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Soon there will be three "Ultima"s (well, two "official" and one "spiritual"), so poll time!...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Dermott of LS, Mar 13, 2013.

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Which "Ultima" do you see yourself playing?

  1. I'm staying with Ultima Online

    40 vote(s)
    40.4%
  2. I'm looking forward to Ultima Forever

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. I'm following Lord British to Shroud of the Avatar

    13 vote(s)
    13.1%
  4. I'm sticking with EA and playing both UO and U4E

    5 vote(s)
    5.1%
  5. I like Lord British's creations so UO and SotA

    25 vote(s)
    25.3%
  6. I like Ultima but tired of UO, so I am looking forward to trying both U4E and Sot

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  7. I'm a fan of all three and will be playing them all

    12 vote(s)
    12.1%
  8. Ugh! I can't stand any more Ultima or Lord British, I'm avoiding them ALL!

    2 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. Dermott of LS

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    Let's see where the chips stand. We have:

    Ultima Online The elder in the group, but still going strong. Unfortunately, it is showing its age and a lot of people have "moved on". In its favor, it still provides one of, if not THE, deepest MMOG experiences possible by being a virtual world instead of a "theme park".

    Ultima Forever The retooling and reimaging of Ultima 4. A bit cartoony in appearance and being released (at first at least) for iOS products only. Uses the new "always online, but multiplayer only if you want it to be" system much the same way that Path of Exile uses. Information and furor seems to have died down around it at the moment though.

    Shroud of the Avatar Formerly "Ultimate RPG" by Lord British himself. Also follows an online + offline option with new methods of bringing people into your gamespace online. Considered the "spiritual successor to Ultima". Still in early development.

    Where are you going? I've also allowed options for any combination, all of the above and none of the above for a reasonably fair poll.
     
  2. kelmo

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    *waits for the dust to settle*
     
  3. Lady Michelle

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    *runs in kicks up the dust * guess your gonna have to wait longer for the dust to settle MUAHAHA!!!!!
     
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    I'm not sure. Ultima Online wasn't just made by Richard Garriott, I think people like Starr Long and Raph Koster really did A LOT to make it work. Richard may have started the Ultima franchise but he doesn't really strike me as a brilliant game designer to be honest, so I'm a little bit concerned with Shroud of the Avatar. And Tabula Rasa was a great disappointment. So I have to see his new product first before I jump on the bandwagon. Ultima Forever just seems way too casual for my tastes, so that's not going to be it either.

    There are loads of other sandbox MMOs coming out this year and the next so I'm sure there will be something nice sooner or later.
     
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    I started with Ultima I back on an Apple IIe. Went on to Utlima II-V on my commodore 64.

    While UO is an awesome game and I love it, it's not Ultima anymore. It lost that flavor a long time ago.

    I am looking forward to getting that back. From what I've seen of SotA, I don't think I will be disappointed. Right now I am considering letting my accounts go a couple of months to jump into the kickstarter for SotA... I mean, I am already into the beta. But, for more.

    UO lost a solid vision and direction a while ago- and all the changes in leadership (it's been like a revolving door)- well, it makes me sad.

    At least for a while, I'll be playing UO and SotA. There is no way in hades I'll be playing that abomination they are calling Ultima Forever.
     
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    Unless I mis-heard it, Starr Long is on the SotA team as well.
     
  7. kelmo

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  8. Zosimus

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    Eh, I don't play UO anymore but I do have love for the game. I agree with NuSair that it's just not Ultima anymore concerning UO.

    I am giving SOTA a shot and I think it will be fun to play on my tablet.
     
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    UO still has a certain style I don't find in other games that I enjoy (yet to find any character I enjoy as much as my sampire in UO) but it's lost a lot for me as well.

    Shroud of the Avatar will definitely get looked into by me at least.

    Ultima Forever, meh. Probably not.
     
  10. cdavbar

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    Why give SoTA a shot when it is even more of a RL cash money game as seen from Kickstarter than UO is now?
     
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    Keep the comments clean and keep them fair. I hope this is a lively and interesting discussion... It could just be troll bait. We will see when the dust settles.
     
