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Single most powerful spell in Pvp?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Goldberg-Chessy, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. Goldberg-Chessy

    Goldberg-Chessy Crazed Zealot
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    Pound for pound what is the most powerful offensive spell in Pvp?

    I personally believe that it is the Curse spell with Strangle a distant second.

    Obviously there is no definitive answer but I am curious as to what people think.
     
  2. Ailish

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    Evil Omen. Anything that can completely negate a whole skill for one hit is way TOO powerful ...
     
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    Thirding evil omen, and my main is a necro mage...
     
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    Kal Ort Por?


    Ori
     
  6. Goldberg-Chessy

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    True but I believe that curse is much more powerful because it is almost universal and doesnt rely on the next spell to make it powerful as Evil Omen does. If you Omen me but are unable to get the next spell off for whatever reason it is basically negated. Not so with Curse
     
  7. Norrar

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    from what ive heard, the most powerful spell is "All Kill"
     
  8. Eht/Longbow

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    Curse definitely.
    Evil Omen a Close second or third

    Harm, Harm, Harm, Harm, Harm, Harm...
     
  9. Ender

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    This.
     
  10. Ailish

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    You have a good point. I guess I dont really consider curse as I usually dont even bother to remove it 99% of the time and unless I am up against a particularly good necro-mage it doesnt even seem to cause much grief.
     
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    Magic arrow
     
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    Wither wither wither wither wither....AKA Wither spam. My sis is a menece with it!
     
  13. o2bavr6

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    You have a point but I personaly think it's evil omen as well.

    Curse only lowers your resists to 60, which isn't that bad. And you can still run away after cursed as well.
     
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    Very true without a doubt. It takes no mana to "cast" this spell and the only "regeants" used are bandages.
     
  15. peanutbutter

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    the most powerful spell in the game is "pwned"

    at least, that's how all the L337 people spell it...
     
  16. Tomas_Bryce

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    Huh, curse does lot more than "just" lower your resists to 60s.
     
  17. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Dont forget about the huge loss of stats from Curse. Among other things it can mean that a warriors bandages take a full second longer to hit.
     
  18. o2bavr6

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    True, but it does not lessen the damage that they can dole out.

    Most templates have certain weaknesses. I can fight archers all day long on my tank mage and in most cases win. but there are times where I get mortal spammed which is hard to defend against. I dont consider running a defence, lets take it for granted we are dueling on wrong roof. But my tank mage has huge trouble against necro mages because of how the tempalte is set up.

    Also mage templates (that dont have necro) do not deal very much damage compared to warrior templates. My archer does huge damage and can 2 hit kill people with low phys.

    My mage can not two hit kill anyone with 2 flamestrikes, unless they have well below 50 fire resist, and even then it usualy leaves them with a bit of life.

    It also takes 3 seconds per spell to cast at which time you have healed up from the baindaids and pots and in some cases cases Chiv.

    I just dont think that Curse is that overpowered, compared to a dp dexer who is dp'ing you on ever hit, which means you have to either disarm to chug a pot, or just chug a pot. but while you are doing that you are not casting anything offensive.

    As i mentioned my mage is geared to fighting warriors of all templates but there are some tempaltes that I can barely get a heal spell of let alone an offensive spell off.

    But i don't mind because it makes the game interesting and satisfying when I do win.
     
  19. Limlight

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    This is easy...

    Create Food...

    Very over-powered.
     
  20. Ailish

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    In all fairness, he did not ask about the most *overpowered* spell, he asked about the most powerful spell. In that matter it could be a toss up - the large amount of debuffing curse does (all elemental resists AND all stats) vs. the total negation of a skill.

    Also, evil omen works in other ways - yes it negates your resist skill, but even if the next spell has nothing to do with that skill, such as a flamestrike, it still hurts a snot ton more. And it can be virtually cast on the run, having a bit less of a delay than curse.

    Curse, however, can be devestating if the person hit with it is in a bad position. An extra second on the bandage CAN be the difference of life and death, particularly if more than one person is hitting them. Making a mage drop their shield if their str is a touch low can also be devestating.

    Regarding wither - yes, it can be spammed, but honestly, unless you are literally stuck next to the spammer with no way to heal, you should be okay. If they are spamming with no delay, they dont have protection on and you can interupt the spell. If they have protection on, then they have a bit of a delay that should assist you in healing, not to mention they might well be working on low resists that make them very weak to your attack. I find a dexer to be the best bet against a wither spammer :)

    All Kill is not a spell, and is certainly not the most powerful action - tamers are usually far too easy to kill to make that the case. Kill the tamer, problem solved in most cases.

    I have also heard various arguments that strangle is high on this list, and it is equally devestating to dexers and mages alike, interupting the mage (and chiv healer) and dropping stam fast on the dexer. Stam drop = slower swing times, more misses, and less ability to move away for the heal to take effect. (note here - I say move away, I do not mean run 3 screens away. I dont consider that valid unless you are trying to avoid fighting altogether, such as being ganked. I tend to move in a wide, on screen circle around my opponent if I am waiting out a bandaid or disarm.)
     
