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Shield Shards are Just Plain Wrong !

Discussion in 'UHall' started by DawgOfWar, Nov 1, 2011.

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  1. DawgOfWar

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    If these are to be available, they need to be first year. Props to those that have been around for 14 years, but a basically unlimited amount of shard jumping will give the owners such a huge advantage over less tenured players that most aspects of the game will be affected.

    I for one have 6 rewards left. Once a month I will be able to travel back and forth from the three most populated shards moving goods at will. It will be great for me, I am gonna bank millions/billions a month just by buying low and selling high from shard to shard. I may even charge people just to transport stuff for them.

    In a nutshell, I am being given $120 in product value a month for sticking it out for 14 years.

    Thanks for the gift! Too bad so many others get left out. They didn't have to go though all the problems I did to keep playing.

    Oops ! I forgot they did go though the pain of the Account Migration.

    Guess the other less important/ Tenured players don't matter anyway !
     
  2. Pfloyd

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    all vets will be doing this...all items will eventually balance out to closer to each other.
     
  3. Woodsman

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    The game is not overrun with 14 year vets who have half a dozen rewards left to move between the top 3 three shards. You're doing it wrong anyways, since you can skip returning to your home shard and just hop from Atlantic to Pacific to GL to LS or whatever and then back to your home shard.

    And it's not "unlimited", it's once a month.

    There are plenty of people who already cross-shard, and there are plenty who are basically doing it for free - those gold resellers easily have their cross-shard costs covered.

    In fact, the only people this could hurt in the long term is the existing cross-shard resellers. That's assuming there are a lot of 14 year vets with plenty of rewards left.

    I have a feeling that they made sure there weren't that many who qualify because a drop in revenue from cross-shard tokens is not something that they could easily justify to upper management.
     
  4. Martyna Zmuir

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    Maybe.

    If they do 'balance out,' it will be on the higher end of today's scale.
     
  5. wanderer1origin

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    takes a house i see replacing houses atl pacific and gl and doing this with maybe 3 in asian shards as i have at least 6 8 rewards left to claim in 3 months so, hard core die-hard players most dont move shards why they did this!!!!!!!!! no loss in revenue from them meaning 14 yr also need a house so have to place trade houses a bit takes work lol!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Pfloyd

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    nah, if something is cheaper anywhere people will price it at that price since it's easier for people to get. The added 20M/40M for transfer won't even be thought of anymore.
     
  7. UOPlayer4LYFE

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    Could have sworn they were called Vet Rewards.
     
  8. Dermott of LS

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    ...

    Personally, I'm against shard Xfers in the first place, and at the very least I don;t think that items should be portable between shards. Your skills, stats, a set of newbie items (clothing, some gear) based on three of your top skills, and you gold should be all that xfer.

    I know the rares traders and some PvPers will disagree, but that's fine. I dislike shard specific items being taken off their home shards, there have been several dupes involving the system, and it's been a hassle.
     
  9. Black Majick

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    And playing UO for one year does make you a vet. I like the idea of them. I do not think they should be a 14th year veteran reward as this is something that could be usable by anyone, but a first year vet reward is not where they need to be either. 8-10 year would be a good number.
     
  10. I knew the unfair foul would come sometime. This one is hidden by some weak logic.

    Please....

    Now I say make it 13 years players cause that what I am.
     
  11. Trebr Drab

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    Cross sharding is a tool that's used widely by RMTers. And UO offers it for sale, and now as a reward for vets.

    I don't understand a game that wants to make things worse. I really don't. The hell with this nonsense. I'm done.

    Edit: Ha! The jokes is on me. I can't even log in to start packing up and tearing down.
     
  12. wanderer1origin

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    i will buy your account if you throw in popps too !!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. Black Majick

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    Okay...so what is an RMTer? New lingo for me.....
     
  14. Trebr Drab

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    Trebr Drab is not for sale.
    Make your own Trebr Drab, heh.
     
  15. Trebr Drab

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    Real Money Trade. Where scripting resides. And duping. And every other cheat except for PvP cheats.
     
