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Discussion in 'UHall' started by R Traveler, May 23, 2012.

  1. R Traveler

    R Traveler Babbling Loonie
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    Every time I login at my house at Malas I got message "welcome ... you entered dungeon Covetous ... blah blah... blah blah.."
    Next message is "Welcome to Ultima Online!" same for years as usual.

    Is my char bugged in some way?
     
  2. FrejaSP

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    I get the message "The moons of Trammel and Felucca align to preserve your virtue status and city loyalty"
    It on Siege so we don't have a Trammel moon as far I know
     
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  3. R Traveler

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    I have message about moons after usual welcome too.
    I bit confused to have my house marked as Covetous level 2 region :coco:
     
  4. Raptor85

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    We have a trammel moon, look through a spyglass. The moons have always been named Trammel and Felucca, part of why I've always hated them naming the facets after them when they mirrored the world, as they're two seperate things (basicly just lazy name-borrowing so they didn't have to come up with new ones). I hate that we basicly have call Britannia "fel" these days or nobody knows wtf you're talking about :/

    Honestly as well, aside from ter-mur, I STILL don't understand in the least what the other facets are supposed to be....I would assume other planets similar to Pagan, but I don't think there was ever even an attempt to really explain them and why they're not simply other parts of the main overworld or underworld in UO lore.
     
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  5. GalenKnighthawke

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    The moons happen to have the same name as the facets. That doesn't mean that we are living on the moons, nor does it mean that a shard that lacks the facet Trammel also lacks the moon Trammel.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Malas (I have bolded the relevant part).

    Source: Malas - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    In other words: How the Hell do we know. It's there.

    Ilshenar's even more complicated. The original Ilshenar fiction made it clear that there were actually many more facets than we knew of:


    Source: BNN: An Introduction to Ilshenar - Part I - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia
    And: BNN: An Introduction to Ilshenar - Part II - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia
    And: BNN: An Introduction to Ilshenar - Part III - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    (Same material, for both Malas and Ilshenar, is here on Stratics somewhere as well.)


    In other words it was just kinda there, just like the original Felucca facet was just kinda there. While, as the UO Guide also points out that Ilshenar's history has been altered:

    SOURCE: Ilshenar - UOGuide, the Ultima Online encyclopedia

    I have no reason to think that Ilshenar's essential nature, that it was just kinda there, has been altered along with its history.

    -Galen's player
     
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    I concur with Tina. This is a message letting you know about loyalty, etc.
     
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  8. Martyna Zmuir

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    Ugh. Facets have been described as different things in different pieces of "official" fiction. This is a problem when there is no official lore keeper and/or those writing the lore are just lazy.

    The facets are the 3 Sosarian continents that went missing after the Shattering. Felucca and Trammel are the Lands of Lord British. The Tokuno Isles are the Lands of the Feudal Lords. Ilshenar is the Lands of Danger & Despair (i.e. Serpent Isle) Malas is the Lands of the Dark Unknown. All the other lands are still part of the planet, just tucked into their own dimensional fold which doesn't allow travel at the "edges" - hence being warped to the other side of the continent when sailing. (This is far simpler then the gavity-bending torus planetary model for Sosaria) The Lost Lands, before anybody asks, is in a big hollow space below the surface of the Britannian continent.

    Ter Mur, according to the lore of Ultima VI, is another planet that is magically connected to Sosaria via the Abyss. I have seen it theorized that this planet is Sosaria's immediate neighbor in the system.
     
  9. Raptor85

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    interesting, termur and the lost lands I knew as those had used existing lore from ultima, but the others? Where did you find that, those explanations don't fit with the origional ultima series explanations of those places (Serpent isle was reached by boat by simply sailing to it for instance) so it was at least somewhat changed from their origional incarnations. I tend to go off things from the single player utlima series when possible as most post-LB UO tends to read like poorly written fanfic of a Ultima/LOTR mashup so it helps to hear the locations that these places are "supposed" to be.
     
  10. Martyna Zmuir

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    The Lost Lands are unique to UO, it's not Eodon from Savage Empire. Acording to Designer Dragon, the Lost Lands were meant to be a piece of the 5th continent, Ambrosia.

