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Shroud of Tal'Keesh

Discussion in 'UO Rares Collector' started by Eric Forman, Apr 6, 2008.

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  1. Eric Forman

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    Its a shame so many are being duped [​IMG]
     
  2. Let the man sell his item. Why muck up his sale thread with your pancakes.
     
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    Why muck up his sale thread with your pancakes ?

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    Cause some of us find the complete absence of shame when it comes to selling dupes on this forum absolutely repulsive?

    This is supposed to be a rares forum... yet 50% of all posts are about selling dupes.
    And well over 50% of the so called "respected" traders happily buy and sell em.
    It's not cause the mods have decided it's OK that everybody is supposed to like it.
    I for one don't and the fact that nothing is being done about it, makes me wanna visit this forum less and less every single day.

    I thought collecting rares was something to be proud of [​IMG]
     
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    Why muck up his sale thread with your pancakes ?

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    Cause some of us find the complete absence of shame when it comes to selling dupes on this forum absolutely repulsive?
    Then he should make a separate topic about this. Not try and ruin this guy's post.
    This is supposed to be a rares forum... yet 50% of all posts are about selling dupes.
    And that is exactly why you should post comments in a general topic. Not try to ruin one particular post.
    And well over 50% of the so called "respected" traders happily buy and sell em.
    Believe me, even in your museum/house there are many items that have been duped. And still you bought them. And I presume you occasionally sell things too.
    It's not cause the mods have decided it's OK that everybody is supposed to like it.
    I for one don't and the fact that nothing is being done about it, makes me wanna visit this forum less and less every single day.
    Then don't. Duping has been around for a long long time. It's not like *bling* tada, everything is duped. No, from day 1 people have been abusing game mechanics to obtain items. Be it via scripting or duping. Even 10 years ago things were duped. Now this guy tries to sell 1 item. Has he duped it? I don't know! Maybe he got it from the quest himself. Should he be unable to sell that item now? Of course he should be able. That partially is the idea of the rares forum. In my opinion items that show up on the duped item list, aren't immediately 'item non grata'. Except vine cord and changeling dupe items, where there is 0% chance of owning an original non-cheated item.
    I thought collecting rares was something to be proud of [​IMG]

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    Believe me, I hate cheating as much as you do. And I advocate a discussion about duped items and cheating, but this is definitely not the right place to rant about it. Especially if you do not know anything about the seller or the item offered for sale here.
     
  5. I agree with Gwen 100%. Dupe sellers and their empowering associates will not shout all the clean people down.
     
  6. mdacc#one

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    actully thats not a bad idea. Mods, how about creating a separate foreum for selling suspected dupped items? We can use the list Tomas had built on top. I think this would be an awesome idea. We stick to the list and move the posts accordingly to that other foreum.

    1. Those who don't care about dupped items won't have to visit that foreum.
    2. It would keep this foreum cleaner.
    3. It might draw some attention from EA to finally look into things.
    4. We'll have a lot less bickering from all sides and this foreum would be more enjoyable once again.
     
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    Let the man sell his item. Why muck up his sale thread with your pancakes.

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    For once, i agree with you lol

    Duped or not, its still a rare because theres ABSOLUTELY no way to tell the difference between a Real one and a Fake one, so theres nothing anyone can do about it, they are still rares....and think it about it guys....

    Even if like 10k+ of these were duped, theres still 300k++ ppl playing in this game, and out of that 300k im sure atleast 150k of em want the said duped item....now that leaves 140k ppl still wanting the duped item lol. So who exactly are you ppl to judge who gets to have a particular rare and who doesnt?

    DVI has made a Poll Twice, and over half of you guys said you didnt care if an item was duped or not that you would still buy it.....yet your all here griping about this poor guys shroud, leave the dude alone, surprises the Hell outta me that your all here griping about this one, when just a cpl days ago there was a thread, New User, Selling VC's 400m, Necro Robe 200m, and IBD Tal'keesh for 600m. And no one replyied to that one....


    Any ways, im pretty sure all of these posts will be deleted because you guys have done nothing but personaly attack, rant, and derail this guys thread.

    Now, i may have done the same but it was only to defend the guy =/
     
  8. Guest

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    /signed with a flourish!
     
  9. Guest

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    *Hugs*

    totally agree with you.


    and i am very tired of hearing the same excuses over and over why it is ok to sell the dupes, when it is really not.

    its suppose to be a rares forum after all and nothing else (not a duped items forum)
     
  10. dmodesto

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    Manticore that is a great idea, that way everyone is happy.


