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Should the expansion introduction events have a clicky reward?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by petemage, May 28, 2015.

  1. petemage

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    Seriously, I got happy yesterday and got one of those drops. But as this is an event arc leading to a expansion rather than ordinary EM events, I feel very sorry for everybody taking part and not getting a gem. Maybe even something like boss drop + clicky?

    Opinions? @EM_Bennu @Mesanna
     
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    I know I was pretty upset last night to attend the event on Napa and not get a drop even though I got looting rights on the boss corpse. I spent the whole fight healing people and thier pets only to get no drop. So much for an everyone drop.
     
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    Most folk I know got irritated never getting a drop at an event long time ago and rage quit EM events... The die hards still go those who believe it's RP oriented and go for the RP so they say..... though many of us who still go for the RP get really upset by the drop system and drop rate. The others that go are the greedy ones who go only for the drop.

    I still complain pretty often about the EC no longer functioning for looting. Still not fixed to loot a boss at an EM event especially if you use Pinco's UI. If you use Pinco's you may as well NEVER open a public corpse anymore which IMO is taking out half the reason for even going to an event. If you can't loot anything WTF are you killing it for? I've been getting to the point now where I fail to see the point in doing anything.... I can't loot at an EM event, can't loot champ bosses, can't loot a peerless corpse that's public .... all I can do is get my own loot... so anymore I just give a crap about doing much of anything.... what is the point of playing if you can't do the things you enjoy anymore. I'm wondering how horrible and lagged opening chests is... I haven't done any T-hunting in a long time but I'm thinking it too is worthless. I'm told to play in the default UI but honestly if I have to strip away half the game why bother? Does everyone in the 2d client have to stop using UOAssist to do an event? NO. Infact they use UOAssist and many use other illegal 3rd party programs to multibox and other things at the event so why must I stop using Pinco's which is supposed to be a benefit of the EC to be able to use a mod???? So I have to play with 1/2 my client to have even the slightest chance of opening a public corpse? And people wonder why UO is dying...

    So between the looting being borked and the low drop rates on things to the point that it only serves the most greedy SOB's rather annoyed with UO anymore. I get drops every now and again but Tuesday's event had another issue for me. I already discussed with Kyronix...
     
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    I truly miss the days when people attended events for the lore and not items. I really hope the PEC system will allow for the RP communities throughout UO to host unique events that focus on in game lore. It will be an interesting road ahead with the new expansion and what the Devs have in store for the EM system.

    On the flip side, I did not get the drop on Napa either, but if I had I would have been more than willing to donate it to a local shard player that did not. It is a global event, meaning people really do not have a reason to do the same event on various shards. Funny the "die-hards" were selling the item for 100m last week.. now ive seen it on vendors for 5mil.
     
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    I agree. But for this specific thread I though everbody should have something to remember the nights spent on the global event arc (rather than some random EM event).
     
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    Good news, you can go to any of the Global Arc events and get the same crystal. So if you missed in on one shard, attend the next one on a different shard.
     
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    Aye.... As for the original post (sorry i got off topic) I do not think the "Clicky / vending machine" style reward system for Event Items will ever return. I remember Mesanna saying she was not going to be implementing that system in future events. It would be really cool if the item drop system would work for characters that were based on that shard. (maybe have housing there or some unique way of flagging characters to a single home shard?) Just a thought.
     
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    :bdh:

    Here we go again.....
     
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    need a glacial horse to beat
     
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    No offense meant here, but that is a lousy solution to a poorly implemented arc. Not everyone has shard shields or developed characters across all shards.
     
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    No offense taken. How can you say the arc is poorly implemented without making assumptions as to the reason for it?
     
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    Can anyone just play the game anymore without a reward or some 'clicky drop'? Isn't the game chock full of enough useless pixel crack?
     
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    So far I can only comment on the two aspects I can see, which IMO would not have been how I would have done it.

    1. The content (so far) has extremely limited availability unless you assume that everyone has characters across multiple shards. For someone who plays a single shard, having a 1 hour window specified by an EM in which to participate in the content is very limiting. If you are not available for that hour, you're basically SOL. It would have been much better (IMO) to have a small quest or something that could be completed once per account during a week or two week span.

