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*SPOILER* client 7.0.11.3

Discussion in 'UHall' started by R Traveler, Jan 14, 2011.

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  1. R Traveler

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    New text found
    Buy from this broker
    Sell to this broker
    This broker is unavailable
    You have no available trades

    and some other arena related.
     
  2. Babble

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    Auction house?
     
  3. Sevin0oo0

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    Maybe the solution to Luna lag, ending the giant Mall? we'll see
     
  4. Merion

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    Please! No auction house!

    Hundreds of good suggestions have been made, but most people do not want an auction house! because it would totally kill player vendors, thus taking out a vial part of what makes uo.

    Give us a dispenser of runes that go directly to the vendor, fine, but not needing to go to the vendor at all would seriously remove a lot of the flair of UO.
     
  5. Ezekiel Zane

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    Votes YES to an auction house.
     
  6. I agree but then again I think they should concentrate on exploration and adventure.

    What I hope it is - is a service broker. Like an I am buying this or will pay for that.

    I would post a specific sum for an imbued item. The service would be brokered.

    or

    I would broker for 10000 ingots and a seller could find me.
     
  7. ohmyGED

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    Second that motion.
     
  8. Vaelix

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    Vote yes or no.. I dont give a damn..




    Just Fix what you already have first~ Its been 13 years. :thumbsup:
     
  9. GalenKnighthawke

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    Some time ago, when those vendor search sites it's unauthorized to link to because of how they gather their data spawned and grew in popularity, people began to ask for a similar, shard-wide vendor search that was official. Those sites mostly, not exclusively but mostly, concentrated in Luna.

    For some reason, the team took this as a call for a WoW-style auction house system.

    How they could mistake one for another is beyond me.

    Since then, however, some players have indeed begun to call for such a system. I only recall these calls emerging, however, after the dev team's error.

    While some players may like it, and genuinely want it, and it may in the end prove to be a good idea? It is fair to say that it was not what we were initially asking for. And I fear that we would lose more than we gained.

    I would roll with it, though.

    -Galen's player
     
  10. sirion

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    Interesting. I would like to see how it works.
     
  11. WarUltima

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    Auction house seems cool...
    Could kill the vendors and make luna shops nothing but houses close to a moongate. :p

    I dont own a luna shop so more power to an ingame auction house!!!

    Btw the vendor search site uses illegal ingame "stuff" to complile their item database. Which isnt legal to begin with anyways. Not saying I dont use those sites tho just saying :twak:
     
  12. Gheed

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    It will be interseting to see what this becomes. To me these few tidbits don't read like an auction style system. It seems more like some sort of NPC third party broker for very high transactions. But I'm only keying off the word broker which means something entirely different in the rares community.

    I don't think I care one way or another about an auction house system. The only thing that gives me any concern would be the control scripting would have on the market. If the lowest seller wins the bid then scripting would force the price down. The buyer also loses discretion by being forced to purchase the lowest priced item instead of just avoiding suspect vendors or shops.

    I also think this would expose just how few people were interested in selling. Luna vendors arent hard to come by on most shards these days.

    But for those who only want to sell a few trinkets here and there. Those that dont want to keep a vendor stocked... the casual merchants, an AH is great for them.
     
  13. Goodmann

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    AUCTION HOUSE-YES!
     
  14. Heartseeker

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    Not sure about removing the flair, but it might remove the lag in Luna...
     
  15. Martyna Zmuir

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    The Dev Team has issues with listening to what their players state they want and then going off in a totally different direction.

    However, since this spoiler text is completely out of context I'd suggest we wait till they actually announce something before skinning them alive.
     
  16. Pinco

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    this could also be an house broker :p
     
  17. ress me plz

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    yeeeeeeeeeees^^
     
  18. G.v.P

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    Ya'll know it's selling gold ;P hehe jk
     
  19. Gheed

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    Or selling in game items for rl cash... with EA taking their cut. It would be reveolutionary to have company sanctioned RMT. Players and company making a profit. Definitely would boilster subs.

    Next up: "Buy it now" buttons on regular vendors.
     
  20. Aurelius

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    Could even be a 'safe trading' NPC so you can sell stuff to another character without needing to find a vendor to handle the trade.... too vague to know what's going on with this yet.
     
  21. Ezekiel Zane

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    I think Gheed may be on to something.

    I was thinking about this as well and it struck me that maybe it's a secure method to trade, very high value items and or houses. For example an item or house transaction for more than 125 million gold. Maybe it creates an account with a broker holding an unlimited amount of gold?
     
