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Should faction non-equipable costs be lowered?

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Speedy Orkit, Dec 31, 2009.

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Should non equipable faction items be lowered in cost on Siege?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    11 vote(s)
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  1. Speedy Orkit

    Speedy Orkit Grand Inquisitor
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    On Siege only. Items such as:

    Supernova
    Stam pot
    Special Bandies

    etc etc. The ones not armor related. The armor being cheap was what everyone had a beef with, but some of these items are pretty cool, but not worth the 20k it costs to buy the silver for them.
     
  2. Fanta(Siege)

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    ...Drop all faction gear prices by 5... rank 1=1k etc...
    ...Faction items of enemies can be turned in for half of the original value. rank 1=500 silver etc...
    ...If the above idea is not liked. Take the name tag off faction gear.

    If they did this i would be happy...:love:
     
  3. Speedy Orkit

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    This would require extra programming by dev team. I am just suggesting an easy code switch.
     
  4. Fanta(Siege)

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    EA gets vote for laziest dev team ever... all 4 of them...:sleep2:
     
  5. Sunchicken

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    I AGREE

    You got to prodo you get 25k silver you get a whole suit for the most part
    25k silver here gets you 1 rank 10 item
    I figure if it was lower cost maybe less people will have to have stealth, we get more high end battles, and maybe just maybe people will grow a pair and not pvp behing a over powered Greater Dragon.

    I love me some super nova pots i would use them like refreshes if they werent jack in silver cost.
     
  6. N49ATV

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    Maybe we can pitch this to the devs, though UHall is gonna be a **** show. But anything that brings more PvP is a good thing.
     
  7. Speedy Orkit

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    I offered up some great ideas for factions that had like 90% of Siege following it. Even non-faction members liked the idea. They don't care. It was like GG posted half a sentence on UOH and some dev decided to listen, and now we are all paying for it.
     
  8. WTF Everyone

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    It does not matter what gear costs on prodo. You only have to get it once anyway. As for the non-equipable stuff, are the prices different on prodo?
     
  9. Speedy Orkit

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    All prices on prodo are 5x lower than here on Siege...
     
  10. insanepete

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    think its 3x
     
  11. Speedy Orkit

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    I'm wondering why the "No" votes on this. Certain items I don't like and feel shouldn't even be on SP(Faction runes, mainly) but some items really aren't even as good as counter parts which cost 100gp. Such as the stam pots, the refill 100 stam over 5 seconds, a TR gives 100% stamina back. Shrine gems are actually almost BAD for you, as they can take you away from your body.
     
  13. N49ATV

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    Because people still have the mentality that this is the hard shard. Even if it means having no one to play with. I agree we gotta keep a few things old school, but the game changed, the atmosphere of players changes, we have to adapt too.

    Id be ok with lowering Faction prices down, if it meant more PvP for the shard. Id also be OK with changing rot times a bit, or re-activating SoA drops to get people past the massive time it takes to train things in RoT. I mean 6hrs is stupid to play to get your gains. Yeah you do a few skills at once. But then you get a SS or two, and go to train a diff skill, and only have one to do...ug

    Id be will to change a few things around the shard if it meant that we could double the active population. I mean, on average 20-30 peeps on a time id guess, If we have 50 or 60 running around (PvPers and PvMers) wouldnt the shard be better for it?

    Sure we are gonna get the odd U3eR 1337 Kids, but im sure we could change thier ways through siege justice.
     
  14. Tiberius

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    It did cost the same as prodo when it came out but some dumbass complained about it and got it changed. I am witht he whole "make pvp cheaper for everyone so more people will be able to afford to play". I wonder how many peopel are out there that would love to pvp non stop but just can not afford to drop 500k-1.5 mil per death.

    Imbuing helps alot but to get the dci you almost have to use faction arties.
     
  15. Freelsy

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    Hot damn, I agree with everything you just said.
     
  16. N49ATV

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    Faction or real arties.

    Im in that boat. Im poor, dont even have 1M in the bank. So when I go factions I have a feeling ill be on tamer for the first bit, just farming up silver to have about 3-4 suits. And when they are gone, ill be back on it. I wont be able to afford to rebuy 1M everytime i die. But thats how ill have to play.
     
  17. Freelsy

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    Speedy, or someone that know's how. Lets post a poll on UOhall and lets post in the "ask a dev" area. Lets try to get these damn prices lowered back to what it costs on the regular. 1000 silver per faction level. At the very least add some more damn silver farming spots...there are not enough of them and they are constantly camped...



    Lets make this happen and keep a strong voice on it.
     
  18. Sunchicken

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    I agree with you 100%

    I hate to break it to the people that think this is a hard shard. The only thing hard about this shard is the fact you cant push through monsters like you can in tram...
     
  19. Speedy Orkit

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    If we can get some more activity in this thread, I will.
     
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    100% agree
     
  21. N49ATV

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    I mean, I have been on the fence with item insurance here idea. I like the idea, because people wouldnt run and hide all the time afraid to lose the suit, but also defeats the purose of risk vs reward. So Im against it, but not like it hasnt flirted in my mind that it might help. But if we made farties cheaper, and maybe bumped the doom drop rate a bit, there would be more PvP all around. Between real arties and imbue, they could alteast compete without having to play factions.

    And if we could get more players over (even the PvMers) we would have more resources for imbue, more arti resources, more leather, more players for the PKs, more PKs out for the players of Justice to hunt. I just think if we asked for some changes, some that were accepted by our population, and could better the shard, even if it makes this not as much of the "Hard Shard" as some are stuck on.