  16. wanderer1origin

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    when you get out of high school look up sarcasm, your account probably isnt worth alot not to be hateful but both you popps post lack the idoc / pvp tack that would have interesting things, i dont pvp but lol !!!!!!!!! i can !!!!!!!!!!!
    if anything this levels game to mid level players to compete with scripters that buy up transfers with scripted gold from various methods i wont repeat here !!!!!!!!!!

    LOL!!!!!!


     
  17. Black Majick

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    Ahhh. Okay. Well I do x shard trading but dont sell any of the gold. Use it to buy rares resources I am too lazy to get. I also dont do it on the scale alot of peeps do it. I can say that those shields would be awesome for the scale in which I do things. That is for sure.
     
  18. kelmo

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    Keep it clean and above the belt...
     
  19. Trebr Drab

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    Sorry, I took it as a joke and added an edit to reflect that. Too late though. Again, sorry about that.
     
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    Maybe I'm missing something. This is an item that you put in a house, and it generates a transfer token to one-and-only-one shard once a month. This means that in order to be the unassailable master and commander of the shards you need:
    a.) a 14-year-old account
    b.) 24 * 25 = 600 free vet reward choices (24 on each shard to get to all other shards * 25 shards [Not counting Siege and Mugen, which you cannot transfer to or from])
    c.) since the shield must be placed in a house to generate tokens, 25 houses, one on each shard
    d.) and, oh yeah, since these transfer tokens are account-bound, all 600 of your vet reward choices and all 25 of your houses must somehow be on the same account.

    Now, if you want to tone down the hyperbolic extrapolation just a few hundred notches, you can go with the scenario of merely having the ability to transfer between just two shards. You only need to have 2 vet reward choices available to you (highly possible), but since the tokens are still account-bound, this requires that you somehow have two houses on the same account, an ability which is only possible for very old accounts with grandfathered houses.
     
  21. wanderer1origin

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    or have 6 houses and trade ownership out every month or two!!!!!! and claim one reward per shard
     
  22. Raptor85

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    That's silly, what some people will do is get shields for their home shard and other shards they play on for events. What a lot of traders will do is get them for a big shard like ATL and smaller ones like oceania and origin, the reason because things are significantly cheaper there, and now that there's no cost in cross sharding you'll see the economy on those shards significantly affected by this (all major goods will most likely be bought out and transferred far more often, leaving actual players on those shards over time paying more and having less available) It already happens but now it'll essentially be free, so there will be no reason for each of them to not do it once per month, even for cheaper things with less profit.
     
  23. Larisa

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    I think you guys need to calm down a bit :)

    We don't know exactly how they work or what they do...yet.

    Have patience, stop with the *What if's* and just wait for an offical word on what it is they exactly do before ya'll end up giving each other coronaries!

    Just relax people, no need to cry the sky is falling just yet :)
     
  24. wanderer1origin

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    yes i see it leveling prices in 2, 3 month window for all shards for consumer ables
    and making rare hunting idocing more interesting !!! prime example i cant sell boura pelts on origin but atl ones i do sell would sell for 3 times my price now will be some what happy medium
     
  25. Storm

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    Exactly I am sure we will have this clarified soon !
     
  26. wanderer1origin

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    give it a year we will have a multi shard auction house lol!!!!!!!!!! :)
     
  27. Poo

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    you know what i like about these shields?

    that they are gonna hopefully shut up the "lets kill shards and make everyone play on one shard" Busy Bee's.

    cause these will in essence make all shards one.
    well.... in 14 years.
    or less if you've been playing some already.

    what i DON'T like about them.

    show me a 14 year vet who doesn't already have 7 toons on each shard!

    now i have to decide what guy on ATL i wanna kill off so i can move a guy back and forth from Sonoma to there!!!
    (its gonna be the lumberjack swords guy.... he never covers his part of the rent!)
     
  28. Sargon

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    Umm... most of them? Who has time to develop 7 characters on each shard?
     
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    Good point. We need an 8th character slot :)
     
  30. popps

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    I need to disagree with your opinion considering that 14th Year Veteran players have been supporting the game (and thus paying subscription fees) for all those many years. Considering, besides, that the transfer tokens generated are account bound, this is a nice gesture, as I see it, to come to the aid of players who spent already a good amount of their money to support the game over the course of 14 years.

