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Shiny New 0-GM Tinkering Training Guide

Discussion in 'UO Craftsman' started by Guest, Apr 27, 2004.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I noticed that the Tinkering training guide that is in the FAQ is very outdated as it still refers to the use of PowerHours, so I thought I'd write a new AoS-friendly guide whilst GMing my 5th Tinker (2 on Napa, 1 on Siege and now 2 on Europa).

    Before I started I laid down some rules and guidelines to adhere to:

    1. Loaded 500 Ingots and 20 Tinker Kits into backpack, nothing else
    2. Made items that require just 1 or 2 ingots so no (or very few) Ingots are lost upon fails
    3. All items made (up to 90 skill) to be sellable to NPC
    4. Put the following items on UO-Assist's 'hot sell' list: Scissors, Hammers & Lockpicks
    Skill Ingots Item Made

    00.0 - 27.5 NPC Bought

    27.5 - 45.0 1134 Scissors (2 Ingots Each)

    45.0 - 60.2 500 Hammers (1 Ingot Each)

    60.2 - 92.5 8040 Lockpicks (1 Ingot each)

    92.5 - 95.0 4868 Candelabras (4 Ingots Each)

    95.0 - GM 11953 Scales and Spyglasses (4 Ingots Each) - alternated every 500 Ingots

    Total Usage: 26495


    Points to note:
    1. If you are on Siege, you can easily get from 0 to ~30 skill by making spoons, knives and forks (1 Ingot Each)
    2. The hammers made where carpentry hammers, not smithing hammers
    3. When I reached 60.0 I still had 8 of my 500 ingots left so I just used them up, hence the extra 0.2
    4. From 92.5 - GM I put the 500 ingots into a bag and when the bag was full I took out any leftover ingots and threw the bag into a trash can
    5. Gains died at 94.5 on candelabras, but I made another 2 full bag's worth and they picked back up again
    6. From about 97.0 upwards the gains slowed dramatically. I found that after a couple of bags without gains I'd get 3-5 gains off the next one
    7. The last part from 95-GM I went through 38 bags with 95-105 in each before I binned it!

    That's it! 0-GM Tinkering in 2 days, using just under 26.5k Ingots!

    Hopefully the next expansion will bring us something good!

    Aladaria /php-bin/shared/images/icons/rainbow.gif
  2. Ni' Nah-lin

    Ni' Nah-lin Guest

    I just wanted to thank you for putting up this guide /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif I'm starting from scratch with a new tinker/miner on Pacific and it really helped a lot to be able to sell the items to get some extra money. Plus my mining isn't too great yet so it helps having to use less ingots. Thank you again for the wonderful guide and for helping us all /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif Hope they make this guide permant here.
  3. Garaba

    Garaba Guest

  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Great Guide...thanks for the help!
  5. sirAnger

    sirAnger Guest


    let's put this in the FAQ or something
  6. Appreciate the guide, I am finding alot of outdated material elsewhere also, appreciate that you took the time to give up some info.
  7. AmInEsT

    AmInEsT Guest

    Turn it into a sticky?!
  8. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Thank you everyone on your comments.

    I've just finished another tinker, this time she is going to be a Golem Controller for the new expansion. Thought I would record my progress again as there have been a few publishes since the last guide, my results were quite pleasing:

    Skill Ingots Item Made

    00.0 - 32.5 NPC Bought
    32.5 - 45.0 778 Scissors
    45.0 - 62.0 499 Hammers
    62.0 - 92.5 7,491 Lockpicks
    92.5 - 95.0 4,935 Candelabras
    95.0 - GM 14,137 Scales, Spyglasses &amp; Heating Stands

    Total Ingots: 27,840

    So by doing almost exactly the same as before it only took an extra 1,355 ingots, and that was probably only because I did it
    in more sessions this time so it took a few more ingots to get back into the gaining run when I restarted.

    Fingers crossed again for the expansion! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif If you are on Europa shard and see my tinker about, say hi! Her name is 'Evlyna'.

    Good luck!

