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Siege Population does not want EM?!?!

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by Arradin, Jul 26, 2010.

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  1. Arradin

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    So, i´ve been told that the Siege community does now want an EM on this shard?

    Now, i am new here, But damn..

    Is this true, and in that case, WHY?
    I hear all these cries for help, a forgotten server that is dying etc, yet we not only turn down EM's but do it in a rude matter?

    Why does Siege NOT want an EM? Would it not bring only GOOD stuff to the table?

    Please, im dying to hear the explenation, because to me, its a big step into a more alive and fun shard..?

    An confused Arradin wanders off.
     
  2. kelmo

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    I am not sure where you heard that. I think an active and knowledgeable EM would be welcomed.
     
  3. Arradin

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    I heard it from a 'Reliable' source to say the least...

    And i just need to know if its a mixup, confusion and just a missunderstanding..
    Because otherwise we can't cry for help , if we threat stuff like that in this manner?
     
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    Your "reliable" source sucks....

    of course we want an em and events and stuff to do, and inscribed items given out and other great items like other servers, new collectables and rares and stuff that brings the community togeather who doesn't honestly.. stop the non sense find us an active em THX!
     
  5. kelmo

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    You have better sources than me? *raises eyebrow* I don't think so... There might be a bit of dissatisfaction, we have trouble keeping EMs, but I am sure most keep an open mind.
     
  6. Arradin

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    *slaps with glove* I challange thee.

    Well, it must be as i thought then, that it is some kind of missunderstanding.

    Because Siege community would die for an active EM, amirite ?
     
  7. kelmo

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    We are dieing anyway... what would having an active EM hurt? *chuckles*
     
  8. kelmo

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    Wait a minute... did you just slap me with a glove? *narrows eyes* Sure you know what you are doing? *evil grin*
     
  9. Arradin

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    Indeed i did ! Try me ! ;)

    And we are NOT dying. We just help standing on our Feet... Imagine the value that rares on this server would have from EM's , with no server transfers etc etc etc .. !!

    And to bring everyone together in the same spot , helping eachother for events etc.. It worked wonders for other small pop shards, why not here?

    Want more people posting to prove the points that Siege want an EM !
     
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    Sorry Arradin but I have no clue where you are coming from. I only know 2 of our past Em's closely but both were good people and gave there all for the shard but yet EA let them down.
     
  11. Arradin

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    What do you mean " let them down " ?
     
  12. Førsaken

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    Arradin is talking about the random day the developer chick logged in asking our thoughts on obtaining an EM and a couple of us (myself mainly), asked about the other issues we've been polling on non stop.

    Needless to say, she was a rude you know what and should step down off her high horse. Just my .02.
     
  13. Arradin

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    So the baker asked you if you wanted bread , But you told her to STFU because she couldnt get you milk also ?
     
  14. kelmo

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    Chill my Siege friends... keep this civil.
     
  15. Arradin

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    Its quite civil :)

    I´m just trying to straighten out this mistake, since we don't have an EM here because its believed that we don't want one.
     
  16. Hoffs

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    Believe me, the Devs have/had absolutely no understanding of the Siege shard or its community (when it still had one), or the desire to do anything significant to improve things. My personal experience has just been wasted time and broken promises.

    Former Siege EM
     
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    I don't know who told you we don't want one, but that person is incorrect.

    I know personally at least two of the EM's we have had here, and here is the problem. Not that many people show up for stuff here, so the EM gets burnt out doing all the work.

    We've had rotten EM's here too, that we don't want. We do not want a part time EM to be shared with another shard.

    Also, our EM needs to have the full support of Mesanna with regards to receiving the correct number of accounts to properly do their job.

    A proper EM has their EM character as well as some NPC's. The Siege EM is limited to the one character per account rule, and as such, EA must be willing to give them multiple accounts to do their job properly.

    We need a properly supported EM that understands the Shard politics and ruleset.

    Good luck.
     
  18. Mr.StinkyPants

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    well i nominate nightstalker as the new em but that ******* got a job so idk wtf, but i think his creativity could make for some fun ass events imo :thumbup1:
     
  19. Arradin

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    While i understand where you are coming from, i think its an weird angle to look at it from.
     
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    Vote Wulf for EM!

    A swoon for every lady, and a stab for every man! That's my promise to the Siege community!

