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Siege Perilous looking for help.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Speedy Orkit, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. Speedy Orkit

    Speedy Orkit Grand Inquisitor
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    I think it is ridiculous that on a server where we don't have insurance things cost more. The low price of most things(such as a 120 mage going for 4m, a 120 everything else for about 1-2 max) The simple fact is Siege does not have duping problems, so money, resources, runics, etc are far less common. I would like to see many things done for the shard, in particular:

    -Increase replica/SoT drops
    -Increase Martie/Peerless drops(Crimmys, totems, hotl, etc)
    -Increase property %'s on items dropped, like has been done with runics.

    But most of all, I think faction silver needs to be fixed. It seemed like a good idea(to one person) to increase the price of the items 5 fold, because it would make them rarer. In theory maybe a good thing, you don't want someone running around in an artied out suit 24/7. Plus, more silver cost = more time farming, PKers get something out of it too.

    Unfortunately, the plan back fired in my opinion. Rather than increase the volume of players farming silver we just have a constant stream of player bound items passing between players for gold.

    Die, pay 500k for suit. Kill, sell suit for 500k. This is the routine that has come about. The increased silver prices forced everyone into some kind of "Siege insurance" Care Bear hand holding phenom. But the problem is these is no loss on Siege anymore. We know we are getting the faction items back. The only time silver prices jump and people are farming it is when 1 of 2 things happens:

    - Sudden influx of players(as with M D and school restarting)
    - People throw a hissy fit and start trashing crap

    So this is my idea, although I am not sure if it has been introduced exactly like this, I know variants of the system have been talked about:

    -First, drop faction silver prices back to normal. One can get a suit for about 20k silver, give or take.
    -Second, input a "silver insurance" policy. No I do not mean anything will be blessed, I would want for it to work like this:

    Bob is wearing a faction suit which costs exactly 20k, so he is well geared. Orny, crystaline, crimmy, the whole shabang. Fred(also a factioner) runs up, and kills Bob. This is where my idea needs some fine tuning, but I think either one could be a success:

    Idea #1: Fred is given 1/5 of the cost of all items related to factions Bob is carrying. In this case, about 4k(+cost of pots, faction runes, and whatever else). Deposited into his bank just as would be done if one killed someone for insurance money. The deposited into bank thing isn't a deal breaker, I just think it would be easier to code. The faction items disappear upon death. Bob is out 20k silver, but Fred now has 4-5k.

    Idea #2: Fred kills Bob, and based on the items Bob is carrying, Fred is not given 1/5 of the cost, but a certain amount of silver based on the tier of items. Top tier 500, second 350, pots 50, etc. So long it is well under the amount originally paid. Items all dissipate.

    The idea is that there is still incentive to fight, but factioners don't get a free ride with everything, just dying, and killing, then trading back or selling back for the exact same amount. It will put people back into farming silver, instead of hoarding items, and I legitimately think it would cut down on griefing.
     
  2. Lord Frodo

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    And why is this in UHall and not on SP?
     
  3. Speedy Orkit

    Speedy Orkit Grand Inquisitor
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    It has been posted there, had a few suggestions to put it over here. Siege is a part of the shard list after all, we need fixes like every other shard.
     
  4. Uvtha

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    Why does this get asked every time? Devs read Uhall, they don't read (at least any where near as often) SP forum.
     
  5. Nexus

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    He's got a real point that's why, and Siege seems to get forgotten about a lot of the time when planning and implementing. I don't see a lot of Dev posts on individual shard forums to be honest.

    Look at it this way, Faction arties give a benefit to players on Prodo that aren't in factions now, over PvPer's that aren't in faction in that they have cheaply replaceable suits. Siege where there is no insurance, it's 100x worse where before you could loot a suit that you in turn could use yourself now you've got a bunch of character bound Faction arties that you can't use at all. Takes all the incentive out of PvP, and gives the Faction players a HUGE boost over Non-faction players that don't have a ready supply of replaceable items to build uber suits. While they are running around in GM made armor, the Factioner's are running around with suits decked out with top end artifacts. It's unbalancing to an extreme.
     
  6. Lord Frodo

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    NO NO NO. It seemed like it was some of the players on SP that are causing this. As SP players have a better understanding of SP I was just woundering how the rest of the world could help.
     
  7. IanJames

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    There's an exposure issue. the Devs choose to ignore our existence, so every now and again we have to start a stink on a forum they actually read.
     
  8. Mr X

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    A much better idea is to just remove faction items from siege. They do not belong on siege and we should just do away with them. Just say no to insurance!
     
  9. IanJames

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    Just an FYI - I took the last "Siege Development Wish List" Thread started by Kat on the SP boards and took the items that seemed to have a consensus of sorts and sent a very detailed suggestion list to the DEVS via the Community Coordinator. Receipt of the list has not yet been acknowledged by anyone including the person I sent it to
     
  10. Gwendar-SP

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    Just take the faction junk off of Siege. Why should one group of players have special items that can be used to kill everyoone else? Why on a shard with no recall, no bracelets of binding and no sacred journey should one group of players have recall?

    GIve us back our towns already!!!!
     
  11. Tjalle

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    What they said...