    And on the sunchickens comment, the monster push is BS sometimes. I like it, but if I push through an elite ninja hidden in tok, i lose some stam, and it slowly regens. But in the mean time, I could have one stam less then max, and I cant run over a bunny on my mount :/ I know its probably no possible to change easy, but certain things shouldnt stop us. I mean a twig on the ground? Really? If I was on a trail, I could have a 10" log across the trail, and the horse would jump the damn thing....but im leaving the topic.

    Back on topic
     
  22. Speedy Orkit

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    I truly don't think insurance would be terrible on SP. Just increase the price by like 20 fold. 10k per insured item. And one RANDOM insured item drops upon death. Despite being insured.
     
  23. Førsaken

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    I PvP naked!
     
  24. Speedy Orkit

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    I wouldn't mind being able to bless NON faction arties that are blessable....would give Doom meaning again.
     
  25. N49ATV

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    Even if we could get a guild or two to come over with some changes, that would be much better. If each guild main faction guild could field 7-10 peeps one or two nights a week, and 4-5 each other night. Things would be doing good.


    *edit*

    One thing we all need to remember. 90% of the people we are trying to bring here, and true and true trammies. They have gone through most of thier life with item insurance. And before that we had standard items. People PvPed in GM leater, or naked as a mage. Dexxers used ring mail suits, a plate gorget, and a nose helm, or closed helm. So GM, which was cheap, if they didnt have thier own crafter as char #5. So they have gone thier whole life of UO, without any risk, or havent lost any of their items. So to get them to come here to our play style, we gotta either make it affordable, or easier to obtain the required items.

    One char slot is another reason people done come here. They are used to having a crafter, a tamer, a PvP char...whatever. Here they are forced to choose. Which is fine, but they are used to being able to craft peices for their suits as they need. I dont see why we dont get a 2nd, besides EA wants the extra cash per month. Most people have 2+ accounts anyway.
     
  26. Mr.StinkyPants

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    i would love to fight everynight but like tibs said or somebody, i cant afford the loss of my sweet suit, maby if i had another account that was a tamer it wouldnt be a problem cause then id just farm the silver all day and night, but for being a weak ass poisin ninja its a pain in the ass to farm silver...

    and if i do ever get another account i think i wanna go garg crafter not tamer
     
  27. kelmo

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    No.
    No insurance and all faction arties should be done away with.

    *shakes head*
     
  28. I feel ya brother.
     
  29. Damien Softstep

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    Ditto...
     
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    kelmo i agree no insurance i honestly think i would quit playing.
    insurance is ****ing stupid have always hated it, insurance ruined the game

    now as far as faction items i dont see any problem with them everyone can own them if there willing to adapt to the rest of the game and join factions

    but i do think all the faction prices are fine the way they are except the potions and bandages they should be lowered which is actually what this thread topic was
     
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    NO to insurance! Yes, to lowering faction items to the original prices. I didn't vote, though, because I'd like to see all the items lowered.
     
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    No Insurance, Delete Faction Arties, Every Other Month They Have A Spawned Event For A Week That Can Gived Cursed Ones Not Easily But To Make It Fun For Us To Do As Well As Get New Equipment.

    Or we can just lower the non equipable stuff as well.

    I am game for anything! :heart: Go Speedy
     
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  34. Spree

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    I think they should get rid of factions all together and put Chaos Order back on Siege and all guild must be in one.
     
  35. Hugibear

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    To me there are more pressing issues i would love to see. I would rather see something done about stealthing, and/or taming. The two together are way op. I would also love to see alacrities, or blackrock gains come back to the shard. The shard had such an increase in activities when these were around it made rot much easier to bare. Dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind the price being lowered but do you really think lowering the price is gonna draw people here. I dont, now if you got alacrities back on here and told people how to use them thru rot.
     
  36. Freelsy

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    Kelmo, how the heck do faction arties hurt your game style?? Lets all go back to wearing our regular cursed artifacts and one or two guilds will be dominant again. Hell I've got a couple hundred cursed arties locked away in my castle. Should we all start hoarding them again? So the new player cant participate? Yeah. Lets do that, because that helps Siege out. That is so dang stupid to hear people say get rid of faction arties. It has done nothing but leveled the playing field....besides, people like you that like to role play normally dont join factions...Dont ruin the fun for the majority because YOU think its not Siege like.
     
  37. kelmo

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    That semi blessed piece of crap system has no place on Siege. I used to like factions. It was about team work. Now it is about pixels and crying. Screw factions. It is ruined.
     
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    I can see where you are coming from with the crying portion. But if the prices were lowered to the original costs then there would be no bickering and crying about gear.
     
  39. kelmo

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    You know you can bless that crap on other shards? Just saying...
     
  40. Speedy Orkit

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    My one thought is this: With lower faction item cost you have

    -Less silver farming.
    -Less risk to the player.
    -Less grief over items.

    Leading to...

    -More time on the field
    -Players running more shown templates
    -A loss of maybe 300k a death?

    Faction arties HAVE helped in the sense the, along with imbuing, have evened the playing field.
     
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  42. Freelsy

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    Heh, you say this until you are constantly killed because you are in a non pvp guild but are forced to participate in the pvp system....I could imagine the complaining there would be then.
     
  43. Afterglow

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    what's the difference to now? with pk's around it's pvp by force ;)
     
  44. Shh!

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    This.
     
  45. Freelsy

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    Im talking about the times where your shopping around in town, or just hanging out in a safe zone. With Chaos - Order, there are no safe zones, which is great, but its not for everyone.
     
  46. Spree

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    If you don't want to be attacked don't join a guild. 95% of the people on the shard play in scady cat mode (stealth/hide) anyways so what does it matter.
     
  47. N49ATV

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    Order Choas would be great, however its gonna get crafters killed, and this lead to more stealth templates.