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SP is the advance shard...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Krystal, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Krystal

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    So then why are greater dragons on our shard? we dont need them. you are making SP to easy now and this just isn't right! everything from farming to killing players is done by 1 to 2 hits from a greater dragon.
    i think we need to Delete Greater Dragons from SP plz! :heart:
     
  2. Nyses

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    Interesting thought. I would be ok with that.
     
  3. Dermott of LS

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    ...

    For some reason, I find this thread amusing.
     
  4. Draxous

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    I would love this...

    I'd also trade this idea for removing pet bonding from Siege... either way, it would be a win!
     
  5. Sneaky Que

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    How about they do what should of been done from the start with G draggys and make them non-tamable, that stop it from being to easy for tamers yes? IMO they should do it on every shard...
     
  6. mmmbeer

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    who cares....its sp
     
  7. Cogniac

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    SP also needs permadeath.
     
  8. Sneaky Que

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    Just because you, or I dont play SP doesn't mean others don't enjoy it.

    I just wish they had of made SP a real vet shard, that is a t2a shard, none of this AoS stuff...

    *sigh*

    So although I do not play SP (mostly due to living in Australia and the lag issues to SP that creates), I sympathize with their play style and think the pre-Ren style of a single, Fel ruleset is much, much better. In fact I know its better from playing in UO's golden age (t2a).
     
  9. Omnius

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    /signed

    We like difficulty: hard
    not difficulty : newbie
     
  10. ColterDC

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    I totally agree....
     
  11. Sneaky Que

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    Just make them non-tamable, I like having UBER dragons, reminds me of how normal draggys used to be, having them in the hands of tamers was a bad idea though.
     
  12. Hunters Moon

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    I couldn't agree more with this statement. GD's I don't mind when wild. A GD in the hands of a lamer tamer is wrong.
     
  13. Blesh

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    admit it, you just wanted to use the phrase "Lamer Tamer"

    i'm on to you!
     
  14. Hunters Moon

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    *looks around and tries to act innocent*

    :loser: "L" is for Lamer tamer
     
  15. Trebr Drab

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    I agree.
     
  16. Krystal

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    lamer tamers are only ones that would argue this! :loser:
     
  17. jelinidas

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    /signed

    No greaters and no bonding (of anything) would make me play SP more. Let me place a house here without interfering with my carebear one and I would also play there more.
     
  18. Chad Sexington

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    Maybe make Cursed monsters.

    Cursed = can't bond.

    :stir:
     
  19. Krystal

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    they were gonna let people grandfather houses here, but figured people would abuse it:( im all for it if it will bring people here, most people that come here tho quit thier other shard.

    but back to topic i really wish they'd take them dragons off SP, we dont need them, or make them untamable...
     
  20. Velvathos

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    This would be cool, to prevent the abusement, they could make to where you place a house, and you have to refresh it but that is if only you have a house on another server.. =P
     
  21. legendsguy

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    okay, why can tamers bond their pets on siege perilous but you can't insure weapons? seems like the only templates you'll see are tamers and thieves.

    kinda like how on other shards the only templates you're beginning to see are tamers and 'sampires'.
     
  22. Krystal

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    u get one personal bless item on SP. u can use on anything u want, a weapon or a peice of ar or a jewel... (u can switch what to use it on too)
    but yes there is a lot of tamers on sp right now. its sad:( but there also a lot of us with real templates:) just gotta stay away from the tamers unless u got a peacer or discorder with u :cursing:
    we had a suggestion to the dev's that pets shouldn't bond and if they want to keep their pet they should have to use thier personal bless on the pet!
     
  23. legendsguy

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    not sure how one equates a weapon with a superdragon, but good to see siege perilous has the same problems with wannabe-pvpers that every shard has. people! saying 'all attack' does NOT make you a pvper.
     
  24. Olahorand

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    I like my Greater Dragon also on Siege, and I wish to keep it. Maybe they could be weakened in PvP, if this is what you want ... (Seems you started the thread, because you had some issues with tamers with dragons ...)

    Too often when I read Siege threads I read "Take away" ...

    So why not start with give something back instead - non instanced corpses come in mind? Instanced corpses have no place on Siege.

    And let us visit the Castle British also, if we are non faction chars. To bad, that the main building of the kingdom gets blocked due to factions.

    *Salute*
    Olahorand
     
  25. Ni-

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    In my eyes, a tamer's pet(greater dragon in this case) IS their weapon. I really like the idea of forcing a bonded pet to be the personal blessing. Note: I don't play siege nore to I PvP...
     
  26. Stealth is a bigger problem than pets.

    Change the 0 to a 1 and give us back monster ignore versus pets. Problem solved. Factions revitalized.
     
