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So I got a Valorite Runic Hammer.... What to make..?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by eekamouse, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. eekamouse

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    Right now I'm leaning to just burning through and making Magekiller Leafblades (for the HML), since my Sammy is a fencer. (Don't laugh. I always have and always will be a fencer)

    But I've heard it's good to make Verite Mempos (not sure why).

    What else should consider? What would you make if you had a Fencer? I have plenty of mage types as well so any Samurai armor (with automatic Mage Armor) is welcome as well.

    Maybe some fencing weapons with Whirlwind ability for Spawns?
     
  2. Chardonnay

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    Lock it down and imbue a weapon the way you exactly want it...
     
  3. eekamouse

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    Feh. No. I want to be able to PoF it for infinity.

    I have scores of Shadow and Copper runic-made weapons that I've imbued already.
     
  4. Chardonnay

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    Then cross your fingers and stick a four leaf clover up your a$$ and hope to god you get something useful...
     
  5. eekamouse

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    Anyone else have any ideas that's not a troll?
     
  6. Cetric

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    Sell it to someone else who feels more lucky, then imbue yourself something =)
     
  7. Chardonnay

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    It's the truth...imbuing made all those runic hammers worthless...
     
  8. eekamouse

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    Imbuing stops at 500% max intensity and will break one day.
     
  9. Cogniac

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    But the odds of you getting anything useful to you or any other human being in the history of the universe out of 15 charges is fairly low.
     
  10. Cetric

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    Then you make another one.
     
  11. eekamouse

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    I love how people are telling me to "sell" a "worthless" item.

    :heart:
     
  12. Chardonnay

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    I love your crying and reading comprehension...

    I said lock it down and imbue something you really want but i got called a troll and now others are telling you the exact same thing and you still fail to realize the facts...

    Not too mention with all the duping of vally runics it probably is "worthless"...
     
  13. chad

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    Make leaf blades of ease. Only item worth making with a val hammer.
     
  14. Paps

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    I personally would probably sell it.
    However if i were to try to craft something with it....
    well for armor i would try either for arms or neck slot.
    My reasoning is that faction gear covers most of the other slots and need both arms and neck with high fire and poison to become corpse skin proof.
    [givin you may not do factions but if you make armor thats good for it `that` then can be sold]

    as for fencing weapons,,,warfork....then possibly a kryss.

    tbh though,,,i more than likely would sell it.
    I have the 120 imbuer
    yes eventually the weapon will break
    if forted to 250+ first that means in maybe 1-2 years
    and then,,,i`ll make another one just like it.
    Chardonnay really isn't trolling,,,he's just being honest with you.
    pre-imbuing yeah the hammer could easily get you 15-20 mill but
    the more imbuers out there the less demand for the hammers there will be.
     
  15. Hildebrand

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    I'm in need of a good runic fencing weap too, but for my ninja.

    I never liked the magekiller since it gets, what... 16% HML? So I never bothered. But looking at the list of leafblades, it seems to be the better of the others.
    http://uo.stratics.com/content/skills/blacksmithing.php

    Unfotunately, there's no Abyss mana leech/drain fencing weapons either from what I can tell. Therefore, runic might be the best way to go.
     
  16. Divster

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    whilst chards post may have seemd like a troll to you in fact the chances of making anything from the entire burn ability of the hammer that is reallly really worth keeping are so small that your best bet would be to sell it...

    if you had many hammers i would say burn em or if you believe in your own luck then burn it but the odds are against you. burn it and risk getting nothing or maybe just maybe a keeper. Sell it and get a guarenteed income *shrugs* its up to you but if you decide to burn it and hope for the best then i hope you get what your after :)
     
  17. eekamouse

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    Does the 16 HML stack on top of whatever the runic rolls?

    Or, is it more like "If the runic doesn't roll HML, you get 16 HML for free on top of the other 6 mods?"

    If that's the case, I'll just do True Leafblade for the 5% Poison Resist heh.
     
  18. BeefSupreme

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    The only way I can see them making the higher end
    runic hammers useful again is by allowing the user
    to select the properties. Not necessarily the intensities
    though. There would be some randomness still,
    as you'd haveto select what, 7 properties for a Val hammer?
    And then you'd only get 5,6 or all seven of your choices.
     
  19. Hildebrand

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    Yes it does stack the 16 hml on top of the, let's say, 50% hml you might roll. So it might be able to get 66% hml.
    And, yes, if you don't roll hml, you still get the 16% hml, but that's so low, you might never notice it go off on your hits. Remember.. it's 16% chance for it to go off... it's not 16% leech per hit. :lame:

    Oh, but if you do decide to play this Russian roulette, will you infuse with Gold ingots or valorite ingots? Gold=40 luck for free while valorite= spread of damages. If using Consecrate weap, you might not need valorite ingots.