  22. Yes to auction houses. End the Luna mall triads that are often the fronts of gold sellers and resource scripters.
     
  23. lucitus

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    This corespondens with the new Character Copy System, on TC is written the warehouse is down, so maybe a world wide auction house?
     
  24. R Traveler

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    Not sure is it related or help to find any more info
    You have no available trades
    ITEM
    PRICE
    MAX AMT
    TRADE
    BUYING: ~1_ITEM~
    SELLING: ~1_ITEM~
    You have:
    I will buy up to:
    I will sell up to:
    Your bank balance:
    My asking price is:
    My offer price is:
    Quantity to Buy:
    Quantity to Sell:
    BACK
    Transaction failed
    Specified quantity not available
    Funds not available
    Price has changed
     
  25. Kojak

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    maybe it's just a Bane broker for the event - did you ever think of that?

    A whole auction house system would have far more text than just 4 strings - cmon

    ---- edit point ----

    ... and of course Traveler posts more strings while I'm typing in my post - lol
     
  26. Pinco

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    ok, is the vendor search and an auction system.
     
  27. Gunga_Din

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    lol, auction house FTW !!
     
  28. G.v.P

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    lol Bane broker :)

    Evil empire at its finest, eh? hehe
     
  29. Thunderz

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    To me that sounds like a npc which you click and a gump pops up and you put in the info for the items your selling and price or buying and price/quantity and if you have the gold and someone has done the same for selling, the gold will be removed from your bank [like with the stable master] and the items will be deposited in your bank.

    Thunderz
     
  30. Babble

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    Unlikely as you get into taxing problems.
     
  31. Gheed

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    Now that would be cool. I've wanted vendor tweaks for a long time that would allow you to buy from others as well as sell. Basically configure your layout and set buy/sell prices. Then other folks help you keep your vendor stocked by simple sell/re-sell mechanics. I dont know why it would be on a seperate NPC "broker" though. Unless they are going to sell them on gamecodes.
     
  32. argh there are no tax problems if you report it.
    Only if you cheat.
     
  33. I agree. That was my idea too. I am glad they are listening.
     
  34. Tina Small

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    If the text strings are indeed for a new auction system, how well received do you think an auction system would be if you need to pay $15 for each account to upgrade it with an "auction house" booster? Should an auction system be incorporated into a regular publish, accessible by all, or only be accessible to accounts that have been upgraded? And if the auction system is only available if you pay for a booster, what if it turns out to be a bug-ridden system and/or is as flaky about availability as the High Seas "extra storage" seems to be at times?

    How much time do you think players would be willing to put into feeding and using such a system on TC1 to make sure it functions well? And if they find exploits, how forthcoming would players be about telling EA so the potential exploits can be squashed?

    If an auction system is available to all AND if it completely does away with player-run vendors, do you think the number of players who might quit as a result will be more than offset by players who might return just to check out the auction system?
     

  35. I dont think auction. I think reverse vendor. The buyer can broker via NPC what they want and what the will pay.

    Like going to a wall and seeing puppy wanted paying $100. The first person that brings a puppy gets the $100.
     
  36. Gorbs

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    Yes, and to use the broker you'll need to kill 2000 Meers.
     
  37. GalenKnighthawke

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    Indeed!

    Especially since, even if is an auction house, it may well be a good thing!

    I just am still bothered by how they interpreted a request for a vendor search as a request for an auction house. Not that it's a bad idea per se, not that "no one" liked the idea (I know better than to make broad generalizations like that, which are easily dispelled), just that it wasn't what was being asked for when they first mentioned it.

    -Galen's player
     
  38. Babble

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    I wonder what it really will be, though might be nice if it is a reverse auction...and works properly
     
  39. Mairut

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    Auction? Really? roflmao. A vendor search maybe; but from the second spoiler (the one I quoted below), it doesn't look like an auction. If it was an auction, that means the highest bidder would win the item. Or, rather, that you could bid as much as you wanted to on an item. Or how about this? That there would actually be bidding on the items.



    On a similar note, that had better not be what I think it is. :thumbdown: I think it is though, so I may be putting my accounts on hold for a while and going to freeshard, depending on how this pans out. We'll see.
     
  40. Goodmann

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    Can I have your stuff if you quit :)
     
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    If i'm interpreting the system correctly based on those notes....this is the best of both worlds: a vendor search, with an auction house capability.