    2. It would seem that for those who are able to attend even with the very limited availability, people may be loosing out on getting a memento. I don't want to really rehash the EM event drop process. IMO since this is a global arc, everyone who participates should be able to get a drop. As I mentioned in my previous post, I attended last nights event on Napa which is my home shard. I participated from start to finish (not just sitting AFK at the dragon nest). I spent the bulk of the final fight healing and ressing players and thier pets. Toward the end I tried to get in a WOD on the dragon, but hit massive lag around the dragon. When it died I was able to loot, but got no drop. I don't think that is right for a global event that I participated in.

    Based on my assessment of those two factors, I think this has been poorly implemented (at least so far).
     
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    What if the intent was not to give everyone an item but to give out a random amount to those that participated?
    What if they scheduled two identical events and you were not able to go to either, would you say there shout be three...four...to what extent?
    Now say they did however many events you say there needs to be; you went to them all and still did not get an item....?
     
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    If thier intent for a global arc was not to give everyone who participated a memento, they may have successfully done that, but I think that is a poor plan.
     
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    Personally I would have done it more along the lines of a quest with a drop at the end with the quest available for 1-2 weeks. Those who want to participate can do so on thier own schedule and receive the memento.
     
  17. MalagAste

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    So what then is the point of playing? I ask you what is the point of playing the game if there is no reward?

    Years ago before all the "itemization" it was about community... Then we were given Doom and all it's ilk that came with it... ever since it's about items..... such is the cost of advancement... so now it IS about the ITEMS.

    This is the door they opened when Doom and artifacts and all the crap that came with it was introduced. The game has not been about skill or friendship or community since... If you thought it was you have been living a lie.
     
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    But giving something to everyone is not something they like to do anymore... it's about feeding the greed of the rares dealers... The rest of us can go suck an egg... if you have billions of gold and all the clout you can have whatever you want.... meanwhile everyone else can go fish and hope to get "lucky".
     
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    I'm pretty ok with the EM events as they are with the limited drops. If everyone played within the TOS (no multi-boxing) it would be about as fair as I think it can be done. My beef is with a global story arc that would seem to be leading up to the new expansion being delivered in such a limited fashion.
     
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    Yeah. I missed the one on GL because it was so short notice and now don't really care to participate in any further ones, assuming I'm even available for them.
     
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    I've never denied the game has been geared toward itemization for some time. However, this does not mean EM events need to be geared toward it as well. The EM Events are the precise events that should be geared toward community building, so on and so forth. Especially those in the new story arc for the upcoming expansion. They should announce right away "no drop tonight" and those who stick around are the ones who really want to play.

    There is nothing lost by those who would immediately leave once it is announced there won't be a drop. There would be enough who would stay and play, atleast certainly on Atlantic. It certainly couldn't hurt to try this out.

    My critique is more toward the notion that there were some 'poor disappointed players who didn't get a drop but spent so much time fighting and healing'. Was there any utility of the drop which was given out? Was it special in anyway (i.e., it some how relates to future events)? Or was it just more useless pixel crack?
     
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    so we are back to the 1st/2nd/3rd trophies vs the 'participated' trophies argument again?
     
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    There has always been a caveat or criteria to acquiring a drop: participation, loot rights, damage, showing up, healing, rezing etc.. But even when you land within that criteria pool there is still a chance that you might not get the item because there is only a finite amount handed out.The only way to guarantee that you get a drop is to have everyone get it, period. But then you will have those people that could not attend complain they didn't get one. So blanket give everyone one in their bank box. Which would negate the need for events.

    Or you can try harder, plan better, change characters skills, attend more events, buy more accounts, etc etc.

    I attend the majority of events on all shards with one single character. I do not always get a drop and I hate it when I don't. The difference is I admit that it is greed that creates that bad feeling, not a deficiency in the current drop logic.
     