    Besides, to my opinion, the whole logic of Veteran rewards is for them to be a way to interest players in maintaining their account as active so that they will also eventually benefit of that reward. The Rewards need, therefore, as I see it, to be appealing and attractive so that players make an effort to keep their account active to eventually reach the age that will make them eligible to claim the much wanted rewards.

    All this said, I must say that these Shard Shields will only be usefull "if" the Shard they represent varies, say daily at maintainance (since there is so many shards out there), and "if" they are allowed to generate a monthly account bound transfer token off of the bank box and not necessarily locked down in a Home (any given account can only have a home on 1 shard, period). Also, they should allow pack animals carrying items (i.e. not stabled) along with the transfer.

    Should the Shard Shield instead be permanently locked on a Shard, or need to necessarily be used locked down in a home, or not allow pack animals carrying items to be transferred along, this new high end (14th Year !!) Veteran Reward will be hardly usable and usefull, IMHO.

    Also, another condition to make this new high end Vet Reward usefull, considering that many Veterans have multiple accounts, is if the Shard Shields can be transferred to another account and generate transfer tokens account bound to that other account.
    That is, if the generated transfer tokens, once a month, are account bound but the actual Shard Shield is not account bound and can be transferred to another account to generate account bound transfer tokens for that other account it has been transferred to.

    So, to sum my opinion up, in theory it is a very good thing, in reality it really depends on how they work....
     
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    Well, at the very least "if" the Shard Shields were not account bound but transferrable to another account, those 14th Year Veterans who have multiple accounts could claim the Shard Shield on their 14th Year old account, transfer it to any of their other lower age accounts and use the characters of that other account for the transfer they need (of course assuming that not all 7 characters of that other account are all developed...).

    That is, as I see it, while I can agree that the one per month generated transfer tokens are to be account bound, I think the actual Shard Shields should not be, and possible to be transferred over to other accounts, for them to use them, to generate their account bound transfer tokens.
     
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    If I understand what you are saying, and if the Shard Shields really work as you describe, then my opinion is that they are a waste of design work for such a high end Vet Reward (14th Year !!) because their usability would be greatly limited, thus hardly making it worth, IMHO, the waste of a 14th Year pick to get them........

    Personally, I'd see them more fit if they worked this other way :

    a) - The once per month generated transfer token to be account bound but the actual Shard Shield not. That is, while the generated transfer token cannot be transferred to another account, the Shard Shield could so as to generate once per month account bound transfer tokens for that other account even if it did not claim the Shard Shield. This is especially important since this is such a high end Veteran Reward (14th Year !!!) and chances are, after these many years, that the Veteran has all 7 slots used up by characters all developed, who have learned Legendary Powerscrolls, Recipes and blah blah. Therefore, none of them 7 can be deleted to make room for allowing a given transfer on that account. At least, if the 14th Year Veteran player has an additional account, albeit a lower age one, they would be able to claim the Shard Shield on their 14th Year old account and then transfer it for use on their other account which can have any of the 7 slots characters deleted for transfer.

    b) - The Shard represented by the shield is not permanent, but changes. And I add, considering the very many shards existing, as you point out, that this shard change occurs every day at maintainance. This way, the player could monitor for a few days the shield until it represents the wanted shard for the account bound transfer token to be generated to and makes it. Then, the following month the player will be able to use the shield to generate another account bound token but to a different shard while using the same Shard Shield thanking to the ability to shift the represented shard, daily.

    c) - The Shard Shield could work off of the bank box and not necessarily need to be locked down in a house. This, because as we know, unless one has grandfathered homes, only 1 home can be had on any given shard, per account.

    There is a 4th condition I would add to really have these New high end Reward to be really handy and usefull, and I say it because I have read in a spoiler thread text that worries me.

    d) - That pack animals carrying items wanted to be transferred along with the transferring character, are allowed to be transferred along, even if they are not stabled. I am saying this, because the mentioned text says that transferring pack animals must be stabled, and we well know that it ain't possible to stable a pack animal that contains items.........
     
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    Are we sure that the Shield requires a house and can't be used without one?
     
  34. Petra Fyde

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    Lets defer this panic until we actually know how they work.
     
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