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Should rank requirement be removed from Faction arties? *Ideas*

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Splup, Oct 24, 2009.

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Should rank requirement be removed from faction artifacts?

  1. Yes, rank requirement should be removed from Faction artifacts

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  2. No, the rank requirement for faction arties should NOT be removed.

    31 vote(s)
    59.6%
  1. Splup

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    Heya,

    Now that Devteam is planning on rehauling the factions, I wanted to ask about this.

    I find it kinda silly system, they give more benefit to the better players, leaving the newcomers etc. even weaker.

    My opinion is that the rank requirement should be removed from faction arties. Maybe with rank you could get armored horse (works like swampy), arties for less silver, I'm sure people could come up with good ideas, which wouldnt still uneven the battlefield that much.

    Btw. armored faction horse would be nice, even thou factions is PvP, but PvP often takes place where there is mobs too.

    BUT, if the rank requirement is removed, a new system to prevent people from joining factions just for arties and then staying in trammel need to be implemented.

    Would be nice to see ideas how to prevent that in this thread also.

    Everyone interested in Factions, place you opinion here! :thumbup:

    Edit: And I know that at the moment system is used by many, dbl accounting points to get rank to get arties. Then staying in trammel. So a system to prevent this should be implemented anyways.
     
  2. Winker

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    Yeah arites should be obtainable to all who fight, not just the top fighters who get rank 10.

    Cut the down time to 10 mins, 20 min stat loss is far to harsh. If people only have a limited time to play it can cut down their PvP playing time drastically.

    Maybe make the arties drop to you’re back pack if you’re in tram, in the same way they do now if you don’t have the correct rank to wear them. This would stop people joining factions and never coming to fell to PvP. Then you would have to revert back to youre PvM gear to use in tram

    Do a competition to design the new faction bases, im sure the im sure the pvp community can come up with some good designs.

    Edit: Mind you i just ran past Brit bank and im not sure letting the player desing the faction base is a good idea
     
  3. This would make every blue faction player have to have 2 armor sets. Punishing players for participating in factions isn't the way to go about making it more desirable.
     
  4. MalagAste

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    Personally.... I think they should be removed from the game... or only have a bonus when fighting someone of an opposing faction.

    When being used in any other situation I think they should act like the normal artie and not give any bonus at all.

    I think they cheapen the real arties.
     
  5. Ender

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    Unusable in Tram facets is a terrific idea and I don't know why it wasn't implemented to begin with.


    "This would make every blue faction player have to have 2 armor sets. Punishing players for participating in factions isn't the way to go about making it more desirable."

    Oh noes I have to spend 20 seconds changing a couple pieces of armor, the horror!
     
  6. Nexus

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    I'm with you on that or they shouldn't have a faction requirement, let faction players sell them to Non-Faction players who can use them...
     
  7. legendsguy

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    nowadays, if you're not in a faction (ie. don't have the great faction arties) you better not set foot in fel. they have better armor that you can't obtain unless in a faction, and they're not afraid to show you that.

    ah, skill.. i miss ye.
     
  8. Lythos-

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    I don't think rank should be removed because of the increased properties of the orni/crystalline.

    I also don't think they should be removed in tram ruleset.

    I do think they should remove the points ranking and add in a tithe ranking system. You have to tithe X amount of silver for ranking. With the grace of the gods, hopefully they will add in more update times too rather than once daily.

    I also think they should kill the "i honor thee" system for giving points away. This would end point mules who just want to see their name on UO.


    True but not true at the same time. I have a faction dexxer that honestly doesn't need any faction gear. I wear the CC for the added 5 dex and that's it. It just takes time and a lot of money to make the suits. Especially now with imbuing everyone should be about on the same page. The mr is dimishing returns so the orni isn't THAT great. Resists can be made up easily. The CC is the only thing that can't be replaced normally.
     
  9. UOKaiser

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    Everyone here knows when the Dev decide to revamp and look into something it means the system will be moved into supream nerf of any usefulness. After they do what ever they come up with factions will be back to the quietness that it was before they added things to factions. We all know it.
     
  10. Tjalle

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    I don´t see how it punishes the blue faction players. Faction arties are meant for factions and the only place for factions are in Fel. They had a suit before farties came out so why not just use that or something similar...?

    And it´s not like a person goes to Fel, equips the arties, fights for 5 mins then goes to Tram, puts on the other suit, stays for 5 mins and then back to Fel again.

    I just don´t see how having to have 2 suits is a "punishment"...
     
  11. Sprago

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    they should keep these arties but make em cursed and take away the "owned by someone" tag away and just add "faction item" leave the rank the way it is

    this way even in tram they can lose your faction gear
     
  12. Quenchant

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    I didn't really care for the idea and basis of farties when they came out. Since they are here, they should stay - with all the existing requirements that were implemented on them.

    The problem is the rank system itself. It is borked and should be repaired. I have a couple chars that never drop below level nine, ever. I have another char that can't get past level 3, even before the change to kill points was done.

    So, my suggestion would be to fix the existing system before you go and try changing things up again. The Farties are something that you should have to farm silver for, only be used for the char that gets them and has maintained the rank to use them.