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    I am a FIRM believer in that, if the EM event completely did away with "drops" they would be A LOT more fun. Just my opinion.
     
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    I think all of this is true... Which is why I think EM style events are such a poor delivery method for a global story arc when drops are given out.
     
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    My only complaint is that this event has been poorly advertised. I didn't even know it was happening on Atlantic until it was over. I'm hoping I don't miss my other shard's event. But I still have no clue when it is!
     
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    I no longer bother too much with events as in my opinion they all seem to have degenerated into killfests with ever more powerful bosses and robe collecting has never been my thing. Also I sorely miss the older type of events whereby if you did the work (quests) you got the reward. My favourite has always been the Candle of Love in which I even managed to get one using my Smith. Others include the Magincia ghost clearing to collect the threads for which you could choose one of the three cloaks. I should also mention the event which brought us the Bane Dragons and another for which we could get the Sorcerers Garb (with luck). I cannot think of ANY recent event of this quality and the game is poorer for it. These rewards came to those who wanted them and were not restricted to those who had the definitive playstyle necessary to get them as a 'drop'.

    The question of getting a 'drop' is now for me, a moot point as I have little inclination to participate and whilst I have my share of past mementoes which I would not part with at any price I really have no incentive to go to the current type of event which seems to just involve killing and trying to survive for around an hour or so for which I might, or might not get a drop. I would like at least some events which involve using a little thought and strategy.

    Still I suppose, as ever, we will get what they decide we should have, the rewards will be decided in the same way and I will continue to take less and less part in them.
     
  28. MalagAste

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    My irritation with it is that those who come week after week to follow the story, participate with the EM's in earnest with genuine interest in the outcome, in the story, in the work that was done by the EM in it's presentation and delivery... etc... are left with nothing most of the time as they are trying to help and follow the story as well as help others who participate to keep up... constantly going out of their way to rez other players, keep others informed of what's going on and been going on.... etc... receive little to no opportunity to be recognized, rewarded.... or anything else... it's often those who live on the shard who have a vested interest in the events and the community... who serve to represent the people... who spend much of their in-game and out of game time and effort to foster community who are left with nothing while multi-shard/multi-boxers/and greedy rares collectors remove more and more historical items and such from other shards and take opportunity from those who live on a shard away... and dump it on the highest bidders.

    It disgusts me that those who attend with regularity and devotion are often left with only the memory. I will say things have improved of late... but since I am forced to never be able to loot a corpse again or return to the old outdated client I can no longer enjoy the events. Perhaps I'm being bitter... but I'm fed up with the EC loot issue being swept under the carpet. Before the update to the Default UI I NEVER had an issue opening a corpse full of loot... I was able to loot a corpse quickly and without incident.... since I can't open a public corpse without locking up my computer and the client.... I'm extremely irritated. It has taken the joy out of the game for me. I can't loot gold and haven't been able to for years... it's too heavy .... between bandages, weapons and arrows I run almost at full weight... what little I can loot is often jewelery and gems... which of late I can't get anymore off public corpses..... I used to like to try to gather corruption and taint off some of the mobs as well at EM events especially ones based on peerless bosses from ML.... but since I can't open the stinking corpses anymore it's taken most the "fun" out of it for me. Now I am left with ONLY the story... which thankfully I can say the EM's on GL's do a wonderful job of when I can actually follow it between all the BS going on all around and the crybaby whining of those who attend only for a drop who can't stand 5 min of "story" taking up their precious time. That 5 min of story is all I'm left to enjoy... having some whiny little worm at the event start screaming and moaning about "getting on with it" every 10 seconds totally ruins the immersion and plot for me.

    I agree with others and I almost wish they could announce a drop at the start just to get rid of those uninterested in the story... But if they did announce a chance for a drop at the event then you'd quickly get 400+ cross sharders in a matter of seconds who come just to snatch and grab for the hope of a quick billion in gold from the sale of the items... so it can't be done.
     
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    Well here's some irony... I finally got a drop tonight from the EM event on ATL. Almost makes me want to change my mind on my position of having no event drops considering how much people were offering for it...

