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Siege... Don't write us off yet.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by kelmo, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. kelmo

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    I have read many disparaging and dismissive posts about Siege here on Uhall. I am not going to point any particular post out. There are plenty though.

    I have not been posting much lately because I have been busy... actually playing the game. My current play style is walking the land. I watch as houses go up and down. From what I see, I see more going up than falling. This is just my opinion. I may be wrong.

    Yes many Siege vets are a bit despondent at times. Myself included. This is very evident here and on the Siege forums and even in "game chat".

    I have played Siege exclusively for over seven years. It has always been cyclic. Being such a small (yet vocal rolleyes:) shard, small population variations are magnified. Twenty some odd folks leaving another shard would hardly be noticed. On Siege it is huge.

    That being said and back to the point...

    Don't write us off yet. Please stop linking us to the success or lack there of a "classic" shard that does not exist. We are here and our foot is still in the door.

    Do not take this a Siege recruitment post. It is not. All I ask is that if you do not currently actively play Siege do not speak as if you know Siege. You can not log in for a few moments and judge us.

    You will not find us at banks. Luna is dead on Siege. We are out in the fields or working in our homes. That is the nature of Siege.

    There is a small (read that as huge for us) influx of new folks playing. They are taking advantage of the best skill gain system in the game in my opinion. RoT with out caps. The timer is still in effect, but there is no cap to the amount of gains to be had for a day. If you are playing, you are gaining.

    Comparing us to a classic shard is not fair to either.

    That is all I have to say about that...
     
  2. canary

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    My only question would be, if a classic shard would indeed happen, how would that affect Siege?

    It kinda would have one foot in both camps, imo.

    edit: btw, kelmo, I have to add I am really impressed by how community minded you are. its very nice to see in a person.
     
  3. kelmo

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    In responce... I don't know. As I said very small fluctuations of population are very evident on Siege. It may well be devastating. Not only to Siege but other small shards as well.
     
  4. I Dont think we will see an actual "classic shard" but how would Siege players accept the "classic" shard idea?, aka Siege to become the "classic" shard?
     
  5. Harlequin

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    My apologies, any reference I brought up w regards to Siege in classic shard threads was in response to other posts, but I guess my replies probably didn't help Siege.

    I have always loved ROT. It is as you say, ROT is superior to the GGS system on the non advanced shards.



    OT - Oooo, granpa grumpy switched his avatar back to the old one!
     
  6. kelmo

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    Speaking for myself... No thanks to Siege becoming "the classic" shard. We are Siege and we like it that way.
     
  7. kelmo

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    No worries, Harlequin.
     
  8. :) Understandable.
     
  9. Kelmo is right about not judging Siege by just logging in for a few minetes.

    Ive played UO for 11 years and I was always hesitant to go to Siege. In fact it took 11 years to get me there.

    I had judged Siege from a view point that it is was an all out, Pvp, cut throat, shard. I had to wonder what type of people chose to play there! lol

    Recently I was invited to try Siege and see what it was really was like...not what I thought it was like.

    First, it is not a PVP shard. Thats not what all goes on there. It is a true community just as the other shards are. The players there are the same as they are any place in UO. (better in some cases)

    If I needed anything I would ask in chat and people would respond, advising me where to get what I needed or offering to give me items I needed. Yes...GIVE me items. I have never asked a question there that I didnt get an answer to by someone.

    Have I died at the hands of another player there? Ohhhhhh yeah! And as silly as this must sound, I enjoyed every minute of it. Let me explain it this way... Yes I have been PKed, but even without insurance, I have not lost a thing.

    There is so much more to Siege than most people realize. I could go on and on, but...Im saving the best for an interview with Kelmo. :)
     
  10. IanJames

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    IF a classic shard comes, I'm not moving to it. I like Siege and my friends there. No plans to move to classic
     
  11. Taylor

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    I'm not optimistic, but I am rooting for you. I think the shard has great potential. Unfortunately, until people spend time there, they don't realize how generous the community really is.
     