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    Because I believe in Lord British to be bluntly honest. The Ultima PC games are awesome. I still play Ultima IV at times. Not only has he made a believer of me with his past games, but when I was a volunteer at Dragon*Con working panels, I found myself 1 on 1 with LB for about 30-45 minutes.

    He has earned my loyalty though his past successes in the genre.
     
  13. GalenKnighthawke

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    My fear is that RG's game out-performs U4E, and EA takes it out on us.

    My hope is that interest in the franchise is revived, and at minimum UO carries on.

    -Galen's player
     
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    I'll likely stick with UO even as ticked off with EA Customer Service as I am. It's a game where I can find something to do no matter what mood I am in.

    U4E is made by EA. With the bad customer experience they've been, no EA game is an option for being a replacement for UO. Case closed.

    SoTa, from what I've seen so far it doesn't look fun. Having played Richard Garriott's Ultima series, SoTa could wind up very good. I'll check in on it's website off and on in the months to come and see how much depth and variety of play he builds into it. Having seen his past work and how fun it can be, being a future SoTa player is highly likely.
     
  15. Dermott of LS

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    Nah, not intending it as troll bait, I'm actually curious as to how people are reacting to the new choices. I thought it might be an interesting discussion as well.

    As for my own opinion, I've been with UO for 15 years... from the days of Windows 95 on dialup with a 17in CRT Trinitron to now on high speed cable with three 22in TFT monitors. I've played every client, every expansion, solo group, PvP (well, mostly in the earlier days), PvM, crafting, Siege when it first started, was wiped, and started again. UO is still fun for me, but its biggest failing has been that it simply hasn't kept up with the times technologically. Many issues have cropped up in such attempts from executive meddling to player backlash and here we are waiting to see if we can ever get the game updated for current resolution standards. Be that as it may, I have 15+ years invested in UO and plenty to show for it (even if my old guildmates have long since left).

    Ultima Forever excited me when it was announced. Here was a new Ultima game that was being marketed as an actual Ultima game. I never liked UO2... especially the technopunk Borgthorn aspect and hated to see that shoehorned into UO. I even REFUSED to buy LBR because I didn't want a Borgthorn doll much less one for each account I own. I also wasn't big on UX:O because of the models being used for the monsters. They looked too "Disney" for my tastes. I prefer a less cartoony game really. However, with the latest announcement that U4E was going to be iOS only (I own NO and will own NO Apple computer products if I can help it regardless of size), and now the apparent same level of silence coming from U4E, my excitement for that game has cooled. It is becoming more unlikely that I will be checking that one out.

    Shroud of the Avatar now has me excited. Seeing Lord British returning to RPG roots and putting together something that even if it doesn't have the name Ultima, is probably going to be the most "real" Ultima we've had in a long time has my interest. I've already chipped in to get into the game (alpha/beta/whenever) and really look forward to getting my feet wet in it.

    So for me right now, I'm a UO/SotA person. Depending on how SotA works out, I may swap over completely, balance both, or come back to UO... we'll have to see.

    I just thought it would be a fun poll to see where the rest of the UHall stood on the current state of things.
     
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    *Waits for stock options*
     
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    I'll be keeping my UO account.

    That said, Shroud of the Avatar isn't an MMO, but I'll be trying it. It looks very interesting. Ultima Forever will apparently be free to play so... I've no reason not to see what it's like. I'm just annoyed it is not available on PC right away.
     
  18. Uvtha

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    I sort of hate mmos honestly, and have lost a LOT of interest in video games in general. UO is the last mmo I will play I would wager.
     
  19. WootSauce

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    Not voting at the moment, but chiming in to say a few things. I am sticking with UO regardless of the other options. Ultima Forever - to me feels like it is not something that I would get into, but I will give it a shot. Who knows, my mind may be blown and I may just give it all of my attention. Oh wait, I don't have an apple device.

    As for RG's kickstarter...