    Aladaria /php-bin/shared/images/icons/rainbow.gif

  9. AmInEsT

    AmInEsT Guest

    Haa.. r u crazy over TINKERING?!?!
  10. Garaba

    Garaba Guest

    Hes not the only one whoes GMed to tinkers on one account. :p
  11. *jumping up and down raising his hand excitedly*

    Oooh, oooh! Me too, Me too!!!
  12. Jed

    Jed Guest

    Instead of scissors and hammers, just do clock parts (1 ingot) until you can do lockpicks.
  13. magik87

    magik87 Guest

    Will the NPC's buy clock parts though?
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    NPC Tinkers buy clock parts, but only pay 1gp each for them. Scissors sell for 6-8gp, and carpentry hammers can sell for anywhere between 9 and 18gp each and are also only 1 ingot each.

    Also gains are better when you make items that are increasingly difficult to make rather than making the same thing for a long time. You will end up using much more ingots and getting much less return on the items you make. That is why I don't take lockpicks all the way to 95 even though it is mathematically possible, it's not economical.

    Aladaria /php-bin/shared/images/icons/rainbow.gif

  15. JesterDev

    JesterDev Guest

    Thanks for the guide. I was thinking about adding tinkering to my mule but wasn't sure. Guess I will now. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

    If I remember correctly from the irc chat tonight as a tinker you will be able to enhance tinker made weapons with colored ores. Not sure if that's it though, I would hope not.
  16. Great Guide!

    Quick question....

    Who buys....

    Heating Stands

  17. magik87

    magik87 Guest

    Nobody. They are just the most economical thing to make at that stage (not that there are many options at that point). Make them inside a bag and then throw the whole bag in the trash can. PLEASE DO NOT lay your tinkered goods out all around the bank to show off your tinkering prowess!!
  18. Garaba

    Garaba Guest

    Best to find one of thoes Chests of Devouring
  19. Hmmmmm....just when yee thought yee knew it all!

    Shipwrights buy Spyglasses!

    For only 1 gp ... but at the end of your macro you could add "Vendor Sell" and as long as you are near a Shipwright .... poof they are all gone!

  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    That is interesting, would not be the most profitable thing ever but it will certainly save a lot of hassle with sorting everything into bags, removing leftover ingots etc.

    I'll look into it and add it to the guide, credit to yourself of course /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif

    Aladaria /php-bin/shared/images/icons/rainbow.gif

  21. Savior_On_GL

    Savior_On_GL Guest

    Does 8x8 help with Tinkering or can you GM Tinkering and spam at Brit Bank?
  22. Garaba

    Garaba Guest

    Nope, it is not a movemenet based skill
  23. wardragon50

    wardragon50 Guest

    At around 35 Tinkering, if you are serious about hitting Gm tinkering, and have the space at your house/bank, I switch over to tinker tools

    2 ingots like Scissors, and sell for like 1 gold, but you'll burn through them, so might as well stockpile them them when you can gain skill for them.
  24. tyoon21

    tyoon21 Guest

    WOW what a great guide!

    Quick question, I started to do spyglasses at 90 and found good gains. Has anyone else hade this luck?

    Great Lakes
  25. primeval

    primeval Guest

    got to 92.5 from npc bought with 9k ingots using keys, then lockpicks.

    im hoping i can gm with 10k ingots, but ill have to see.

    thanks for the guide, the more guides there are the better.
  26. primeval

    primeval Guest

    oh and my trick to not die of boredom is to watch a movie while i gain.

    it has always worked pretty good, the time and gains seem to go much quicker.
  27. den010

    den010 Guest

    **slight nudge**
  28. Guest

    Guest Guest

    *shameless bump*

    please don't hit me! *runs away*
  29. Barok

    Barok Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Aug 27, 2004
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    It's a shame when we can get a moderator to post in the thread but can't get a moderator to sticky it... nudge nudge

    *edit* heh ... I just notified the moderators of my own post to see if that will wake them up [​IMG]
  30. Garaba

    Garaba Guest

    your wish is my command
  31. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Yay! *hugs Garaba* I seem to be covered in glue on this forum recently! hehe

    The Tinker's forum is my home!
  32. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I just wanted to thank you for the guide, meet another gm tinker on legends. after 95. I went to spyglasses only and was getting gain's every other bag about 2 per bag took me about 10 hours from 95 to gm but I stoped and did some tamming here hunting there so take a coule of hours off maybe, again because of your guide Im sure It will help alot of people get to gm to. hopfully not to many on legends I am trying to run a busness you know :p
  33. Sheyleigh

    Sheyleigh Guest

    This is working well at the moment.
    84 to 88 with 1200 ingots!
  34. El of LA

    El of LA Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor

    Mar 23, 2005
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    Wow great guide Aladaria! Thanks!