    I see all these guy's point with the selling of the runic. Guarantee sell or leave it to the RNG for the mods YOU WANT. Very low chance man.
     
  20. eekamouse

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    Ok thanks for the tip about stacking.

    So... when I sell my worthless hammer, what will the buyer do with it? Sell it?

    ...?...
     
  21. Chardonnay

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    No, he'll lock it down for deco and go imbue something...
     
  22. Risso

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    Make Hiro Sodes or Mempos out of Verite.
     
  23. eekamouse

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    I can be passive aggressive too... watch me


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  24. Chardonnay

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    RAWR!
     
  25. eekamouse

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    Thanks Risso. I'll look into it.






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  26. Llewen

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    /this

    You probably won't get one, but there always is that one in a million chance that you might get an amazing piece that will put any imbued piece to shame. I'd probably go for hiro sodes for a dexxer because the Gladiator's Collar is a rocking neck piece if you can get your paws on one, although I haven't tried to build a suit with it.

    I'd burn it if it was mine. The worst that can happen is you get a bunch of relic frags out of it...
     
  27. G.v.P

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    Making Hiro Sodes or Mempos out of Verite usually gives the most balanced pieces of armor based on the resist spread which Verite provides, and the samurai metal items are medable through an innate mage armor property.

    With arms lore, most weapons you make with a Valorite Hammer will be better than what you could get if you imbued an item to 500% intensity, disregarding any successful enhancements done after the initial imbuing (+40 luck, etc.). You have 15 shots at a range of 85-100% intensity with a Val Hammer, plus an innate 40 DI, which means your intensity range is anywhere from 440-846.67, depending on if the DI rolls and what kind of item you are making.

    One reason for the argument is the cost of a Val Hammer may be better used to buy powder, relics, and a 500% intensity weapon through imbuing. A 255 dur weapon used moderately should last at least 2 years through normal play. Depends on what you fight, such as slimes, and such, which could speed up the process. However, imbuing cannot give you better quality items if the Val Hammer rolls exactly what you want.
     
  28. Fink

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    This is what I would do. People are too precious with stuff in the game. The odds of getting something ideal are slim, but you might get something great you can build around. What's the point in having it if you don't use it?
     
  29. eekamouse

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    QFW
     
  30. Nh'bdy

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    Bascinet and chain mail coifs.
     
  31. Lorax_Pacific

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    Congrats on the hammer! Not that I have any input on what to make with the hammer, but just to clarify the HML my memory differs from yours. If you do make something you don't like it will unravel to a relic so if everything is wasted then you could get 15 relics at value/15 per relic (maybe ~1mill ea).

    If you have 16% HML then you get a random number 0-16 that is a percentage applied to the total damage from the weapon. So if you roll a 5 then you get 5% of the total damage back as mana. Say the damage was 20 then 20*0.05=1 mana increase.

    If you have 66% HML then you get a number from 0-66 and that number is a percentage applied to the total damage back as mana. You could roll a zero or 5 or whatever up to 66.

    Wrong?

    -Lorax
     
  32. Harlequin

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    That's what I would do too. Rejects get recycled into relics.

    I'd concentrate on making just ml receipe weapons with gold ingots. In short, something that imbuing can't match.

    That's an extra 4 free properties - luck, lower req, 40 di and 1 from the receipe.


    Armour I will make with barbed kits. Again, rejects will get recycled into relics.


    Although val runic samurai plate is better on average, you can't make weapons with barbed kits. And weapons wear down a lot faster than armour. So to me it just makes sense to use runic hammers on weapons.
     
  33. Aran

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    Make daggers.
     
  34. Farsight

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    Now my hobby:

    Throwing math at it.

    The WORST you could do with making samurai armor pieces from a valorite hammer is having pieces with 540 points of intensity (5*80 from hammer bonus, 140 from mage armor, material bonus not included in calculation, as you can get it from imbuing too)

    The BEST you could do with making samurai armor pieces is 660 points (3*110 from LMC, MI, HPI + 200 from other attributes for hammer 140 from mage armor)

    Now weapons:
    Worst weapon from val-hammer = 400 points (5*80%, roll useless stuff AND damage increase)
    Best weapon from val-hammer = 770 points (UBWS, HL, HCI, FC 1, HLD, and 80% DI).

    But here's the rub. With weapons, you will get a worthless mod on each weapon (on average, at least one) such as resists, hit dispel, etc, so you may be better off imbuing all your weapons unless you have bottomless pockets filled with gold.

    My opinion based on my math (if it isn't 100% correct, it's pretty close):
    Make armor. You almost can't lose doing that.
     
  35. Pinco

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    I tried a val hammer in TC1 before waste one and I had really bad results...
    on 150 uses (150!!!) I get few nice pieces of armor...

    If you make samurai armor parts you have some chance to fail and if the item is not exc you dont get the free "mage armor" mod, so in 15 uses is a waste.

    For weapon is pure luck, but in my tries I dont get nothing that worth to keep. Maybe is bad luck but they have reason, is very easy to get the imbuing reagents and a weapon can survive lot of time...

    I used my char 8 hours per day and in 2 weeks I have the weapon at xx/250 and the armor at 90/255. You just only to avoid slime and acid things or you really destroy everything in 1 day...
    Oh and I dont spare my time with ettins, I usually do balron, greater dragons, stygian dragon, medusa, slasher and lots of champs and mini champs. So you can trust me, from the durability patch months ago, you can safely use imbued items.
     
  36. Hildebrand

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    You got it wrong for HML & HLL, but I think that's how it works for HSL. Two parts here:
    1)If weapon has 66% HML, it means this is the percentage chance to have this property go off. So you have a good chance of it going off (more than half the time per hit). A 16% HML weap will go off very little.
    2) As to how much you leech? You could roll a zero - xx (not sure what the math is). It's not zero -66 as you think. It's some other fuzzy math, but be assured it's a small amount of leech from the damage you do to the creature (but still useful). Same thing with Hit Life Leech (not as useful IMO). Hit Stamina Leech hasn't been nerfed this way and is in it's original math (as you listed above, I believe).

    Back to the Val runic. If he unravels a val runic made Gold leafblade, does he have to be Legendary Artificer to get a relic frag? At what level imbuer can you get relic? (I'm in the high 80's)
     
  37. Burn the hammer, with the expectation that you'll get nothing. When you do, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

    Oh, and for all of those saying Val hammers are worthless, etc...

    [​IMG]

    In your face. :thumbup1:
     
  38. Chardonnay

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    Congrats you made garbage...next time make a leafblade for PvM...
     
  39. Stupid Miner

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    ... metal armor can give... +1 resist over leather, i'd skip the armor.

    Leafblades of Ease would have the best chance at giving something good, and would be most likely to be profitable.

    Else...? Craft whatever you want.
     
  40. Llewen

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    Lorax has it right, Hildebrand has it backwards (switch the HML and HLL with HSL in what he says).
     
  41. I have one of those too with very similar mods, but why should I limit myself to one weapon when I have so many that are perfect for specfic uses? Besides, that axe, coupled with the 30 ssi from my suit, is devastating, and since I've experienced its use first hand, I'd say that would make me the authority on how good a certain weapon is to me. I'd tend to think more would lean toward my opinion on the manner than yours personally. Maybe it's just me. *shrug*
     
  42. Freelsy

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    This is a perfect example of why imbuing has somewhat made these magnificent weapons not so glorious anymore....

    I would have done un-reputable things to get an axe like that in the past! But anymore, I'll just imbue me a nice axe and get the same effect that he gets.. :(

    How much would one of those have sold for....say a year prior to imbuing?? 100mill minimum??
     
  43. omgmir

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    You're going to imbue with:

    DI
    SSI
    DCI
    HML
    HSL
    HLL
    HP
    HP Regen

    Do tell..
     
  44. Chardonnay

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    DI can be capped with other items...
    DCI comes on other items...
    HP comes on other items...
    HP regen comes on other items and has a cap...

    That axe wasted 4 slots sadly...


    Imbuing for the win?

    P.S. Split damages are bad too (rounds damage down) :(

    Can't you add HPI 4 and HPR 1 to a imbued weapon too?
     
  45. eekamouse

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    Are you serious? The fact that this weapon has all of these mods, means you can free up your other items to make yourself ridiculously overpowered....

    Someone please lock this. I don't care anymore. I'm going to burn the hammer and make bucklers.
     
  46. Chardonnay

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    All those mods can be done with imbuing...

    I dupe scissors for fun...;)

    Mmmmmmm...bucklers nice choice...
     
  47. BeefSupreme

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    Conner's weapon is F'in sick.

    I keep trying to buy it from him but he's not budging....

    That Ax w/ 190+ stamina...yup.
     
  48. Chardonnay

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    It is nice...:)
     
  49. BeefSupreme

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    Question is though, how many val. hammers did it take to get something that good?

    I've got 4 of em, plus another 3 verites I'm dying to try but I'm scurred!
     
  50. omgmir

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    7000 or 1.

    Gotta love RNG. :p

    But yeah the odds are not in your favor.