  12. RedDaTeef

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    You tell 'em Kelmo! Go Kelmo!
     
  13. Lady Storm

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    Kemo if you pass by a big tower near covetous and see Alanis stop by and say hello its me!
    I have played Siege as you have said from opening, after our rp guild days ended... I kept up my homes and played mostly around my house, with little trips to luna.
    I for one would like to see more play the shard.

    Houseing is one main problem, not the lack of space but the idea someone would have to drop a house on their home shard to get a work base on Siege. Siege has always been a second home to many who wanted to have a harder existance. (not allways was it a pk heaven to kill kill kill... we had lovely days of guild wars and rping. Many a RED was not the mass murderer I've seen running there now. hehe the thought of server wars brings a smile to my face!
    (I have been advocating for opening up houseplacement to all accounts back to pre one house/account status as there is no problem with room these days or the pull on servers due ot over crouding as in the past).

    I for one am giddy they took off the cap!
    I can get my girls out and finally get them up where they belong.
     
  14. Lord Chaos

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    Monty Python Kelmo:

    "but I'm not dead yet!"
     
  15. Hoffs

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    I would not move to a classic shard. It may have the community and sense of risk which I enjoy about Siege, but not all the other things: custom houses, champs, peerless, coloured dogs, deco stuff, etc. Also, presumably a classic shard is going to stay pretty much fixed as it is. I would hate to miss out on new updates every so often.

    My bigger concern would be what the Devs do with Siege. They may decide that maintaining three sets of server code is just not viable, and the "poor relation" may be sacrificed. Perhaps that explains their reluctance to promote the shard.
     
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    I would like to try Seige, but housing is my greatest concern. I think back to my days on GLs in 1999. A house was a sanctuary where you could make supplies or train a skill without worry. When you left home you were vulnerable... even in town. I suspect it is the same issue on Seige today. Can a new player to the shard survive out of a bank box? Or will their experience be DOA if they don't have a house. Unfortunaly all of my accounts already have homes. Thanks for the insight!

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
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    It's not the mayhem you might expect. Most people on the shard, red and blue alike, are happy to help new players. You will have plenty of time to establish yourself and train before becoming a target for PKs. All you have to do is ask for help.

    By the way, you're allowed a one-month membership in NEW guild. While flying the NEW tag, most (all?) PKs and thieves will leave you alone.
     
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    Agreed, NEW gives people a safe place to train, but there are also many people who would give a new person to the shard a lockbox in their house so they could train there and have some extra storage.

    Kelmo has done that for several people... I'm sure he would do it for more.
     
  19. Lady Storm

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    Yes he would and all of NEW. Siege is a world inside UO all of its own, Welcome to CC for trying our humble shard.

    I have for ages said they should lift the one house per account back to the 1 per shard. It would allow the players who wish to come to Siege. Not to hurt their holding but can get that house that is so needed. Bank boxes are not the most roomy for living in.
     
  20. Amren

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    I don't think it's just the PvP that keeps people away, it's also the fact that many don't want to Start again from scratch on ANY server.

    We all time sinked hundreds of hours to establish our selves on our current servers, why give all that up?

    Everytime I log on to any server that's not my "main" on any game, I begin to think how long it's going to take to develop a character, then I get discouraged and go back to where my main characters are.
     
  21. kelmo

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    One day you may feel diferently. Starting over can be a challenge. One that many of our newer players seek.
     
  22. The Scandinavian

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    Hi there,

    I would love to try Siege.
    Any need of a brave smith?

    But,I really need a house and that is not possible...
    Being from Europa I guess the ping is not that great either.


    Regards
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  23. QueenZen

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    **reads between the lines on poster's post above** :)

    AHA ya said all of your accts. already have homes one home per acct. elsewhere. WELL THEN...............you can do like I did, back in 2004, ifn ya want to try Siege.

    Unlike the one acct. players, you have multiple accts. as ye said that all have homes on another shard. I have maintained 4 accts. for yrs. with EA to play UO. I had 4 homes on Chesapeake at one time.

