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spell plague

Discussion in 'UHall' started by SixUnder, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. SixUnder

    SixUnder Legendary Assassin
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    beating a dead horse...:gee: but..

    ya know if you dont have chiv, or cleansing winds on your template..

    isnt it getting annoying...

    curse
    exp
    spell plague

    apple
    8 sec timer, now you get the next the spells if you fight on screen

    exp, spell plague, hailstorm, trigger if needed

    even with resist seems hailstorm is triggering spell plague every single time.

    just getting old.
     
  2. red sky

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    Comon, all of those spells take up a lot of time to cast and I'd be willing to be that the mage is using a mage wep. The best counter template for these templates is a disarm bleed template. I play a mystic mage on a regular basis and I dread those templates. It's the reason I added GM anatomy to my template. Unfortunately, if you run across me, you might have a bit of a problem but I'm just a badass. =/
     
  3. hmmmm ... i think you maybe onto something there
    you should probably get it/them?
    :gee:
     
  4. Lord X

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    Yes it is getting old. Its all mages seem to know how to do anymore. Crutch.
     
  5. puni666

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    The way they balanced it is pretty nice in a 1v1 situation, but as things are now which you know since we're on the same server you'll seldom get a 1v1. If the guy you're attacking isn't spamming it... it's the other guy he's with that's spamming it and since you probably used your apple for the first you're either sent running or relying on a cleansing winds x heal. It's made things a lot more team reliant. I think a change now would hinder it greatly. I don't think mysticism needs anything changed, just everything else needs to come up to par with mysticism with a big revamp of the existing skills. That's my 2 cents...
     
  6. Clog|Mordain

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    If your another mage, they shouldnt be able to get hailstorm off... if they can, you deserve to die.

    and on a dexxer, well... 4 second bandie run ftw
     
  7. puni666

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    Umm in a group fight someone's going to get a hailstorm off....
     
  8. SixUnder

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    ya puni is right, if your anything like myself i dont shy away from a outnumbered fight in fact i have a guild on atl of 4 people and we enjoy the challenge but with mysticism, i tell ya almost impossible.

    if your fighting a group of 4 of 5 , lets just say 3 of them are mystics, everyone of them has to do nothing but spam spell plague, over and over, and they chain hailstomr in between. its not that hard to do.

    im just sayin, this is pvp which is player vs. player not players vs. player.

    so is some of your thinking oh well if you are outnumbered you should die? hell no that aint right. pre-aos id be laughing about all this but common. on most of my chars i dont have a problem with it, but a few of my newer ones if you dont have a certain few skill setups to counter mystics. i mean it ******** how much damage output you get from..

    exp
    spell plague
    hailstorm
    trigger

    no matter if they are cursed or not. now you take 4 people playing that template vs. four of anything else and find a quicker dps. i doubt there is one that doesnt involve stupid pets.

    why have to change our characters to adapt for one overpowered skill? and yes it is overpowered anyone who plays a mystic and is good at it will tell you how powerful , healing stone, spell trigger, or even cleansing winds to a entire party is. not even mentioning the offensive spells.
     
  9. SixUnder

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    im not talkin about playing a mage but its funny you say that.

    how about you just go into rock form, or even protection if you want?

    i have GM nox on my main character and i couldnt even touch this guy in rock form.

    couldnt nox him, he went in prot, i used ward removal tali, went back in prot just sat there healed through anything and everything. i mean call that fair?
     
  10. Vexxed

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    Stone form just means....

    Disarm
    Mortal
    Ai
    Para

    etc.. Any largish weapon has the DPS to beat Cleansing Winds once you take missing out of the equation (Disarm). I find an Ornate Axe works very well bc unless they are reasonable Elite most people don't build a suit to account for the -phys penalty for prot... Do Disarm / Hit / Crushing /Crushing etc..
     
  11. puni666

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    Yeah... about protection. I'm a firm believer in either of these two ideas.

    1. Protection will have a damage limit before it become ineffective. Strength of this is base on the same thing that magic reflect is based off of. This way you'll have to use protection tactically instead of as a crutch.
    2. Dispel needs to be changed. It should work like purge. Yes this means on weapons also, but on weapons it should be based off of 70-80 eval vs. the targets resisting spells.
     