    Q
     
  13. Winker

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    I still have my normal orni, Crim and other doom arties i used before i put all my chars into factions. I only have 1 red char and 6 blue chars so I know whats its like to have a blue go back and forth between tram and fell, all be it i live in fell. But its not hard to set up a second UOAssist dress macro to change your gear, one button press to undress and another button press ro redress in your trami suit, 2 key presses and a total of 8 seconds...No hardship (Punishment) there is there
     
  14. Serine

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    Faction artis should only be useble in Felucca ...
     
  15. WarUltima

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    There is no reason to have rank requirement for faction arties, and I could careless for trammies using them.

    Maybe make faction wars go on trammel rulesets. I mean Order/Chaos used to let you fight ANYWHERE. Just put a warning when people click faction stone saying "By joining factions you consent that you might be attacked anywhere ingame by any enemy players regardless of facets"

    IMO this is the easiest way to fix this. So unless a trammie never leave their house on a faction character there's no safe place for them.

    I am just sick and tired seeing people bank sitting on faction horses that I have never ever seem in fel, while there's 10000+ kill points on their heads.

    Oh some other faction fixes for factions like no stealthing while carring a sigil, no entering houses while carrying a sigil.
     
  16. Mitzlplik_SP

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    I don`t think its as much punishing the players that do participate but moreso the ones who just join to bank sit in tram with all their faction arties.

    So what if your forced to have 2 sets of armor. Its like any military branch. You don`t show up in civilian clothes do you?....you have a uniform.Evenb in RL we have multiple suits,hehe.

    Would it be that hard to swap out different sets when your going to fel? Since factions can`t fight in tram it makes little sense to have faction arties wearable in tram.

    I think factions should be factions....no safe haven. You got the stones to be in one,there should always be a threat around any corner......not "you can`t touch me here! HAHAHAHAHA!!" That in itself makes it FAR less appealing to me.
     
  17. WarUltima

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    It is a punishment...
    Unless somehow they can put in "dual-slot" on your paperdoll
    Say in fel you have all your faction arties equipped with all regular items, by entering tram it grays out all faction items (make them transparent and would allow you to place another item over it). So your suit will auto toggle as you enter and leaving fel.

    You are making it WAYYYYYYYYYYY too complicated. The simplest fix is make faction armor accessible to anyone in faction with no rank requirement. But allow faction war go onto all trammie rulesets. NO SAFE PLACE AT ALL FOR ALL FACTION CHARACTERS unless they never ever leave the house.

    Can you imaging trammies bank sitting they WILL get killed, they go farm for essences they might get killed, they might get killed doing DOOM, they might get killed for look at vendors in Luna, in Malas, in Fandancers Dojo, while getting BoDs, buying regs, go to a stable... This IS the easiest solution.

    Think about it, now you are fighting a WAR against enemy faction and then you see each other at Luna, and all of a sudden you are holding hands and chatting on your cool look faction horses... this is pretty stupid.

    Factions should use the old Order/Chaos rules those were the best.
     
  18. Kaleb

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    I think the best solution is to remove rank, but allow Factions to fight everywhere like the order/chaos and early factions used to do. Allow reds into the trammie lands but they cannot attack anyone not in factions but can be attacked by anyone and if attacked can defend themselves and can only go into GZ's if attacked in the tram rulesets.
     
  19. Splup

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    Removing rank requirement and letting factioneers fight in tram would solve it.
     
  20. NBG

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    I totally agree. If you want the items, then be prepared to fight anywhere you happen to be. Faction flag should be in tram as well.
     
  21. Maplestone

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    Factions seems a distinctly Fel concept ... rather than faction characters attackable everywhere, why not impose the same restrictions as reds: join a faction, stay in Fel?
     
  22. Ender

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    I don't think it should be that extreme. My opinion is that you should either:


    Be attackable anywhere

    OR

    Be unable to wear faction artifacts outside of Felucca.
     
  23. KalVasTENKI

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    I believe it should not be removed.. Though it is easy to obtain points through killing and other means. I don't think a person who doesn't PvP should be allowed to wear the faction items. Factions = PvP
     
  24. Xenobia

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    Watching the fights in Trammel was sometimes the ultimate entertainment. :popcorn:
     
  25. Quenchant

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    I'll amend my previous post to agree with Ender on this one.

    I was under the assumption that most players (not all) that I see in Tram, with the faction arties, were keeping their rank by normal means. It would seem, I am naive about that.

    So let me say that Farties are the reward part of Felucca. Most of the Trammelites have by-passed the risk factor for obtaining the Farties and maintaining rank. Since they have chosen this course, the risk part of the farties needs to be readdressed.

    Hence, IMO, you wear the Farties in Tram you are attackable by any OJ. Anywhere, anytime.

    Either that or the Farties can only be worn in Felucca.

    Q
     
  26. Xenobia

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    Good Lord that is a gross word! Can't you guys call it something else like Felarties or ANYTHING but that? lol sorry but that word is worse then nails on a chalkboard for me. I'll get by it. :next: