Hail: I wonder what the Creative Team, that Made UO, thinks of the game in it's current state? It is, of course almost nothing like what they envisioned, and then created. It was made in the Classic, RPG format, of Good vs Evil, in a Fantasy setting of the Game Ultima. This is what a lot of, "YOU", want. Ultima, without the On-Line part. Good, without the Evil part. Death, without the penalty of death part. and on an on an on. Right now, there is no Good vs Evil, it became Good vs Npc's and Creatures, and Evil vs Evil, with nothing to gain by it. It takes players that chose to be Evil, "in a RPG way", the ability to do so. My Red is over 9 1/2 years old, and was that way from week 1 in the game. But now i can not use my MAIN charater in any expansion that has come out, or will come out. Every time i see post about how much better the game is now, as far as insurance, and Fel?tram, and expansions, and so on. What you are saying is that the Creators of the Game were Idiot's, and they should have NOT made it the way they did. You know, When there were 5-7 times as many players as there are now. Even those that complained about the bounty system always seem to overlook this fact. PK Joe, 127 Kills, bounty at 150,000 gold. Then he gets a friend, or someone to kill him, and they split the gold. That was true. It was just as true, that if YOU, or anyone else would have Killed him when he had 125 Kills, and 148,000 gold, YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT, INSTEAD OF HIM. If you took the game from 1998, and kept the basics in place, and added the expansions we have now, WHILE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL IDEA'S IN PLACE, Bugs and exploits aside, There would be a hell of a lot more people playing this game, than there are now.