    I have already pledged heavily into a kickstarter for a sequel to an early 80's game called Wasteland 2 put up by INXILE entertainment. This is run by Brian Fargo who was behind Bard's Tale and a number of very successful games through the ages. I donated heavily to his endeavor not just because I liked the concept, but because Brian has run studios and taken games from concept to finished product in spite of his obstacles. I don't have the same faith in Garriott to be honest. I will pledge some money to his kick starter, but it will not be a generous sum. If he has the capital and confidence to visit the moon, I think he would back his game's vision with a similar fervor as opposed to hitting up his fans for cash.
     
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    It will give him an idea of the potential minimum starting playerbase he can expect. Question will be whether what he creates can hold the interest of those starting players and more.

    I am really fond of an old text adventure named Gemstone by Simutronics. I played it from '88 to '02 and have gone back for a while repeatedly. The typing is murder but macroes help a lot, and it does have a real attraction to it. It's intensely RP and fun. Hopefully RG can create something with such a strong fun-factor. :)
     
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    By taking the money of the people who have an interest in his idea.

    Whether it succeeds or fails, and lets be fair, LB has more fail than succeed in the last decade. I also want to believe, but a kickstarter is not just a gauge on interest, it is an acceptance of cash from interested people believing in a promise (or premise). Garriott has a lot to gain or lose in this venture, and I hope for the best, but lets be honest, unless the kisckstarter is simply a test on his end to gauge interest - he IS taking money for his endeavor from people who believe in his name, ideas and track record.
     
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    You forgot one
    I am staying with UO, the other Ultimas are fun distractions at times and I am getting tired of hearing that Garriott is trying to relive his one and only great game series (Ultima and UO) IMHO Garriott had a vision and a great team to back him with funding from EA but has never been the same afterwards. He still to this date lives off his UO name and that is all he has. I love him and his team for Ultima and UO but it is time for him to give it up b4 he ruins his name anymore with failed attempts.
     
  23. Dermott of LS

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    The Kickstarter is mainly to pull in extra venture capital by giving access to the game early and/or extra goodies based on the level of investment so that they can produce SotA without having to go through a publisher like EA/NCSoft/Activision/Blizzard/etc. Basically, the more that goes through Kickstarter, the more like the older Ultimas in terms of freedom to build the game they'll have without having to go through suits and higher-ups.

    One of the problems UO (and Ultima from 7 Part 2 forward really) has had is dealing with the EA structure. For releases, they've forced games to be pushed out the door LONG before they were ready. U7 Part 2 had the second half of the game redone to fit time constraints, 8 was supposed to be more fleshed out as well and 9 was a complete mess. In UO terms, it's seen 3 clients forced out LONG before they were properly ready to be released and a general feeling of a lack of communication. Granted this has gotten marginally better recently, but overall, it's still a major issue.

    A smaller "indie" company can be a lot more open and quicker to push out publishes and patches to their game. I mentioned Path of Exile above which is an "indie" competitor to Diablo which right now is in the process of releasing weekly updates comprising both game polishing and new content. Right now, SotA through Portalarium is an "indie" game which allows LB and team to discuss what they have planned for the game without having to answer to any higher ups (because they ARE the higher ups).

    If you look at the bottom of the SotA Kickstarter page, you'll see that you DO get certain perks for the money you pledge, it's not just giving the money away hoping something will happen.
     
  24. WootSauce

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    Sadly Dermott, I honestly don't believe that Garriott has what it takes to deliver on his Kickstarter promise. As I stated before i have backed another long term KS project and I wont get to see how that pans out until October of 2013, an 18 month gamble from the time I backed it. We will see how it works out, but Kickstarter is not a place to pe-order a game, that is all I am saying.
     
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    Ultima Forever isn't going to kill UO, but Shroud of the Avatar could. It has housing, not sure if it will have pets. But the problem is it's in pre Alpha right now. Right now the demo looks like ****, to be honest. We really do need time for the dust to settle, IMO.

    PS--last I looked their KS had 800k, and they wanted about 1 mil. Looks like theyll make it.
     
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    What RG is creating is more like the Ultima fans are looking for and try to get into the new younger market that likes games in todays apps and facebook crowd. He will most likely succeed and make a ton of money off of it.