    Tokuno was stated to be the Lands of the Fuedal Lords, and it bears a decent resembence to the mainline Ultima continent allowing for land changes over time. (Ultima Map)

    Ilshenar being the Lands of Danger & Despair is based on decuction: It has a wall of lights, lore ablut Balance, and snake imagery is hidden throughout. Serpent Isle in Ultima was reached via the Serpent Pillars (i.e. magic), not "sailing" from point A to point B. Ignore the Meer/Juka history retconning. (Ultima Map)

    Malas had really, really crappy fiction to go with it - what little there is. The Lands of the Dark Unknown fit with what we know of Malas the best, and there is a resemblence between the two. (Ultima Map)

    UO didn't adhere very strictly to Ultima in the early days, hence the changes. We've also been told that the Shattering affected the shard's landmasses moreseo than on Sosaria Prime. Sadly, UO's original map was never realized - it had all four continents...
     
  11. Raptor85

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    That's interesting, I never would have made that tie-in as T2A as is looks far more like Eodon combined with bits of Serpend Isle than Ambrosia, Ambrosia was pretty much a dead sunken island. Granted large parts of ilishnar look like Eodon as well O_x (i'd guess they used parts of it as a basis for both)

    I dunno, I can't really see this one, there's no similariy in geography at all, none of the major cities are there, and there's no major ophidian settlements, serpent isle as we knew it was already post-cataclysm and was very much an "island" in the ocean with it's primary cities being port cities, even if it required sailing between the serpant pillars to reach. (kinda a pocket dimension i guess, i forget exactly how it worked, I was never all that big on the later ultima games) I think Ilish was likely just completely made up by the team at that time using some inspiration from many other locations (Monlor for instance has a lot of similarities to furnace, while central ilishinar looks a lot like areas from Eodon)

    Yeah, if i had to guess though, from the walled cities, the abilities introduced, etc, Malas had to at least be partly inspired by Pagan
     
  12. Arrgh

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    Is your house sitting over any part of Covetous Dungeon? I noticed using an old runebook pre-Shame revamp that when I tried to use it to recall to levels (teleporters) in the dungeon, it would send me to areas in the woods around the dungeon. The runebooks were "of exceptional quality" so I'm thinking maybe if someone has a home over one of the areas like the teleporters where people normally recall into maybe that's why you get the Covetous message?? Just an observation from an odd person...:gee:
     
  13. Martyna Zmuir

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    No, Ilshenar is Serpent Isle...just not as we saw it in Ultima VII, p2. The land is all squished together and somewhat rearranged. The biggest clue is Montor (Monitor in SI). Ilshenar is UO's take on SI - think of the Meer as the Ophidians (since their newest lore assumes this role) there just hasn't been an influx of anti-British settlers to build Fawn, Monitor, or Moonshade. Exodus has ties to SI as well, since that is where he snatched the Great Earth Serpent from to "guard" his castle in Ultima III.

    Pagan is most likely a completely separate planet in the OSI-verse, though nobody with any authority has ever said so. It could be mainline Ultima's take on one of the lost continents, but I highly doubt we'll ever know. At any rate, Malas completely lacks any reference to the elements or the Zelan godforms. (outside EM fiction)
     
  14. Don't Tread on Me

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    Hmmm, I was always tracking T2A as the underworld from Ultima 5. Malas does have some resemblance to pagan via the necromancy stuff... but the Luna half of the facet doesn't match at all! Luna might go better in Trinsic, I'm just saying. I haven't seen UO ever take a lot of effort at following ultima's lore very closely. Though they do pay lip service to it. Happy hunting everyone! Covetous monsters move QUICK!
     
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    Holy cow......you guys are major UO dorks ;)
     
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  16. R Traveler

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    Unless Malas overlaps Tram/Fel regions...
     
  17. GalenKnighthawke

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    No one who posts here can reasonably claim otherwise about themselves.

    -Galen's player
     
  18. Crysta

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    The term is Ultima Dorks, not UO Dorks.
     
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