    I wanted to try Siege for whatever reasons, the challenge of starting over, looking for somewhere to play cuz I was never fond of insurance, wanting to make a crafter that could craft where possibly I didn't have to compete with scripters or as many of em, etc. My oldest 2 ancient accts. stayed housed on Chesapeake. I made chrs. on ALL 4 accts. to try Siege back in 2004, but IF I liked it, I decided I would use the younger acct. or 2 with less pixel stuffs, to toss their stuff into my older homes then use the younger acct. to put a home on Siege.

    :) My first home on Siege on one of my younger accts. was an 8 x 7 no walls scrap heap of a home. :) Here we are yrs. later and I have now 3 max secureds Siege homes and 1 Chesapeake max secureds home remaining housing all 4 accts. chrs. stuffs, in ONE Chessie home.

    SOooooooooooooo if you do have multiple accts. with EA UO that all have a homes, on your present home shard, you CAN do the same as I did, having the luxury of multiple accts., ifn ya want to... to take 'one' of your less pixel intense items acct., toss ye chrs.' stuffs in one of your 'other' homes, and you can have a Siege home, then, if ya then decide ya like it there. :)

    Be forwarned though...4 homes elsewhere may end up 3 Siege homes over the years ! Can be addictive there for UO players to go on to try Siege, even for mere crafters as my chrs. for whatever reasons !

    :lol:rolleyes::grouphug: Just sayin' rolleyes:
     
  24. QueenZen

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    Not sure about ping on Siege for Europeans, but we do have folks from the UK, and elsewhere Europe, pretty sure someone on Siege is from Oslo Norway too, and some folks play on Siege that only type in game, in Japanese. :)

    Heck I have played UO on all shards on......28k modem dial up for years LOL and play Siege. Course sometimes I am dead before I knew what hit me on any shard. :) I have since moved to speedier connection on a new laptop, but only last month, and I am still going back to using the old WIN XP computer on DIAL UP yet too !! LOL

    I would venture to guess if ya wish to play a murderer on Siege or any shards, a speedier ping would be better, if ya just wish to craft on Siege, ye ping won't matter much ! :)
     
  25. Petra Fyde

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    I ping 98 -100 usually from UK to Siege.
     
  26. FrejaSP

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    I can only speak for myself. I love SA, imbuing, plant dyes and alot from the other years.

    Even when i had my best years in 1997-1998 on Atlantic, I would not give up what I have now on Siege so no, I would not want Siege to be a classic shard.

    However I would still like to see some changes to Siege. I believe we need more than one char slot.
    And even when Imbuing had been a great help to our problem with items being to expensive or to hard to get, we need better drop of imbuing resources, maybe 2x resource spawn and normal shards prices.

    A classic shard is a dream we all have but I fear we will be disappointed, we remember the good stuff but not the bad stuff.
     
  27. FrejaSP

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    Problem is, it will fill Siege with vacations houses, from visitors who wanted to try out Siege.
    If players can place a second house on Siege and they do not have to refresh it, they will leave on Siege for ever, even if they don't play the shard.

    I would say, one small 7x7 classic home, refresh once a month would be ok.
     
  28. Hoffs

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    If you have a good ISP then there should be no problem playing from Europe. Playing from England, only very rarely do I experience any lag problems. There are many Europeans on Siege - I think there are five or six German/Austrians in my alliance alone. We have also had a good deal of Scandinavians over the years. Two of the chief PKs on the shard (fun PKs, and they don't tend to loot or even harm newer types) are European - one Scandinavian no less.
     
  29. The Scandinavian

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    hehe,

    seems like you all love me already.

    A few answers.
    Yes I have two accounts but I have worked a loooong time to fit them together to make a town.No way i will break that up,but I could get another account or jsut live in a bankbox for awhile...
    I guess I do not need any pixel crap on Siege ,just a kryss.
    :lol:

    I pinged about 130 in the old days with modem,now I ping 40-something with my ADSL.

    But still,any need of a brave smith?

    And I understand that people just can't have houses there and not play.
    I could live with a 7x7 house and refersh every month.
    :thumbup1:

    When I started to play I lost my house every vacation I was on because of the refresment rules.



