Seeing as I'm training up all my smiths to 120 (to make occasional BOD running more fulfilling), I happened into a few benchmarks. After all, someone needed to test out the ML items for inclusion in the FAQ... Item Crafted: Royal Circlet (6 ingots, craftable at 70.0 skill; requires Mondain's Legacy) Tests were done with 105 mining (GM with +5 Ringmail mining gloves), giving a 69.3% maximum return for ingots (rounded down). For the tested item in question, the return would be 4 back out of 6 used in each success (2/3, or roughly 66.666%) All salvage was done using a salvage bag. The +1 ingot return property of the bag meant that I would instead recover 5 ingots per 6 used per success. Losses from crafting failures tracked seperately. Data was partially lost from first test due to a computer glitch. Test 1: Started with 117 tool uses, sitting at an auction, using the forge and anvil 2 floors down from my seat (gotta love how the forge/anvil checks ignore the Z axis ) Skill Start: 109.5 (79.0% chance to craft). Got Guaranteed Gain first swing. Proceeded to get 4 more gains, the last coincidentally occurring on the last use of my last tool. End first session: 110.0 (80.0% success chance), having used about 120 to 140 ingots (successes & ingots used were the lost data) Test 2: Started with 400 tool uses, at home, 5 hours later. GGS was not therefore a factor, nor would any system that might give quick early gains (the speed at which I gained from 109.6 to 110.0 was suggestive of the "power hour" system that predated my introduction to UO). Skill Start: 110.0 (80.0% success). Skill gains: 2 (to 110.2 / 80.4% success). Note that the two gains occurred in the first 160 attempts, however. Successful skill uses: 317/400 (79.25%) Ingots lost in failures: 199 over 83 failures. Ingots lost from salvage process: 317 Total ingots expended/lost: 516. While writing this message the first time, a computer glitch caused me to have to reboot, before beginning a 3rd session. I will post this, then log back in for the next session.