    Of course, they'd probably make me use a pseudonym, and everybody would be confused by the dangerously sexy Fluw fellow that all the women want to be with, and the men want to be... with also. Then I'd go mad with power and rebuild the shard in my own glorious image, leaving minor pockets of resistance which I would occasionally take time out of my day to crush with an iron fist for amusement.

    Years later some devs would come by to check in, see a 100x size statue of my character's torso holding up a torch on Magincia beach next to some apes, and scream "OH MY GOD! WULF BLEW IT UP! YOU *******!" as they fell to their knees.

    Brb, time for my caffeine.
     
  21. kelmo

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    Like you have time for all of that...
     
  22. Arradin

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    *reads thru it a 3:d time*

    ...

    Nope sorry, still doesnt make sense. :D
     
  23. Wulf2k

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    What if I limit myself to half a swoon for every woman? Or two swoons each for 25% of the women?
     
  24. Hoffs

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    Well, your original question is a good example of how things are. What's left of the Siege population DOES want an EM, or at least is not against having one. The previous EM resigned because he was fed up with the small turnouts for events. But the major reason for that was simply the low numbers of people who play here now. However, knowing how the Devs think, that has probably been interpreted as "Siege doesn't want an EM".

    If they had listened to us a year or two back and had been more proactive in supporting it (and I'm not talking about code changes here), then maybe the shard would be in better shape.
     
  25. Arradin

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    I belive good ongoing events , Siege Style, would be a little more help to attract more people to the shard then " this shard is dying, noone care JUMP SHIP GAISE " .. ?

    But i understand your point(s)
     
  26. Førsaken

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    Actually, it was one simple, innocent question and she was being a super ***** about it instead of saying I'm sorry, I cannot answer that question at this time and mainly handle the shard EMs.

    But hey, continue on not knowing wtf you're talking about-I like it. :popcorn:
     
  27. Arradin

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    I´m sorry, i was wrong and you're right.
     
  28. Wulf2k

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    I know what each of those words means individually, but I've never seen them laid out in that particular order on the forums before.
     
  29. IanJames

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    At least not on the Siege forum....
     
  30. Sunchicken

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    I think siege is to far gone for a mear em to fix its problems.

    The gap has grown to wide between this shard and others.

    Look i like events as much as the next person, but i think there are more serious issue that need to be looked at before lack of em becomes predominant issue.

    Im not saying im just saying...
     
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    That might be true.

    But its a step in the right direction ..
     
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    This.... is exactly my sentiments.

    Arradin what shard are you coming from? I'm just curious. It was nice to see you at our event the other night, but the number of people who showed up to that were actually more than would show up to an EM event at this point.
     
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    Ian I am one of those people. I seldom if ever show up for an EM held event.
    I DO show up for player run events when I can though.

    I lost my taste for those EM held events, on Chesapeake, where nearly every EM held event is a large mob of folks shouting gimme gimme I want over some thing possibly an EM *may* or *may not* hand out to where the events would be overshadowed by 'self petulate item frenzied spoiled UO BRATS' who really disgust me to no end, acting like spoiled brats expecting everything handed to em on a silver platter, greed is their only mantra. They could care less about an EM held event they just want no demand, to get more pixel crack items. :gun:

    The events may be great but one hardly gets to enjoy em when everyone present is acting like they are standing before santa claus or some uo items guru ordering santa the items guru, to GIMME STUFF like a mob of unruley spoiled brats. It turns me off to no end, so I oft never even attend EM events, no matter what shard those events may be held upon.

    Yet last time I attended any EM held event on Chesapeake, all I would see were the wonderous town banners, town teleporter tiles some EM made and all this special foo foos stuff another shard seems to get that we never do, one is disheartened feeling yeh now I am really depressed for Siege, Siege been ignored for too long via various methods EA itself, EMs and yes players too when they COULD make a difference talkin civil to an EM in game at some event, they just pk em or whatevers talk nonscences 'at' em and nothing gets accomplished FOR Siege like elsewhere inspite of the players pro and con like other shards. :( One just gives up after awhile.

    Constructive things hardly ever occur in some sorta mob mentality set up anyhow...of one over worked EM when or if there is one even, and a buncha customers all wanting something or somethings all different..end result, big failure, usually.
     