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    *enable speeder program*

    Besides all the cheating......I would agree EO is very powerful considering it's effects, cast time and low mana cost.
     
  22. Doomsday Dragon

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    I would say evil omen but the only reason that spell is so powerful is because people usually follow it up with paralyze. Unless you use paralyze right after then the spell is nothing at all.

    Curse is also a nasty one in pvp but I can easily survive a fight while cursed so I cannot consider it all that great.

    Strangle however can be bad and depending on the type of character your using when you gt hit with it things can be pretty bad.

    Most of this comes down to what type of character your using in the fight.

    If your a mage with no protection on and get hit with strangle it can be pretty bad for you but in the same way strangle is bad for a mage blood oath is pretty bad for a dexxer. If you run into a fight with your specials readied and a fast weapon and the first thing you get hit with is blood oath you are in trouble because your going to deal out so much damage to yourself before you can stop.
     
  23. Spector_Napa

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    Wind. In the hands of a compitent pvper. wind can cripple 5-10 people all at once.
     
  24. Ailish

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    I dont know a single mage that PvP's with protection on ... it is a silly thing to do because of the slow cast time you get from using it. As for Blood Oath, that was fixed a year ago to do a resist check - at 120 resist, I can easily live thru a Blood Oath, and I am putting out between 40 and 80 damage a swing (yes, in PvP).

    Spector brings up another good one. I was only thinking along the lines of 1 v1 or small group, but in choke fights essence of wind is a doozy, as is wildfire and thunderstorm. When defending a choke on my SW'er I always cast those 3 spells together when people attempt to push my fields. It is a rare moment when the push suceeds against that, especially if you add DP fields into the whole mix :)
     
  25. Kith Kanan

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    I think this is correct
     
  26. Lord Kotan

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    I believe in group PvP, especially in choke points (like depise bridge), that wither is.... it's an area effect EB every .5s. And in some cases (like in wraith form), it makes it a LOT harder to run out of mana.
     
  27. Essence of Wind is by far the most powerful spell in the game with a high circle. It is easy to tell who are competent, well experienced pvpers on this board by their answers, and I must say, there are precious few.

    Curse is second most powerful, resists to 60s, and stat loss.

    Strangle is likely the third most powerful.

    All kill is quite lethal in the hands of an experienced pvper, even though it is not a spell.
     
  28. Doomsday Dragon

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    I really can't comment on protection much I don't pvp as a mage though I have so don't doubt my knowledge but I know people who run protect on their mage and can pvp well like that. I myself never could for the reasons you mentioned.

    Like I was saying though much of this is based on circumstance. If your in a group or solo or what characters are in the fight. Many of the attacks and spells are powerful in the right situations at the right time. This is why it is so hard to determine the best spell of all.
     
  29. Peacemake!

    Fear the bard!!!!:gun:
     
  30. Omnicron

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    all kill

    evil omen

    curse
     
  31. Limlight

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    You must not play on Atlantic then...I can name quite a few that do....

    I play in it as well.

    Its not as bad as you think. You dont need to build your template around FC...so building the suit is cheaper and I actually end up killing alot of people just because they arent expecting it.

    I play a Protection Necro Weaver Mage.

    Dexers are usueless as blood oath rips Dexers apart.

    and alot of mages spend their time trying to fizzle you and its too late.

    Exceptions to this would be most of VIP!. Especially Jerry Austin, he rips me apart..
    But they fight smart and usually spend the first 10 seconds of every cursing, strangling, omening you.

    But for the most part...Protection mages can be effective.

    Chewie from HOT plays in it and is effective.
     
  32. Radun

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    Paralyze field.... or blood oath.... or lightning.... or pain spike.... or....
    whatever the situation calls for at that precise moment...

    p.s. for the record, a mage that knows what he's doing can take out any mage who has protection on.
     
  33. Shotgun

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    just my .02 cents..........all the other posters have good arguements for the spells they listed and i agree with alot of what they said but in my opinion the spell i would say is the most powerful is.......*evades*
     
  34. Limlight

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    Agreed...but ALOT of mages realize it too late.
     
  35. Nexus

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    I'd go for a tie between Harm and Magic arrow, they cast fast, interrupt others casting, cause bandages to "slip" reducing effectiveness.
     
  36. envinyatar

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    *takes notes*
     
  37. Sarphus

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    "all kill" isn't a spell... it's a whiner's talking point. :bdh: adapt...

    Essence of wind is very powerful if you have a high lvl focus and can get it off in a fight.

    I think curse is more powerful than EO in general, but EO can certainly be lethal if you use it right. Curse is powerful no matter how you use it.

    Consecrate weapon is the best spell against people with unbalanced resists :)
     
  38. Sarphus

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    I've gotten away with that too, but as soon as they figure out you're in protection you have to toggle out of prot or you're toast.
     
  39. drinkbeerallday

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    too late? any decent mage is going to figure it out very quickly