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Something's gotta be done about dismounting

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kojak, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. Kojak

    Kojak Lore Keeper
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    because as it currently stands, it's an overpowering death sentence every time pretty much

    you can't go into dog form anymore
    you can't hide that close to people
    you can't remount for what seems like forever

    it's pretty much turned into whichever team can dismount first wins

    I'm kinda getting sick of it - something's gotta give
     
  2. Desolation87

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    Hmm, whenever I dismount people they run away, quicker than I can follow on a horse. :(
     
  3. Nystul

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    DCI
    EP
    GHeal Wands
    Smoke Bombs
    Invs Items

    Should last ya long enough to get remounted.



    If it's a team fight then your team needs better xhealing, invisibilities, walls, etc...
     
  4. Omnicron

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    Got to learn to have a way to handle. if you can stay alive long enough for you TO be able to go into dog form. Or have a pet ball with back up mount.

    I agree though, bolas should be tied to tactics and should not hit every time. i know with archery i miss a dismount every once in awhile.

    dont need to nerf dismounts, just bola hit chance.
     
  5. Jahira-Tor

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    I never had a problem when getting dismounted. I just say 'All Kill' and set my mare on them. Gives me time to get away. Or on my pvp non tamer, i use a smoke bomb. :) I also have a few invis items.
     
  6. Saris

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    You can also teleport to break line of site and pop a hide if you timing is perfect. They love it when you do that, I learned how to do it and how to counter it back in the day messing with Orc Scouts
     
  7. there ya go Kojak ... how about it?
    would a "timer" and/or a "increased chance to MISS" _with a bola_ work for ya?
    trim and tweak it up a bit with a "between use/swing" timer?

    yeah yeah ... all three with double digits would be nice ...
    so would a "chance to redirect" {smirk} and wrap it tightly knoted around the swingers neck ...
    bang 'im in the head with those little iron balls thwap thwap thwacrack! unconcious para's ...

    but lets focus on a minimum threshold for the moment ...

    eh? don'tcha just love it baby?
    hooyeah ... keep dreaming ...
     
  8. JC the Builder

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    They only way to prevent going into animal form is with paralyze. I see people using it all the time to get away. If you have 120 Resisting Spells then it is extremely difficult to get paralyzed.
    You only need to get 8 tiles away with 100 hiding in order to hide. Also there are those annoying smoke bombs.
    The remount timer is either 8 or 10 seconds, definitely shorter than forever.
     
  9. Nystul

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    Not to mention if you died in less than 8 - 10 seconds, you probably would'nt have lived on a mount :x

    But it does suck when I'm running on foot from like 5 people and they are like all trying to kill me, and I'm trying so hard to like get between a house for a wall haha. Stupid uo!
     
  10. Omnicron

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    I know the feeling lolz
     
  11. Masumatek

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    I agree. Dismount is a tool of the gank. It places more power where power is not needed; they have numbers, and that is power enough. It is a tremendous disadvantage to solo players (along with bolas), and I think it very likely the nonsense, completely unnecessary, overpowered gank tools such as the dismount special and bolas, are at least partially and perhaps mostly responsible for the general decline of the solo/small group play style.

    It is completely ridiculous to suggest that soloers be required to pick up a select few skills, such as stealthing/hiding ninjitsu, because of the gank. Furthermore, such skills might increase survival chance versus a gank, but that's they key word isn't it?-survival...they are for running away and do NOT allow the solo player to actually FIGHT the gank as he would be able to do with hit and run tactics if unable to be dismounted.

    It is completely ridiculous to suggest the game needs dismount/bolas to remain in the game to fight cheaters who speed up their characters. First, I question the accuracy of some people's claims that dismount is an effective tool to stop speed cheaters. Second, and more importantly, cheaters and the cheats they use should be directly dealt with. Allowing the game to suffer by allowing such imbalanced crap as dismount/bolas to continue is NO solution at all to this cheating problem. I suppose if you thought making the game all purple hindered cheaters you'd think that would be a good solution too instead of addressing the real problems?

    It is also completely ridiculous to suggest dismount is a requirement to defeat solo players. It may take some skill and coordination, but there's no reason a gank squad should *need,* as they often claim, dismount/bolas to fight a solo player or small group. However, they the gank squads, unfortunately being the majority, continue to prevent the replacement of dismount as a weapon special and removal of bolas from the game. I think very little of these people. They are the people who do not PvP for a good challenge. They want to win, and win only, and will ask for any imbalanced, idiotic tools that will keep the game in an imbalanced state. The ability to dismount someone is a completely unnecessary auto-win tool that adds absolutely nothing to the game and takes away from it so much.
     
  12. Masumatek

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    Also, there is only one good solution, that solution being complete removal of dismount and bolas from the game. I see no need to compromise in any way in this case. We do not need to tie bolas to tactics. We do not need to make an increased chance to miss with dismount. When something so idiotic and harmful to the game exists, what is the problem with outright removal? There is no problem with that, and that's what should be done.
     
  13. Nystul

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