    UO is unique and it stands alone in todays MMO world but people don't have the time to play a game like UO a a new player. Skill gain is still a long process even with what UO has today to raise them faster. Plus 120 ps are needed. Then you have to read up on a library of information just to build a template, build a suit, the right weapons, use UOA on CC and figure out the EC features, add Pincos mods to the list, earn gold to just make it in the game, and pick the right shard so you have a decent population to play with.

    I am not slamming UO but for younger new players to be interested in UO they have to have the time. Teens are playing leveling games, better graphics, huge populations, but also have a short attention span. They get bored easily but UO would be like school work + university work + real life work = forget that. Technology has evolved and they want to text friends, twitter, downlaod music, where is the next party, console games, wonder what the Beibs is up to and so on.

    The only thing that will kill UO is when it's not making money anymore. When it starts costing EA more than what UO is making they will sell it or kill it. The ones against doing any more gaming than just UO if it did end, there are games you may find a little enjoyment out of if you tried them. If UO was so much of a hobby and enjoyment to many why give up that hobby and enjoyment because it is gone?

    UO will always be a big part of my MMO experience but I dont want to see it gone or dead. I have good and bad memories of the game but I dont let that stop me from playing other MMO's.

    SOTA and U4E are both focusing on a different market that some here have issues with and some others here don't. Both are more mobile focused. You just kind of go with the technology or one day you may not figure out that remote you bought with your new tv and cant turn the power on. :)
     
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    Will just have to wait and see how Shroud of the Avatar turns out.
     
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    I will continue to play UO when time and money permits, and UF will work nicely alongside it. Given that UF will be mobile, and F2P it will be quite appealing just as an Ultima game you can play when away from a PC or at work. Choosing to play both depending what device you're on is good. Shame it wasn't an option when I worked in an office lol.

    SotA... if it has a sub, no. It's also PC only which means it doesn't work well alongside UO by covering additional devices. Housing isn't a real pull for me now, I don't have enough gaming time to hoard lol. And not a big RG fan, his work on Ultima isn't going to make me follow him to this unless it looks great as a game. And it doesn't, at least not yet. Even if it was great, I have doubts it will last long. I can't put my finger on it, but it just doesn't excite me at all. And that makes me wary.

    Wenchy
     
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    I tend to like Garriott's phlosophy of and approach to game design, even it sometimes fails on production. Since I want more variety and depth in games, and that is never going to come from the existing games companies (unless they follow past practice and buy up an original independent developer, then crush them into the corporate 'thinking' so the game dies fairly fast anyway), I reckon new games with original or different approaches are sometimes worth supporting. Shroud of the Avatar fits my categories, lots of interesting new approaches are being discussed. I can't force them to be part of the final product, but rather than sit about waiting for the same old tired companies to ship another unoriginal clone or 'beta version' passed off as a finished product, I think it's worth trying to support something that might be better.

    The comments about 'taking people's money' as if that's a terrible thing to do make me laugh though - it's my money, no gun is at my head, and I choose if I use some of it to support an idea. EA 'take your money' too, and they are far richer than Garriott, and any of us, will probably ever be, but seem to have no concept of customer involvement, support, innovative thinking, original design..... can't see that sending a small part of my money elsewhere is any sort of negative concept.

    As mentioned, Kickstarter is a bad way to 'pre-order' a game, but it's a good way to try support the originality that is not coming from anywhere else.
     
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    I just footed $30 backing for Shroud on Kickstarter the other day. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
     
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    Right now, in pre-Alpha, Shroud of the Avatar looks like Fate. I'm expecting a little more if I'm going to invest. We know there will be housing, but whether or not there will be mounts, etc., is up in the air.
    http://mitchellhamilton.blogspot.ca/2013/03/shroud-of-avatar-video-transcript-2.html

    The major thing, though, is SotA will be more like Diablo in scope, not an MMO. So they're talking about 12 people in a party and stuff like that. UO doesn't have a huge population, but you can still have fights consisting of 20-30 people.

    If SotA is a FTP Fate then it could certainly steal away some UO subscribers, but it can't deliver what an MMO can, which will hurt it in the long run.
     