    But that is in fact part of the problem. I opted to keep the, despite being 'pixel crack' rather than turning it over for the quick 150M I was offered for it. The people who pay attention to the story, try to role play, rez others and keep on pace with what's happening in the story, rarely if ever, are the ones who get drops or any recognition. Most of the time, it seems the people who get the drops are the ones able to cast Word of Death as quickly as possible with their 5.0 dragon tanking the boss for the entirety of the event.

    Something else they could do with the drops, is make them account bound to whoever they drop to. Would take away the incentive to immediately flip it to rares dealers.
     
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    Oh I think account bound or shard bound would be nice. They can make stuff shard bound.... that would take the wind out of the sails of the greedy rares people. If they are willing to make all VvV crap Shardbound so folk can't go to dead shards to get things easily and cheap then they ought to make EM items shard bound so that things from stories on that shard STAY on that shard.
     
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    they should have been global events u could do at your own leisure...trying to schedule a certain time...is real pain in the neck...especially as this is a new expansion lead
     
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    The simple answer is go back to the original EM drop system - clickies, random items on Mobs and not just the Boss Mob, items hidden in secret places you can FIND WITHOUT HAVING TO KILL STUFF USING YOUR BRAIN, and also the current darling of the system damage versus boss mob. Mix it up. Make it interesting. Keep everyone guessing.
     
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    No that sucks I can't loot mobs at EM events anymore.
     
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    I understand all the discussion but please remember:

    This is not about monthly EM events but about an story arc leading to an epansion we only see once every 5 years or so.

    But then again I doubt it's going to change anything anyways.
     
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    To me it should have been a global event that everyone had at the same time that goes on for several weeks that we can gather items from such as ToT and such... Items worth working towards to usher in a new world and new lands and ideals instead of a one at a time only when the EM's are on once in a blue moon event that only a few can attend when it's scheduled on their time they can actually be there for..... when many folk who don't work eat and breathe UO can actually work on it when they have time not at the one time the EM of each shard designates.... but maybe that's just me being bitter.

    Honestly I'm sick and tired of these things only being done around someone elses schedule and I miss global events that everyone can participate in.... the treasures in doom was nice... didn't last near long enough for me could have been another 2 or 3 weeks or so but it was nice to have a reason to log in each day.... as it is now there is only reason to log in for the occasional event which lasts an hour or two... and that's about it.
     
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    This is why I hate event drops. People go to an event that should just be a fun adventure, but instead leave feeling cheated because they didn't get a rare.

    Everyone or no one I say.
     
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    i think thats is the problem of a lot of people. they simply CANNOT attend the majority of events due to Family, Work, Timezone, LAG, sick dog whatever. and there are the ones who are "lucky" to addend at nearly all events, of course the have a better drop rate as they simply to more evends, IF these are multiboxing their chance is even much higher.

    BUT they simply just dont give a **** about people who care about their shard and the story behind events. these maybe can attend at on only one or 2 shards where then so much people show up with infinite resources and make it even much worse for the normal player.
     
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    I don't mind the normal EM events dropping the way the do. Did the EM event on Napa last night and didn't get a drop. Sure I would have liked one, but was fine not getting one. My beef is what I think should be an EVERYONE drop still leaves people out... Even people who participated in the boss fight enough to get looting rights.
     
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    Events could give out items to those who do it -and- a clickie. Just give the clickie a tag like [souvenir] at the end to distinguish it from the limited dropped version and perhaps a different color. Rares Collectors still have the rarity and can tell the difference between their items and the clickies... and those who would like a momento can get one.
     
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    I know most other people would care... but I wouldn't personally care if the [souvenir] was sold on an NPC for a small amount of gold to make it a gold sink as well. The NPC could hang around for 10 mins and then poof to give folks a chance to res, etc. I know I'm comfortable financially in the game, but others might not be so when I say a "small" amount... I'm not talking 5m... just 25k or something.
     
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    Maybe not every event but like half of them should have a drop for all that attend. It would go a long way in stopping these EM favoritism conspiracy theories.
     
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