    Treyster can go about selling his list of items, and Parkay can too, and it'll clean up the boards, this is a great idea!


    Someone implement this , where's Tomas ?! TOMASSS!
     
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    Manticore that is a great idea, that way everyone is happy.


    Treyster can go about selling his list of items, and Parkay can too, and it'll clean up the boards, this is a great idea!


    Someone implement this , where's Tomas ?! TOMASSS!

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    I personally think the Duped Sticky at the top is more than enough....and why exactly would my thread be up there??......go look at my thread and tell me exactly whats supposedly duped in there.....


    Your such a Hypocrite man....
     
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    actully thats not a bad idea. Mods, how about creating a separate foreum for selling suspected dupped items? We can use the list Tomas had built on top. I think this would be an awesome idea. We stick to the list and move the posts accordingly to that other foreum.

    1. Those who don't care about dupped items won't have to visit that foreum.
    2. It would keep this foreum cleaner.
    3. It might draw some attention from EA to finally look into things.
    4. We'll have a lot less bickering from all sides and this foreum would be more enjoyable once again.

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    Even if there was a seperated forum directed towards the selling/trading/buying of suspicious items, I don't see it benefiting anyone.

    1) A number of previous items in the past have been duped.

    2) It would be extremely hard to enforce such postings because anyone could claim they have a the "real" deal.

    3) If the posts were enforced and moved to the new forum, you might as well call it the new rares forum. It would obviously be the majority of the items being bought and sold here.

    4) It would probably cause more bickering because people will argue that there items are not duped and they shouldn't have to post on a seperate forum due to the fact it would create a false accusation against them (meaning their item is either duped and/or potentially duped) hurting the sale or reputation of the player.

    For instance, if I knew I had an original shroud of tal'keesh and wanted to announce it to the pubilc today for sale, I would be directed to the potentially duped rares forum. This would not only question my character, but how I got it, my dependibility, my trustworthyness and my honesty. It puts the player selling the item under a false title by saying that they could potentially be a duper and/or an exploiter or major dupe dealer by selling known duped items.

    Not to say that that doesn't happen on this forum, but I believe it would just create more controversy over items than there currently is.
     
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    actully thats not a bad idea. Mods, how about creating a separate foreum for selling suspected dupped items? We can use the list Tomas had built on top. I think this would be an awesome idea. We stick to the list and move the posts accordingly to that other foreum.

    1. Those who don't care about dupped items won't have to visit that foreum.
    2. It would keep this foreum cleaner.
    3. It might draw some attention from EA to finally look into things.
    4. We'll have a lot less bickering from all sides and this foreum would be more enjoyable once again.

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    Even if there was a seperated forum directed towards the selling/trading/buying of suspicious items, I don't see it benefiting anyone.

    1) A number of previous items in the past have been duped.

    2) It would be extremely hard to enforce such postings because anyone could claim they have a the "real" deal.

    3) If the posts were enforced and moved to the new forum, you might as well call it the new rares forum. It would obviously be the majority of the items being bought and sold here.

    4) It would probably cause more bickering because people will argue that there items are not duped and they shouldn't have to post on a seperate forum due to the fact it would create a false accusation against them (meaning their item is either duped and/or potentially duped) hurting the sale or reputation of the player.

    For instance, if I knew I had an original shroud of tal'keesh and wanted to announce it to the pubilc today for sale, I would be directed to the potentially duped rares forum. This would not only question my character, but how I got it, my dependibility, my trustworthyness and my honesty. It puts the player selling the item under a false title by saying that they could potentially be a duper and/or an exploiter or major dupe dealer by selling known duped items.

    Not to say that that doesn't happen on this forum, but I believe it would just create more controversy over items than there currently is.

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    Couldn't have said it better my self [​IMG]....Thank You....
     
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    The real deal with a duped IBD is just as bad as a duped that is insured, unless someone defending the sale of duped items has a stake in one or ten for that matter, a dupe is exactly that a dupe NO LONGER RARE

    if the "RARES TRADERS" want to deal in dupes, they will be just like Lynn comeing here crying or appologizeing that the amount of possiable cash that could be made on said item made their decisions on dealing with them clouded.


    When the accounts are banned with rares on them i hope to hell everything is deleted as a lession that you cannot place where they were held to try and reclaim a few of these so called rares.
     
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    The real deal with a duped IBD is just as bad as a duped that is insured, unless someone defending the sale of duped items has a stake in one or ten for that matter, a dupe is exactly that a dupe NO LONGER RARE


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    A dupe is no longer rare? Then why do people pay hundreds of millions and billions for them?
     