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    If I may, I responded to an email link Ian posted a month or so ago after Speedy stepped down. I informed the individual I was interested in the EM position and I was too told that they had been told Siege didn't want an EM an so they would not be replacing one.
     
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    I have a feeling it has something to do with the "dwarf" event where a boss was summoned that the people who showed could not even come lose to killing, then reds got restless and started killing people, none of the pvmers trying to kill the boss were very good at pvping, so pretty much everyone left/died, and the EM was displeased that we didnt try hard enough.

    Eventually we reformed and took it down, but I got the feeling the EM was very displeased that we basically gave up after being raided when he had gone to the trouble of getting the ok to give us some neat rewards (like we had asked for when the one lady showed up in game).

    Understandable, but I just don't know that that kind of event is right for the current situation of the shard population wise.
     
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    I'd think the EM could turn off his invulnerability, pump his stats, and PvP the raid. Make himself strong enough to give them a challenge without insta-whacking them, and carry something neat but not overpowering in case the raiders manage to kill him.
     
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    I´m glad you wrote this, because i know EXACTLY What you mean.

    But how is that EA's fault? It's the playerbase, AND possibly bad EM's ( No Disrespect to anyone working hard, i dont know abou the specific events )

    Siege is not like other shards, people here want different stuff, and need to be viewed out of an different angle..

    But i´m just saying, it feels like We ( Siege ) say that " nah, no use for a EM we need X and Y first " ... Which is.. Meh.
     
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    but WHY is that? Why would people rather sit and drink ale and talk nonsense for a few hours, instead of some teamwork based events with storylines and possibly rewards?
    is it the sole fear of getting griefed/PKd, or what?

    I think this discussion is rather important, because it seems everyone has become very negative to everything because of what has happened, or rather, lack of stuff ( From EA ) .. and i belive we need to try to change this ..
     
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    Well I know that personally, I tried to get to any EM events that got held. Sadly since I work second shift, or I have plans, I almost always miss out.

    I try to go to player events as well, but the same thing happens. It's rough for people who only play past midnight with any regularity. But I digress.

    I think QZ is right about the iffy appeal of em events. Most people show up for whatever uber kewls the robe may be dropping on stuff, hell, I won't deny it, thats why I go. I am a pixel junkie, but its a big turn off to some people to deal with all the greed that happens.

    Also the events themselves are generally pretty lame honestly. Im not even saying thats the EM fault. I really don't know, but a lot of the time, its some random thing like "Everyone rally at xxx location, xxx is there being evil! Kill it!". I really just don't think EM have the powers/time to make a compelling story happen.

    On the other hand, player events are easy for everyone. If its just some players wanting to meet up and chat... no pressure, no expectation. Just a good time with friends. Why not go?

    I do think that there is also an issue with events getting raided, and the pvmers needed to complete the event getting killed. Now, I'm not suggesting that this is wrong persay, I think the real problem is that there are VERY few of the old cut of pvper, those who played to PROTECT those who needed it. To defend from raids, and protect the noobs and pvmers.
    Back at Wispwood in the hey day there were some pretty bad ass shirefolk who would keep the baddies at bay while the rest of us cowered in the tavern. Thats how it should be, but those peeps are gone now. Perhaps the game is just different.

    Really I think all an EM for siege needs to do do be popular and helpful, is two things:
    Firstly once a month have a night that starts with a meetup maybe at a specific location, for a hang out, meet and greet (new people are always puzzling over where to find people, this would help) maybe with some simple games, like mongbat dartboard, archery competition, costume competition, chicken battles, etc with appropriate door prizes, then after gate everyone over to an arena for a pvp tournament. Make it like a monthly festival, which lasts a better part of the day. Plenty of food, fun, and fights for all.

    Secondly: Occasionally drop a hoard of buffed up purple balrons (or cows or snakes, whatever) on luna, or umbra, or the new attempt at a player village. Have the drop magical orange ferns...whatever, just some fun monster killing to do with some stupid trinket to remember it by. Nothing stressful, no story or boss even need.

    Those two things are both pretty uninvolved, and I think people would be into them.
     
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    Wow, WTF....

    I'd like to know how told "them" that "we" didn't want an EM. And better yet, how Siege as a community arrived that definitive decision and deployed that information to Messana.