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    I play between 3-5 different titles on a weekly basis, so I'm calling "false dichotomy." SotA and UO are wildly different games; their shared lore affords them more symbiotic benefits than detriments.

    I fully expect quite a few Kickstarter supporters to re-investigate UO in the very near future.
     
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    Shroud of the Avatar gets my vote
     
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    UO Forever! :)
     
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    SoTa is likely to have a problem with the limited housing they mentioned. I was going to donate until I realized it would take a $500 donation to get a village house. Once the game opens, I can see game houses selling on Ebay as happened with UO.

    Hopefully the game has good content, offers many play styles such as being able to play a Crafter/Merchant, and has a UI that clicks with me like the CC does instead of clunking as the EC does. Graphics & Great Content you don't have a good UI to access it with will not keep customers. If we're lucky, RG has that aspect covered and his people can come up with a gem of a UI.

    Just so it's not basically a simple monster hacker, no I.Q. needed. That would definitely be a bummer.
     
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    I wouldn't as I didn't make it an either/or poll, but gave a choice of each combination to see where people's interests were lying based on the news provided. Some will play one of the three, some will play a combination of two of the three, some will play all three, some will play none. I also tried to not make the poll be specifically in favor of one over the other. Each have their strengths and weaknesses in comparison to the other.

    (Different post)

    We've gone around on this one before and I'm STILL not getting where you're saying that the CC's UI is better than the EC's UI. I just don't see it. Yes, I hope all three games achieve a useful and powerful UI (The EC already has that IMO... it's the ONE area that they've improved on).
     
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    I will be staying with Ultima online, But I will try the others and if I like them I will play them also. I am really interested in trying Shroud
     
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    Yep. When I saw the bit about limited housing... I closed the tab.
     
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    I'm staying with UO.

    Shroud of the Avatar does have my i hopes high for a UO replacement. However it'll have to be really darn good for me to leave UO.
     
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    Well I gave the kickstarter a few bucks, but watching the video and the promises of what the game will be reminds me a lot of the promises made of UO when it was in alpha. Regardless, no matter how good it might end up being, I can't imagine dropping UO for any new game - it's still utterly unique. At best SotA will be a temporary distraction for me like WoW, DDO and WO.
     
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    I don't think Shroud of the Avatar has ever been intended to be a UO replacement. It's going to be a very different game to UO. I reckon that both games will complement each other. What I am hoping is going to happen, and is already, is that Lord British's new game will be a success and that this success will bring new and old players back to UO. Perhaps the renewed interest in the new Lord British game will also give EA a much needed reminder that there are many hundreds of thousands of Ultima fans out there and that a new well-made UO game would be guaranteed to do well.
     
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    I really hope that some understands that SOTA is nothing like UO. It may have the feel of Ultima but it's not UO at all. Mobile people. Its will be more focused like a facebook game and tablets. Yes you can play it on a PC but he is jumping in the new market where UO can't because of the compexity of the game.


    Housing wont be an issue. Many game apps now have housing. stores and such. You friend people and go see their stuff. Most likely will be similar to those as being instanced.

    Let me add finally even though he gets his 1 million KS doesn't mean the game will be successful. The gaming world is fickle and full of players from different walks of life. He may get a ton of people in the game at first then bam, after a few months the population would drop drastically. I truly feel the game will be successful as a money maker and I will give it a shot from time to time when I have the chance but thats what the game is for. Not like a pure MMO that you are playing all the time.
     
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    I played UO because of Ultima. If I were to start playing UO today, having never played Ultima, I doubt very seriously that I would be hooked.

    I don't want SotA to be like Ultima Online is now. There are enough similarities and I don't agree that SotA is nothing like UO.

    Ultima Online is NOT Ultima. It hasn't been for a long time.
     
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    I was not going to play any of these new ultima games but after watching the Garriot interview now i m looking forward to that game something that have not happen to me in the last 10 years for any games
     
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    The initial release of SotA won't be as complex as UO... well maybe not UO now anyway. In one of the initial video interviews, LB talks about how when a new level of games are born, you return back to a basic version then build in complexity. He's also stated that SotA will not release with everything already in the game. Various crafting skills will be added over time as will more towns/villages/cities for player housing (as needs arrive).