    If I had to take a wild guess......and let's see how good I really am:


    Remember that place....called Maginica?

    They've been talking about it for a while now....would be pretty sweet to see what's going to happen.
     
  42. Mairut

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    "If"... We'll see :p I don't think I'll ever quit though, I'll just pay every 3 months to keep the house up.
     
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    I would love a better way to shop. An auction house really appeals to my tastes, a "buy" vendor is not as exciting but has potential. I don't really enjoy running around aimlessly searching for stuff to buy, so I doubt that I would run around looking for vendors to buy my stuff. It's faster and easier to just make deals in global or drop runes.

    The other potential problem I see with an auction system might be the loss of a few accounts for EA. I myself have a vendor house that I might not need if there was central market place. It would be nice to not worry about keeping everything stocked and trying to drum up business for my shop seeing as it's out side the current unapproved search method.
     
  44. Basara

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    If a vendor search system did come into play, it could be to the detriment of Luna, and a benefit to everyone else, provided there were some safeguards. However, safeguards would not be easy to make. Without safeguards, you'll have people trying to monopolize trade. So, for the most part, I'd be against vendor search. One form of safeguard I can think of would be the following: If you have "x" item or item type for sale on your own vendor, or any vendor in a house you own or co-own with any character on the account, you can't use the search system to buy it off someone else, only be able to see the price they are charging. But, that would be a pain in the arse to code.


    What this could be (And I hope it is) is a means to set up a broker to either buy stuff from others securely, or (better yet) to allow you to put out a Broker in your house for other people to sell to you, at a price you specify.

    The latter is especially useful, as you could have a guild all selling to one person's broker, allowing the broker owner to then turn around and be the merchant chief for the guild.

    Example: 10 different guild members mine, then sell their excess ingots to the broker. The broker's owner then repackages the ingots to sell to the public.
    This would keep the prices uniform for the guild, have the miners get paid immediately for their wares (instead of having to wait until the customer comes along), and puts the financial risk onto just the one merchant (which would probably have his vendors set up in the best place the guild has access to).
    This would also have a tendency to keep the guild's ingot vendor stocked, through legal play, almost as reliably as one being ran by a scripter - instead of having 10 half-empty vendors most of the time.
    The Merchant would also be able to take sub-optimum amounts from multiple sellers to the broker, to produce standard increments of goods (if ingots are usually sold by the 1000, the ability of 10 miners to sell amounts less than 1000 to the broker, and the broker's owner then combining them into lots of 1000, will produce a more steady supply to the guild's vendor).

    With a in-house broker system, set up to deal only in stackable items and buy them from other players, having a BROKER search feature would be a benefit, as sellers could then see who wants stuff, and who is offering the best prices. The brokers would also be a clue (not very reliable) as to where one might also find vendors selling the product being bought (if the broker is acting in the above example of being an agent collecting stuff for guild or alliance resale).
     
  45. sirion

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    Is there any official information on what the function exactly is?

    If not, no point continuing discussing stuff based on assuming it is some auction system or whatever...etc..:eyes:

    spoiler remains spoiler :pint:
     
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    No. This entire thread is simply speculation and guesswork.

    It should be born in mind that there are things in the cliloc file that have been there for years and never seen in game.
     
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    The problem with that train of thought is that it would imply no shard can fail the final events of the Bane arc; if they did, they wouldn't get an Auction house on Magincia, unless it was run by the Bane. After all, money lenders on the island of Humility? Wait, that could instead imply no shard can win the event instead...

    Either way, from a lore perspective, and a gameplay one, I hope you are wrong.
     
  48. Martyna Zmuir

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    I think this is a foregone conclusion. Nothing this Dev Team has done gives me the impression they could effectively handle multiple outcomes.

    Draconi originally intended the battle at the moongate to decide the outcome for the isle. If the rift daemons won, Magincia would remain barren, desolate, undead-filled hell. If ‘Britannia’ won, the city would be rebuilt in a humble way: New Magincia. Draconi is gone. Chances are his interesting outcome was scrapped. :(
     
  49. Sevin0oo0

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    oops, too late

    oh wait, I thought I heard one wheeze somewhere
    If it helps ME sell stuff, I'm for it
     
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    Ahhh.... remember a few months back when I made the dev's a suguestion about an npc to trade unwanted rewards and high end arties for new choices?? Could this be the gump for it?? I mean Cal did like the idea and said it would be addressed this spring....
     
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