    Regards
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  30. Kelmo is 100% correct.

    People (mostly Classic Shard opponents) like to point to Siege as evidence that a Classic Shard will fail. What they don't understand is that Siege is not the same as a Classic Shard. Not even close. The only similarity is the lack of Trammel.

    As someone who has been playing Siege for months now, I will admit, it is not without it's problems, but if you really want to experience UO in a completely different way...give Siege a try! It's pretty empty most of the time, but the community there is strong...much stronger than on most (all?) of the other shards.

    As for Siege becoming the "Classic Shard"...why would that happen? The population of Siege has, in most cases, been playing on that shard for years. They have an established community, player run towns, etc. They do not deserve to have their shard folded into a Classic Shard any more than any of the other lower population shards.

    I think a lot of people here on Stratics have an irrational fear...almost hatred...of anything and anyone that embraces open PvP.

    Just because Siege has open PvP, don't make the mistake of thinking it is anything like Classic UO. It's not. Like I said before, if you want to experience UO in a completely different way...try Siege. It is very different from what you are used to on prodo shards.
     
  31. Lady Storm

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    Not really Siege is quite empty. I have 3 homes on siege tower sm tower and a villa and there is no homes near by my places and im in the Cove area!! We have plenty of room.

    1 house per account was Implemented to address the stagering amount of players who were screaming for more houseing at that time. The Dev did not have plans to add more land(haha that was a big failure as the new lands sense are available for homes). That is no longer our problem. By a long shot. Siege has all but trammel in its lands and I can tell you much is open. Siege is not everyones cup of tea. I seriously doubt the throng of UO will decend on Siege to fill up on houses if they lifted it.

    Then again if we have a rush all the Dev needs to is like Mugen, add trammel but with the fel rules. Instant space.
     
  32. Illumina Zero

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    I recently started a character on Seige and have enjoyed it so far. Never thought I would EVER have to ask this question again... Anyone have a Soul Seeker!? That would be a tremendous help in my collection of skill and gold.
    In reference to the post, the server does feel a little classic as it is. It feels good that way. Thats my 2 cents.
     
  33. I am a newbie on Siege also, and I have found that just giving a "shout out" in the general chat will help you get just about any item that you are needing there.

    The people on Siege are a very generous clan I must say! :)
     
  34. FrejaSP

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    Yes we do have plenty of room right now but you have no idea how many from all the other shards, who would place a second house on Siege if they could. The land could be filled very fast.

    I know a 7x7 don't have alot of lockdowns but it's better than living out of a bankbox.

    Devs are looking into our problems so I hope we will get more players, even when it may take some time.

    The remove of the RoT cap will help and so will the changes to treasure hunters as it do give better access to needed imbuing resources.

    Sieges biggest problem is the damage AoS did, before that, you could PvP or PvM in a gm made suit to a few k, now it cost alot more and many can't affort it.

    Any fix that make it cheaper for the crafters to make imbued suits will help Siege.

    If players again can affort getting a new suit when they die, Siege will wake up and alot old SP players will be back and we will need our land for houses.
     
  35. Amren

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    Perhaps.

    But those of us who work 10+ hours a day , it's not easy.
     
  36. AesSedai

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    - IF they allowed a secondary house for different game versions, then I would gladly build my Siege characters more.. I'm just not sure that I agree with that approach; but if they made that change, I would give it a more-solid whirl.
     
  37. FrejaSP

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    A shard filled with dead houses won't help Siege and won't give more action. It will only stop guilds from building player towns.

    I don't mind players have a second house on Siege but if they stop logging in to the shard, the house should fall after a month or so.
     
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    Fix Siege or make a classic shard and give us an option to play a working version of Felucca.