    I think you may have SotA confused with U4E. U4E is going to be the "lighter" portable friendly game where SotA is being planned on being a more complex game overall.

    Just the whole dual-scale map system will make SotA much different from UO, plus the fact that it will have various levels from pure offline through wide open online and an actual plotline that will be played through.
     
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    Nope no confusion at all. SOTA will not be a MMO in a sense. RG has stated in the past already that facebook and mobile is the way to go. He isn't into making a mmo as some would love to think. Todays smartphones and tablets are just as strong as some computers 6 years ago. Part of my responsabilties for the site I work on is to know what is going on in many genres of games and U4E and SOTA will be competing in the same market which includes the mobile market and tablets.


    Just one of many articles below where he has stated about his feelings on MMO's so not sure what you are thinking that it wont be lighter and more complex. I didnt say it wouldn't be for PC but he is focusing on mobile and facebook. As he stated its easier to buy an app or a game for 2 to 3 bucks and people not think a thing of it. Angry Birds has been downloaded over 70 billion times. This includes free version and paid version. Imagine if RG got 3 billion downloads at 3 bones a pop that be 9 billion dollars. RG knows what he is doing and he is in no way making a more complex game that smartphones/tablets today can't handle.




    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6404/the_right_amount_of_depth_lord_.php





    The only difference between KS and a gaming company that would be his investor/boss is....

    1) The people dontaing the money has no ownership of the product. It's not an investment and wont see a return on it. RG and team has final say on the product 100%

    2) A gaming company would want their investement and more and has say on the product. They would have final say even to RG objections.
     
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    I've been following the SotA development feeds since I've put in my $30 to get in on the whole thing. The multi-player aspect actually has several different layers to it from Offline Solo to full open online. This is listed out in the latest Dev post via Kickstarter and is worth the read. I'm just going to focus on one statement (well three in the line really) instead of all of the stuff from TWO YEARS AGO since the SotA team has been tweaking their game model based on player feedback over the past week already.

    1. Correct, the donators do not have ownership in SotA.
    2. Incorrect. It can be seen as an investment but it is incorrect to say they will not see a return. For the $25-35, the return is early access to the game all the way up to the $10,000 level (which already sold out on the first day) which gives a laundry list of stuff up to and including meeting with the SotA dev team, a personal tour of Britannia Manor by Garriott and an original physical copy of Aklabeth. So instead of being a "stock" or "bond" in Portalarium, you're purchasing one or more perks or physical items based on your level of choice.
    3. Correct. RG and team having the final say was the entire reason why they went Kickstarter instead of going back to EA or NCSoft (or Activision or Blizzard, etc). Basically, consider the Ultima series up through Serpent Isle, then look at what steaming piles U8 and 9 were in comparison. That's his rationale, and given his experience, I can't really say I blame him.
     
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    No offense, but the way the items are designed makes it almost impossible to produce reliable results with this polls :gee:... Just saying...

    Here, youn can see why:

    • I'm staying with Ultima Online
    Yes!

    • I'm looking forward to Ultima Forever
    Yes, a little bit!

    • I'm following Lord British to Shroud of the Avatar
    Yes!

    • I'm sticking with EA and playing both UO and U4E
    Err, yes - I think so...

    • I like Lord British's creations so UO and SotA
    Err, of course. But why can´t I click this AND the other items?

    • I like Ultima but tired of UO, so I am looking forward to trying both U4E and Sot
    First item I would vote "No"

    • I'm a fan of all three and will be playing them all
    Can´t say that I am fan of games I have never see/played. But the second half of the item might be quite realistic...

    • Ugh! I can't stand any more Ultima or Lord British, I'm avoiding them ALL!
    Second item I would vote "No"


    So, next time I offer my skills as questionnaire designer for a social-empiric university department... That´s my daily business. Think I can help ;)

    NO OFFENSE! Just methodological criticism, hehe
     
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