  27. Stealth is not a real template. Sorry.
     
  28. gmcbroom

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    I am a stealth archer. Stealth is not a template it is a skill that anyone can learn if they so choose to invest the time and skill points to it. Stealth isn't used alot on other shards but a good 30-40% use it on Siege and for good reason. Stealth is often the only way to go anywhere on siege due to all the pvping around towns and roads especially if you can't gate ie no magery on your character. Now note there is actually a way to defeat Stealth and its easy to use. Its called the Detect Hidden skill. Now, that also requires you to allocate skill points to it. So, I recommend you do as I do. Either put your time in and get a soul stone once a year, or buy them. That way you can get around the skill cap issue. One costs you time and one costs you money so choose one.

    Now back on topic.

    Siege Perilous is an advanced shard and the ability of tamers to bond Greater Dragons has changed the pvp dynamic here. Before hand those who pvp'd others did it and only had to truly worry about those who gained pvp skills and retaliated against them. Now, with the Greater Dragons tameable, tamers need to simply learn how to type,"All Kill". This makes the pvpers have to second guess themselves and their tactics.
    I'm sure there is a way to kill the Greater Dragon and still pvp. But if not, that just means becareful whom you attack for they may have powerful friends. The key I truly believe lies in tactics. So test it out until you find one that works. Then you will be Truly unstoppable...again. Don't whine about the game. If the game truly aggravates you then you should simply stop playing it. Thats akin to changing the channel when you see something you don't like on tv. :)
    HTH
     
  29. Emil Ispep

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    Awesome. It went from the usual SP crying to tamer bashing..
     
  30. TheScoundrelRico

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    You are one of the game developers...aren't you?...la
     
  31. Krystal

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    funny thing is, also sad for us, is that trammie shards have it to where if u walk near a stealther they are revealed. makes sense right? i mean seriously i gotta be be blind in one eye and half blind in the other if i cant see a stealther coming up on me in an open field with a weapon and full AR on! i have no idea why they would have this on trammie shards but not on SP. :wall:
     
  32. You must be new.

    Let me explain this to you. Here is what happened.

    Production shards were overrun by stealth archers. People on production shards complained and complained and complained, eventually EA responded.

    EA's "fix" was to install passive reveal on production shards. At the same time, they increased the delay on the use of the detect hidden skill.

    On Siege, we didn't get passive reveal but we are saddled with the increased use timer on detect.

    The effect of this has been to create a shard full of stealthers.

    Now, with that many stealthers, why don't more people pick up detect hidden as you have suggested?

    Let me explain that to you. The simple answer is that detect hidden doesn't work well enough.

    I have a character with gm detect. This gives me about a 50/50 chance to reveal someone with gm hide. Sometimes, I fail 3 or 4 times in a row.

    Think about this for a second. A stealther can hide just as often as I can reveal them, but hide never fails while detect only works half the time at best.

    In other words, hiders can hide every 7 or 8 seconds while detecters can only reveal them on average every 14-16 seconds.

    GM detect will never be effective against gm hide because it simply doesn't work often enough.

    This could be fixed by reducing the skill use timer on detect hidden. After all, it was changed on Siege as a balance to passive detect and we never got passive detect.

    Alternatively, change the percentage chance for a detector to actually reveal a hider. 50/50 at 7-8 seconds between uses is simply not good enough.

    I don't mind if you want to use stealth to sneak around, but if someone does invest 100 points in detect hidden, as you suggested, it ought to actually enable them to consistently reveal hiders and currently it does not.
     
  33. Krystal

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    there also a thing called guard zones if u wanna stay safe or trammal. most people as u well know, dont use it just to get around. they use it to sneak up and dismount players, to say "all kill" then hide real fast (some dont even need to say all kill now they just stay hidden and get the pet to attack u). i dont get how people are even allowed to stealth around in animal forms, only form u should be even able to stealth in is rat form! passive detect should be on our shard just like it is on other shards!
     
  34. People PvP to fight other players. No one PvP's because they want to fight dragons. If they wanted to fight dragons, they would go to Destard.

    Some things call for adaptation. Others things need to be balanced. Honor in PvP, bushido crits and overpowered ML bows are past examples of things you couldn't adapt to. They required EA to change them.

    These greater dragons and other pets need to be changed for PvP.

    Especially on Siege, risk needs to match reward. With pets being "blessed", there is no risk associated with using them.
     
  35. BardMal

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    This post is funny - alla; "please make the advanced shard easier for us"
     
  36. That isn't what it says at all. It says make it difficult for everyone.
     
  37. eve

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    i think we have enough "stuff" overpowered already....... i think greater dragons should just die and not respawn....... ever.....

    Same for the uber weapons and armor, btw... to me, greater dragon is like using a machine gun to wipe out an ant hill....... yuck............

    On the other hand, we keep rotating power in this game, so maybe it is time to let the tamers rise to the top again....... *shrugs*

    Definitely get them off SP tho... SP is the closest to pure that we have anymore, don't ruin it............