    This is officially a bag of ****. Here we have yet another member of the community offering to step up to the position, and now Messana has decided we just don't get one.

    Well, guess what Messana, You're ****ing wrong, again.
     
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    yes, ofcourse the time is a huge factor, especially with the split US/EU Timezones .
    But this is great, keep ideas coming !

    Besides begging devs for help, we should do stuff like this, trying to change what we CAN change!

    So lets keep ideas flowing!

    personally i LOVE the old style " clues leading to clues " , where you can just .. leave it.. and people always try to run around to find the spot, etc etc.. Not time specific, but people can do it when they got the time..

    more ideas , commends and suggestions please :) Gogo!
     
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    We are not afraid of getting griefed or PK'd. If we were, we would have our player events in private houses, not public ones. Are you forgetting that Elmer Fudd showed up and PK'd us all? It happens at every event on Siege. None of us are afraid of that.

    We often have team based player run events. You've been to ONE event on our shard, please don't assume that's all we do.
     
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    Thats what im trying to say... What im trying to get to.. That i also was very confused with the statement that Siege doesnt want one, and we should come to the conclusion that Siege DOES want one.

    But its not just placing an EM, people still seem to be negative, and fact remains. when there WAS an EM here, noone came.. Why?
     
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    Maybe i wasnt clear enough, or you simply missunderstood me.

    i didnt refer to indoor events or anything like that. I ment peopel are negative when it comes to EM's , due to how it has been.. I don't think people are scared of being PK'd , or they wouldnt play here.. Thats not what i ment.

    I´m just trying to make clear why people dont come to EM Events, and how we could make it better, and more fun.

    I am relativly new here, so im trying to get a bigger idea how people feel about things, to be more of one here, and not an outsider visiting.. if that makes any sense to you.
     
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    Well this Sieger never mentioned not wanting us to have an EM, in fact when we once had an opinion poll on this forum,

    I voted 'with those' that felt Siege like a few other shards should get 2 EMs, especially since we do have so many Europeans on this shard. Whether I attend EM run events or not, I would still rather we have them here than not. I did attend briefly the last time Siege had an EM show up in Skara Brae to lead some thing on this shard.

    And I know WE can not have the town banners, town house teleporter set ups that were completed on a shard like Chesapeake where folks can even go beside Luna there, click on a statue EM placed and be wisked off to the various player run towns all connected all over Chessie. *which we lack sadly even one EM event to get this shard up to snuff on new now nearly old, EM assistance to create shard wide, town connections, town banners, community connection sorts of events.

    When EA started planning this every shard was to be treated to the same story lines, EM's askin for players to vote on a few designated player run towns, to which he or she would also connect via EM placed statues, and to the end extreme, towns then later on select their *loyalty* to which later on EMs could *invade* player run towns with monsters or creatures whom were opponents to a player run towns *loyalty* be it to Dawn or whomevers.

    But then...on some shards players co operation to make some one big something happen for the good of all of them, that is bigger than their own agendas or individual guilds differences, putting their differences aside, for their shard's greater good, sometimes if not oft times seems lacking...HERE.

    We need attention from EMs and EA both like yesterday and NOW, and more co operation amongst our selves as customers here too, or it isn't gonna be happening and we will continue to loose our shard's player base/population.

    I think maybe EA got confused, there were folks here that said they do not want an EM here that does not remotely fathom the Siege ruleset and uniqueness, preferrring an EM that DOES *get it* regarding Siege Perilous, not some *carebear* never set foot on Siege ever thus clueless sort of SP EM. :)
     
  46. HaHa

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    So im assuming you applied and got turned down?
     
  47. Arradin

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    And that comment was a counterquestion to the statement that the 'Welcome to the neighbourhood' event got more people than most EM Events recently.. and i tried/trying to figure our why.

    I have no idea what quantum did, i wasnt here at that time, care to elaborate ? :)
     
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    Sorry perhaps completely ****ed them over would have been a better turn of phrase.

    What I meant was the NEW books that got locked down then removed. The wasted hours on events because they were told one thing and a totally different thing happened. I could go on with this rant but I think the rest of the thread has already stated it.
     
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    No I don't care to elaborate as it only dredges up painful stuff from the past that we as a community moved on from.

    If you want to find out, do a search for Quantum on the Siege forum.

    This one will get you started: http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=133042
     
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    QFT!
     
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