  12. puni666

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    Doesn't the stone form add resists and add to the cap of resists? Doesn't this partially negate the -phys from protection?
     
  13. icm420

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    Mages are supposed to be hard to play in my opinion. Mysticism is a dumbed down mage. The necro mage was powerful and people complained about it, but it was a lot harder then mysticism to master and required better timing. Also mystic mages are friendly for protection players further dumbing down the mage. If i run into a disarm bleeder temp I go protection..why.?.. because it's easier in protection and the other guy will die.

    Mysticism really pissed me off because almost anyone can be amazing on a mystic mage, where being an amazing necro mage was hard. Also pure mage and necro mage are completely nerfed against mystic. I used to play a pure mage when necro's were popular and it was possible to beat necros as a pure. It was hard but it offered a challenge that was possible. Mystic vs necro mystic wins EVERYTIME no matter what. Pure vs mystic is a joke and mystic once again wins EVERYTIME. This is of course assuming you have a semi capable person playing the template. I've lost a lot of interest in playing uo as of late, the style of pvp has become boring, it's the same couple of temps running around, and it's pretty much all a numbers game. Mages used to be fun for me because it was a way to challenge people and challenge yourself but now it's just too easy and therefor boring.

    I am very bitter about mysticism because to me it changed what a mage was and what a mage required, which was intelligence. Now a guy can run around in protection cast 3 spells and beat you.

    Also think of the lack of diversity in pvp right now, almost everyone is a mystic or a disarm bleeder. If not then he's a bush dexxer/archer/thrower or a tamer. What other temp is really being run right now? Can a wrestle scribe mage compete now? Can a nox mage compete now? Can a necro mage even compete now? Can a warfork mage even get a kill? Mayb but assuming equal skill levels in a fair fight I don't see the mystic loosing. So mysticsm or dexxer?

    As for dexxers I think now they are stronger then ever before. There is one type of mage to beat and while it can be difficult especially in large groups, dexxers have better equipment now then they could ever dream of pre imbue. Weapons are perfect, archers/throwers are shooting as fast as the game allows, and everyone has insane mana pools. So I understand why mysticism is so strong, to make it weak would in effect kill the mage character completely, but something must be done to keep older skills fresh and viable today.

    spell plauge=win needs to be adressed, it's making pvp very very boring.
     
  14. SixUnder

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    yes, but lots of em run wrestle. in fact 4 of them i have fought run dodge. which for old fogies like me is eval/anatomy for your wep skill and carry a book. good luck hittin that.

    you can wack all you want with a healing stone, pots, if they in protection and your a warrior. its like hitting a training dummy.
     
  15. SixUnder

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    amen.

    p.s.

    dexers might have the perfect weps etc.
    but remember mages got the same perfect stuff AND more with casting focus.
     
  16. Elden of Baja

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    Actually there is a bug revolving around spell plague that I haven't even seen addressed yet. I won't say it here or else Everyone and their mother will be using it.
     
  17. SixUnder

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    btw ya i know i didnt want to say it either.

    second in your sig, i have not fallen sir. i am a founding father of $C$. rolleyes:

    im still here 166 months later...
     
  18. LetheGL

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    They should make hit purge a new mod for weapons, problem solved.
     
  19. Saint of Killers

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    Your guild leader's boyfriend has been doing that vs dexxers since day one. What's the problem? :eek:
     
  20. Cetric

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    Puni has had some awesome suggestions for purging with a dexer, such as making Hit Dispel a purging effect, or even add another hit spell type called hit purge..

    I'd like to throw another option out there. Make Stone form susceptible to a slayer... maybe fey slayer? Just a though, theres a swords and archery weap with that slayer, and a book. Add one weap for the other weap skills and call it a day. That should fix that =P
     
  21. puni666

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    Stone Slayer talisman!

    Would work on stone based elementals too.
     
  22. Restroom Cowboy

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    Nerf protection when used with stone form and/or cleansing winds.

    Spell plague on its own is a very long spell...so there is no reason people shouldn't be able to heal through it or have the ability to disrupt it as the game is now. I play a wrestle mage and have no issues healing through it if I miss an interrupt.

    My suggestion...quit crying and learn how to play your template. Spell plague is the least of games mysticism concerns.
     