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    lack knowledge, expect wont be deleted, or frankly to much cash !!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    lack knowledge, expect wont be deleted, or frankly to much cash !!!!!!!!!!!!

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    that makes absolutely no sense at all....

    Alvinho, yours didnt make much sense either....But, duped items ARE still rare simply because there absolutely no way to tell the difference between real ones and fakes one.....

    I really wonder why on earth you guys keep posting, post after post griping about dupes, your not guna change anything, then half of you, right after posting you jump on ICQ and buy some =/.... so much Childish Hypocritical BS goes on here, its truely Unreal...
     
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    if u had reading skil would have seen three points ones that buy expect wont be anything done or frankly see bauble and wants it lol no looking into or frankly hey i can buy skip buying lunch this week !!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    im not accuseing anyone of sellign the real deal or a dupe item, All im saying is when someone and eventually it will happen, get cought and banned for dealing in duped items just have they have in the past I know for a fact that i will still be around and laughing at the screen when folks come to u-hall or here crying they were unfarely banned. When someone decides that it is ok to deal in duped items with the false hope that they will not get cought, I simply say look at the past and see what happened to those who chose to do exactly what is being done here. The burning house in luna on many shards, the multiple homes that were droped fmro banned accounts god it was what 2 years ago now, yep it is about time again.

    Like i said I am still going to be around and laughing when it does come to bite those who choose to deal in duped items in the rear.
     
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    The real deal with a duped IBD is just as bad as a duped that is insured, unless someone defending the sale of duped items has a stake in one or ten for that matter, a dupe is exactly that a dupe NO LONGER RARE

    if the "RARES TRADERS" want to deal in dupes, they will be just like Lynn comeing here crying or appologizeing that the amount of possiable cash that could be made on said item made their decisions on dealing with them clouded.


    When the accounts are banned with rares on them i hope to hell everything is deleted as a lession that you cannot place where they were held to try and reclaim a few of these so called rares.

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    The fact of the matter is, is that you can't prove an item is duped. Yeah it may be obvious to everyone, but what proof is there? Its disrespectful to blow rumors out of thin air to disrupt a players business, even if they are highly suspicious or using nooby stratics accounts.

    The only way to counter it would be just keep your suspicions to your self, and move along. Don't buy an item you feel is legitamility duped. You can't be a pick and chooser in the business of rares collecting. You either buy something and accept the fact its been possibly duped, or you believe what could be a true or false story on how the owner once obtained the item or its lineage back to the day it was obtained/handed out/created etc.

    Its the theory that an item is rare which is what helps it maintain its core value and desirability to the general public which is why they're still "rares" and valuble.


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    Like i said I am still going to be around and laughing when it does come to bite those who choose to deal in duped items in the rear.

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    Its not always a choice. If you believe someone truely wants to own a duped item, then I guess to each his own. And I highly doubt EA would stoop as low as banning even the innocents who unknowingly owned duped rares.
     
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    you really expect to see ibd that are not duped posted here from many years ago !!!!!
     
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    you really expect to see ibd that are not duped posted here from many years ago !!!!!

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    man no offense....but i seriously cant understand a single thing you say....i guess ill just leave this thread alone lol....
     
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    you really expect to see ibd that are not duped posted here from many years ago !!!!!

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    No, but you can't prove its not duped and the owner returned from a 6-7yr hiatus. Its unlikely and its unbelievable, but you cant blow rumors out of your ass just because you think its duped. Odds are even high its duped. I'm not doubting that. But to accuse someone of being a duper/dupe dealer because they own a duped item is a petty excuse for anyone.
     
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    when a spine is aquired from uo game will progress
     
  25. Believe me, if EA found a way to trace and remove any/all duped objects, Id be for it. It is a buy at your own risk factor and everyone knows it.

    But its nearly impossible due to the fact xfering changes the item I.Ds of every object moved from point a to point b. Meaning even a crate of duped IBDs will be untraceable unless caught by EA first hand or in the act.
     
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    so u are saying a account with 125 box of item blessed deeds wouldnt raise eyebrows with uo/ea!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    so u are saying a account with 125 box of item blessed deeds wouldnt raise eyebrows with uo/ea!!!!!!!!!!

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    Did you even read my last post? I said it would have to be found and contained by EA its self in order for them to be caught..

    Otherwise its just smoke on the wind. The owner of those 125 deeds will continually make money selling them for premium price until they get caught. And depending on how careful the seller/owner is, they may never get caught.
     
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    Closing this thread as nothing substantial is coming out of it.
     
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