    My take on this? Siege is dead and broken. You, the developers don't fix the issues that trickle over from the content that's tailored to trammel styled shards. The community could have helped make things easier for you to have fixed them, but personal grudges between the few remaining on Siege don't get set aside. Players comment to stonewall fixes on systems they have no experience with or understanding of just because they have issues with the people. Or they have a "whats in it for me" mentality so no one else can get anything until they get what they want first... no matter how easy it would be to make the game just that much better for someone else. Either way, the players and community have looked to you to address things (and not through inaction and silence) and you've let us down. YEARS go by and you let us down, then you fix some minuscule thing that doesn't address any REAL issue only to neglect Siege for a few years more.

    Besides Freja, I've been playing on Siege YEARS longer than most every Siege player left playing this game. And even regarding Freja, unless she's a beta (atlantic) player... I'm her elder too.

    Siege is an empty shard because there aren't enough players, playing it. The population has dwindled periodically every time big ticket issues go unaddressed by you, the developers.

    AoS brought the Personal Bless Deed issue to a shard without insurance and wasn't addressed for 2 years.

    UOSE brought the blessed sammy helms and ember legs and wasn't addressed for another 2 years.

    Greater Dragons (versus players in sub-prodo gear) on a shard that has no passive detect and allows players to abuse ninjitsu, hiding and stealth to circumvent rules the Devs put in (like no hiding, moongate/gate travel, entering a house, etc. etc. when your flagged an aggressor.

    Private housing which is the ultimate safe zone and instanced dungeons that players cannot raid.

    Faction artifacts that cost 5 times what they do on other shards even though Siege factioners risk more than any other server (having only 1 character slot and no trammel to escape the risks of factions with.) Faction artifacts that cost 5 times what they do on other shards because ONE guy who doesn't even play UO anymore complained to you Devs. An uptick in price that took moments of dev time to increase... has been sitting at 5 times the price even though the community's faction players have asked for it to be brought back to normal so more than just those of us who are the elite will enjoy participating in factions.

    Monster loot tables that don't make sense. Risking more than on any other server hunting monsters... only to get the same rewards one gets on any other server. Nobody has gone to Doom in YEARS because nobody wants to waste time completing a few runs of the gauntlet only to get nothing. Treasure of Tokuno?

    So on and so on and so on.

    Then we get this:

    Mythic Entertainment | Ultima Online - Play the 14-Day Free Trial!

    There are barely any current siege players playing anymore because of all of the broken systems on the server. Because of all the neglect. Because of getting fed up with playing a BROKEN game. This coming from one of the Siege players that's been playing at the top level of factions, champion spawns, what-ever since before there were such things. They are broken and they sit broken... WHY??

    There are many players that like no insurance, no trammel and everything else that Siege is... but there are very few players who give a rats ass about playing a broken version of what they enjoy. Don't believe me? Look at the population of Siege.

    Notice all the talk about a classic shard? Well that's because there are A LOT of people who want to play an Ultima Online that WORKS like it's supposed to.

    I've been here for 14 years. This is not just some random talking here. When you have a player who's been here and stuck it out this long telling you what I'm saying... you should know that you're losing a BIG chunk of what made this game to begin with.

    So give us a classic shard. Take it back to a version of Ultima Online that worked. Then you can focus on more themepark tailored additions to this game and forget about the sandbox so the oodles of us can log online and enjoy our time in game.

    So I can start logging in again and enjoying my time in game.
     
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    You could have at least wrote something new Draxous, rather than copy and pasting.

    Regardless of what the previous poster believes, I agree completely with Kelmo.

    Siege is the only shard keeping me playing UO. There are big issues but its still got a great community.

    I'm always looking to help other players where I can. I don't do as much as the NEW guild but I help whenever its possible.
     
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    So, what're you trying to say?
     
  41. Draxous

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    Good question.

    Kelmo?
     
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    Didn't copy and paste anything. I wrote this first and thought it warranted a distinct discussion.

    Since that can't happen because of things I can't talk about since the ROC only applies to certain individuals... I figured we should take up again the discussion Kelmo suggested.

    I too am always looking to help other players. I believe a classic shard will help all of those disenfranchised with how broken Siege is and they will find refuge in a working version of Felucca since the current version of it... is well, broken.

    *tips hat*