the Devs?

    Free xfers to all shards forever?

    It isnt going to happen and I for one am starting to get annoyed with the constant complaining you are doing. If you dont like it then dont take it otherwise stop saying the same thing over and over everytime you get a chance. I'm begining to wonder if you have other motives about this, are you one of these many brokers who make real money out of UO? Is that why you complain so much about these? Hmmm? Whats your real motivation for all this?

    They are fine as they are, in fact they are a brilliant reward for 14 year vets and I bet my entire account that the you'll find 100 more players who would love the shield/token for every complaint you can make about it.

    Please just accept it or stop complaining, it really does smack of greed.
     
  44. Petra Fyde

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    Yes, I'm pretty sure of what I said. I believe Mesanna meant us to understand it that way. The Shield is account bound.

    Popps: No where did anyone say it is no longer possible to transfer with pets. These shields are a special item veteran reward. They do not replace the existing transfer token, nor do they function in the same way. If you wish to transfer with loaded pets, buy a regular token as normal.
     
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    As I have said in my posts, I do understand that for someone who transfers often, and most always to the same shards, this Reward can come handy and usefull. Just pick up 2 14th Year Vet Rewards and go back and forth for free between 2 shards once per month.

    My discussion, as you also point out in your post, is about those 14th Year Veterans who do not have the need to transfer so often and not always to the same shards. For them, as I see it, this Reward does not look much appealing at all since a fixed location Shard Shield only and always will generate tokens to that same one Shard which will build up month after month when the player has little need to go back and forth the same 2 shards.

    I was trying to bring up the discussion that for Veteran players who do not have such a frequent need to transfer to few selected shards, but who would certainly enjoy to "visit" a shard here and a shard there, just out of curiosity, every couple of months, a different way that these Shard Shields worked (i.e. not with fixed, permanent locations but with the locations possible to change, whether daily if random or monthly if selectable), would have accomodated the different needs of both the Veteran players with need for frequent travels and the needs of Veteran players who do not need to transfer so often but would certainly enjoy visiting from time to time other shards.

    My suggestion (changeable Shard Shield location), was simply intended to accomodate a wider range of players even if their transfer needs are different.
     
  46. how many times do you need to explain your idea? does everyone need to tell you this is a dumb idea? well this is a dumb idea.

    if a 14 year vet does not have a need to transfer often, then they can pick something else. stop trying to complicate things.
     
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    So, do I understand it correctly that the actual software code that handles the transfer is different whether one uses a regular transfer token or these account bound Shard Shield transfer tokens ?

    The reason I am asking, is for bugs.

    If pets not stabled will be left behind when using a Shard Shield generated transfer token, are we sure that when using a regular Transfer Token things WILL GO all fine and dandy and loaded pack animals WILL BE regularly transferred along and not suffer some nasty "bug effect" if the transfer code is "shared" by the 2 different transfer systems ??
     
  48. Petra Fyde

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    I have no idea popps, my crystal ball isn't working today.
     
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    When the sheilds become available I'm sure this will be tested. Noone knows for sure right now, but since this item is only available for 14th year vets and it's limited in use and the system to transfer is different, I'm sure that this publish will be on Origin at least long enough for them to be tested, tested and RE-tested. If I had a 14 year account I would probably be the first one to get it and test away lol, but I would expect this publish to be on Origin for AT LEAST a month, since that's the only way these will be able to be tested.
     
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    Fair enough Popps, I see where you are coming from now. Maybe there will be an incentive to xfer from the Devs in the near future? Or like the House teleporters, other ways to aquire them?

    As for testing then, you cant test the xfers on Origin as its now running on a different publish to the other shards. You can only xfer when the two shards have the same pubish on them.