    -- El
  35. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Yes it does work
  36. demortred

    demortred Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Jan 17, 2006
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    90-97.5 in twisted weald off satyrs... Ingot consumption? 2k. that included all the tinker tools I made an burned through. Most likely going to gm it with another 1k ingots.. *shrug*
  37. how do you get timkering gans from satyrs?
  38. rstake

    rstake Guest

    Awesome guide, man...i'm using it currently on my craftsman....nicely enough, he started working on tinkering yesterday from NPC bought and followed the guide....working on it today and he's currently at 94.5...so, i figure i can probably hit GM either today or tomorrow. then i can start on other stuff. =)

    excellent guide! glad to see it was stickied [​IMG]
  39. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Glad to hear it's still working and that it's brining good gains [​IMG]

    I'm currently finishing another crafter off from 87 tinkering to GM and I'm going to have a 'tinker' with what I make, see if there is any quicker way to make those last 10%!
  40. Silverbird

    Silverbird Slightly Crazed
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    Nov 3, 2001
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    You need a satyr to discord you. I wonder if another guilded player/char on a second acc would work too.
    I am just working (slowly) on a tinker and will probably go for spyglasses when my time comes to it. I will use them for the fitting request in heartwood. (Strangly the spyglasses quests gives tailor recipes, but I need them too. [​IMG] )
  41. gothelder

    gothelder Guest


    You need a satyr to discord you. I wonder if another guilded player/char on a second acc would work too.
    I am just working (slowly) on a tinker and will probably go for spyglasses when my time comes to it. I will use them for the fitting request in heartwood. (Strangly the spyglasses quests gives tailor recipes, but I need them too. [​IMG] )

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Players cannot discord players. If your getting disco'd to help with skill gain, then I am afraid your stuck with the satyr.
  42. mike8756

    mike8756 Guest

    where do you get a satyr?
  43. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I also want to say thanks..I seldome vist these forums..and am glad I dropped by.

    By the way...HUGS...The Mad Hugger strikes again...!

    ICQ: 232 551 927 [​IMG]
  44. vorius

    vorius Guest

    Has anyone GMed a tinker very recently? Are you finding similar results as Aladaria had several years ago? So somewhere around 27k ingots to GM ?
  45. Poo

    Poo The Grandest of the PooBah’s
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Campaign Benefactor 4H

    Sep 18, 2003
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    April 2008.

    just started on a new shard (cause im bored)
    had to GM Tinkering 3 times.

    1st time i did it the old way.
    clock parts, gears, lockpicks 60-90, heating stands at 90 to GM
    took just under 30k in iron and about 12-14 hours.

    2nd and 3rd time.
    about 9.5k in iron and 6 hours.
    started character with 50 skill.
    (or you can go to heaven and do the quest to 50, takes 5 minutes and you get the blessed tinker kit)
    clock parts to 60
    60-90 lockpicks.
    then i packed up, went into the satyrs with 3k on my guy.
    got discorded, make picks all the way to GM.

    so i 1/3 my iron usage and allmost 1/3 my time.

  46. yorky

    yorky Guest

    Just wanted to say thanks for the guide and thanks to Poo, I did the Satyr method from 87-100, used 2200 ingots total making lockpicks and it worked like an absolute charm.

    For those of you wondering how to use the Satyr's... *Note: if you have negative karma this wont work as everything in the dungeon will aggro you*

    1. Go to Heartwood and get the quest 'Dreadhorn' from Calendor NPC Details

    2. Then go the the Spirituality Moongate in Ilshenar, head west into the cave and then NW to the portal into Twisted Weald Dungeon Details

    3. You should see a few Satyr's where the sandy part starts, aggro it and lure it to the portal you entered to get into the dungeon.

    4. Once it has cast discord on you, immediately run out through the portal and straight back in again, the Satyr should have de-aggroed you but will continue to discord, now just stay close to that Satyr and start training which ever skill your working on.

    For obvious reasons not all skills can be trained using this method as you have to move around but for certain skills its very good, especially in that last 90-100 range.
  47. Basara

    Basara UO Forum Moderator
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    Jul 16, 2003
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    Nice bit of Thread necromancy.

    And there I was hoping that someone had updated his Training guide for SE & ML (and perhaps even SA), Like I'd been asking for the last 18 months.

    And, remember - you can donate those lockpicks to the Thief collector upstairs at the Britain Library collections.