    (pardon my temporary illiteracy)
     
  38. Kiminality

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    Won't it make it easier for the people who are having difficulty with other players with Greater Dragons, if the GDs are removed?
     
  39. The goal is to get people to PvP. In order to do that, PvP must be relatively balanced.

    You assume that it would be easier because you imagine people trying to fight the dragons and losing.

    In reality, no one tries to fight them because you can't win.

    So no, it doesn't make it easier.
     
  40. gmcbroom

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    Let me ask you all this. Why do you care? It is after all just a game. Moonglow , Krystal you guys/gals seem to want things to be fair across the board. I can understand that. However, life isn't fair. I'd prefer to go places on This Shard and NOT be ganked by a bunch of pker's but still it happens. I've long since learned to accept it. So you should to do the same. Some of my earlier advice is still sound you know. Learn different tactics or just avoid tamers. Better yet take the view that if you choose to pk make sure:
    1) Use Vent to summon friends if needed.
    2) Expect to die from time to time.
    3) Use detect Hidden. Yes, I know it may take a few tries to reveal someone but it still works so what. If your just impatient then there is nothing that can be done for you.
     
  41. azmodanb

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    Yeah that's for sure it does remind a player of how normal dragons used to be ...
     
  42. FrejaSP

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    Please at least make it so they can't be tammed on SP, as mob they are ok.
     
  43. EnigmaMaitreya

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    It would be an interesting experiment.

    I am not clear why you didn't go further.

    I mean wouldnt it be better to just put an end to all tamables after T2A? I think that is the release you all profess to admier the most.

    So yeah, Revert Taming back to T2A style. :) I am postive all your tamers will jump all over that idea. :)

    Just think of it, No Bonded pets you could really make that Tamer have a Really Bad Day. No Uber Pet. Not Pack Instincts. Wouldnt it be just the best ever? BUT make sure you advocate the FULL restore of Taming to T2A and code changes that have affected Taming, otherwise you ... wouldn't get the benefits you so .... richly deserve.

    Heck, I would gladly support a "All Shards" reversion of "All code affecting Taming" to the level of T2A. Remove or Make Untameable All Post T2A NPC's. As long as ALL the code affecting Taming were reverted.

    I sit in a rather unique place. I Played UO from the day it went live to about 8 Months after Trammel Went Live. I came back about 5 months ago. I can easily .... compare then and now. Some of you appear to have absolutly NO clue how much Nerfing has gone on, while other templates have been .... Greatly improved.

    But a serious question, why is it that you all bring up a valid concept such as this then shine a 100 Mega Watt Spot Light on it saying "I was only fooling, this is just another Bash Trammel Tamer thread".
     
  44. BardMal

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    Wish my tailor/blacksmith/miner had it balanced on SP. I might be able to take him out of Delucia city limits for a change.
     
  45. Do you really get PK'ed on Siege?

    I remember a time when you couldn't go anywhere or do anything without being attacked but those days are long gone.

    What we have now are PvP'ers, not PK'ers.

    PvP'ers just want to fight other PvP'ers on a relatively equal playing field.

    They don't want to fight rune beetles, or dragons, or hiryus, or cu's. That is PvM.
     
  46. Krystal

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    my point is if i want to PvM i would go farming. I love pvp/pking. i like going to luna and fighting huge battles. but i hate fighting guild with 4 to 5 tamers on the field. even worse is when u run away from the dragon and ur over 5 screens away and 4 flamestrikes kill u. the tamer, 70% of the time dont know he even killed a player. alot of people play sp for the pvp/pking freedom. but when a tamer dont even have to show for their dragon to attack u how is this fair? this is very overpowered. not just a little but alot. a tamer can wipe out a whole guild if played right w/out even showing once.
    usually when uo releases something new they make it over powered so people have something to do. but this greater dragon stuff is going on way to long. people are quitting over dragons cause it just isnt fun. we dont wanna fight AI, we wanna fight a player played by a RL person. :wall:
     
  47. BardMal

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    I have been dry looted and res killed so many times on obvious newbie chars (on foot and fizzling cure)on SP that I don't even bother to log in there anymore - except for one reason, to trade holiday gifts.
    I haven't had "pvp" on SP really, ever, except with friends who came there with me.
    There are really alot of nice people on SP, but most of the ones I have met were tamers there. long time ago I could walk around on a 60 skill level char and give ale to RP orc guilds and receive safe passage to hunt deer and bear for skill gains.
    Last few years though, people wouldn't even let me keep and train up my bunny.
     
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    I see this trammy no skill tamer found his way in here.

    After getting smashed in the other thread trying to defend his overpowered meatshield, I guess he had to move somewhere else.


    Sneaky Que had it right, GD's should have been left as non-tamable.