  23. SixUnder

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    on atl

    just since yesterday 9 diff guys doing this.

    dismount off dread mare

    all kill

    spell plague, hail storm
    over
    and over
    and over

    one did add a exp.

    now this didnt kill me but you cant kill your target either, if you stand there take a trained dread on in melee, with a mystic casting on you and let them get spells off. forget it

    sad thing is, id say its a safe bet that half of atl mages are mystics, and ride dread mares....

    so much dps
     
  24. Cetric

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    Elemental Slayer!
     
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    also a throwing weapon with fey slayer now...and I like this idea
     
  26. Speaking the Truth

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    For all those complaining specifically six and puni you sound like dexers. If that's the case why should the game cater to you? You can pick up the skill if you want to purge like everyone else OR use a talisman of ward removal. You can carry bunches with unlimited charges. Adding hit dispel or hit purge, what a stupid idea.

    Rather than changing something because you don't like it, think outside the box. Either add that skill to your template or carry the items already in game to get around whats hindering you.
     
  27. Cetric

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    The problem is this mentality to an extent. Why should everyone conform to playing that template to counteract it? No one wants to carry several ward removal talismans but it sounds like thats what its gunna come to.
     
  28. Speaking the Truth

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    No one HAS to change their template, but if they are complain they need to look at what they can do to counter it. Why change something when there are already items and spells in game already?

    Because they want to have their cake and eat it to on dexers? Yea as if dexers don't have it good enough already, lets make a hit purge on their weps.

    Plenty of templates are already "mage killers" aka lots but disrupt, prot the counter to that. It's absurd that you want to counter it on your wep alone, stop being lazy and carry a talisman(s) if it bothers you that much. EA has a checks and balance system in place, learn to use whats avaliable.

    Best of luck to you.
     
  29. CovenantX

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    more than half of atl pvp mages are mystic, and their all bad :fight:
     
  30. Cetric

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    Just to give you some background, i play mystics, most of my mages are now mystics and a few really gimp temps i have involve mystic. That being said i never hop into pro-stone form because i see how overpowered it is against a dexer. It is just literally impossible for me to die 1v1 in pro/stone. This is why i support this argument.
     
  31. Lynk

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    Lol, then how come its so easy to kill redstone on my dexer when he jumps into pro/stone!
     
  32. Cetric

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    I said i won't die... i didn't say redstone wouldn't o.0. Guy is like sllloowww moottiooonnn
     
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    great idea!
     
  34. puni666

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    So we should manually take off a talisman then reequip a talisman and use it's ability? Then when they recast the spell 1.25 seconds later we should repeat the process till we're out talismans or they're out of reagents? (Oh wait everyone has 100% lrc). Or a dexer could put on lrc and 200 skill points worth of mysticism/focus to cast purge effectively. Yeah... these sound like great ideas...

    Or a more simple solution would be to either add Hit Purge as a proc on a weapon with a less than normal success chance of working(which makes this an option for a mage with a mage weapon or a dexer).

    Or make a few new melee weapons that have a new special move that removes positive attributes on players which makes it cost a lot more mana rather than being a free proc but will have a higher success chance of working and will only be an option for dexers or tanks or weird mages that want a weapon skill instead of wrestling o_O.
     
  35. Cetric

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    those hippies
     
  36. chad

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    It's fine as it is. If you can't figure out a way to beat it with the current system, then I'm sorry. You will need to work on your PvP skills or your strategy.
     
  37. Speaking the Truth

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    No Chad, he wants to have it easier for his dexer. God forbid he uses anything mentioned, that would be unfair for him!

    WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT HE'S DOING?!!?

    Also puni, it leads me to believe you're a dexer because on top of purge/talismans, any mage could mana vamp/para.

    Perhaps you should try playing a mage tempalte if this set up is a counter to your current dexer one and you don't like it.

    Again best of luck to you in your endeavors.
     
  38. PaithanTheElf

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    I have no problem fighting spell plague. Also, stone form protection people I laugh at because they are very easy to kill. You need to learn to use your template to kill them. How do you die to someone casting in stone form protection anyways? The casts are so long. Between apples/bandaids/pots you should not be dying.
     
  39. puni666

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    Actually I've been playing my tank more lately... well at least when I'm on :sword:.

    I still think the tally usage is a joke though. Taking all that valuable time to do something the FoTM template can do in one cast.