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State of the Game by Gunga Din

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Gunga_Din, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. Gunga_Din

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    (1) EM's and their events:

    If you can't make the events, you basically have no content to take part in. I think most would prefer events like the Thanksgiving Day Turkeys that lasted all week or the Halloween Event with the crystals. This way, you don't have to freaking fit EM events into your RL schedule. Its unfair. Only those able to make the schedule EM events are actually getting new content on a regular basis.

    Also, the X-Traders are becoming like cockroaches. Invading events, causing long lines and interfering with any RP those of the home shard are trying to accomplish. Its all about the items.

    Do away with the EM and their events. The developers should put in a monthly activity to do or something for the holidays that can be done over a week or 2. (Ex. instead of EM running St. Patty day events, how about the devs put in a 1 week quest, like hunting leprechauns or something. Then you don't have to be online at 9pm on Sat)

    (2) Gold Sinks:

    I have to laugh at this one. No such thing in a 13 yr old game that has had gold duped for yrs and online sites that constantly offer gold. You want to remove gold from the game? You need to work on how items are acquired. If you get a tangle drop, it should be bound to that player who got it. Not able to sell or trade it. You do that with loot and drop from bosses, then you won't have to worry about gold.

    You can't keep introducing things into the game that can be sold for gold or cash. The Brit ship? If its bought from UO gamecodes, it should be acct bound. The Magincia plots, again acct bound. If someone doesn't want the plot, then in 30 days somebody else can place. Those plots are gonna be sold for cash or gold to cash. A small percentage really give a damn about rebuilding Magincia. (Again, I would either acct bound the plots for 30 days or make it so if you bid on one shard you can't bid on all the others). How the hell is anyone from one server suppose to build some community there if X traders acquire 50% of the housing?

    I think the DEV's have to get back to the basics of Ultima. Stop trying to be heroes and work on improving aspects of the game. Take a look at all the skills first and work from there.

    Ex. Forensic Eval: Make random corpses around the land so people can use the skill on them to start a quest or lead to something.

    Build content into the skill sets. Work on the legacy dungeons. Work on building content into the towns (monthly invasions, random houses that can be broken into and items stolen, bonuses using the forges in towns, increase stat gain at training dummies or archery buttes or even in mage towers).

    Bring back Chaos vs Order. If you guild joins one, they can fight each other anywhere in any facet. Make it simple. 2 Sides. Incentives? Come up with something that can't be exploited. Have them do different quest chains.

    The content you need is right there before your eyes, it always has been. You just need to brainstorm about it.

    The game is getting away from its core.

    I gave my self something to the past few weeks. I looked up the old semi-rares spawns. The Daily's etc. I had a good time getting chisels, wire, fruit baskets and even setup a vendor for them. Why not make some spawns like this or activate some old ones. An old mechanic that can still be used to great effect.

    If Cal or Mesanna would like more help from me, send me an email. I'll put in free time to give you more ideas. But the way things are going, its tough to get back to the core of Ultima. Don't lose that, don't spread yourself thin.
     
  2. Dermott of LS

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    1. Agreed that longer term events that don't require being at Location A at XX:XXpm on such and such a date tend to be better.

    Also look at events such as the Ophidian War, the Rats in the Sewers, the Controller Towers and golems and so on. All were very well set up, all were well balanced and had a reasonably acquirable reward for participation.

    Want to get rid of X-Shard traders (and I do as well as I get SICK of seeing stuff that have other shards mentioned on them on my shard), then ONLY allow the character, the skills, the stats, and the random starting equipment of the 3 top skills (randomly choose 3 if more than 3 are tied). STOP the X-Sharding of items completely.

    2. Gold Sinks.

    I SERIOUSLY disagree with binding EVERYTHING the way that other games do. It's a fake way to limit the economy. The UO economy is more realistic in its freedom without this.
     
  3. WootSauce

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    Then why this nonsense argument?

    "Its unfair. Only those able to make the schedule EM events are actually getting new content on a regular basis."

    "Do away with the EM and their events."

    EM events are content that is in addition to the overall story arcs and shard wide events. If you think in some way that eliminating this program would give you more content because those resources would go toward development of some additional shard wide static craptasitc content that would enhance everyone's gameplay, I think that's a real stretch at best.

    Personally - I think they should do away with the IDOC system, that way, any duped goods are no longer released into the market. Instead of a house "falling", it should just disappear entirely with no opportunity to reclaim its contents.
     
  4. Gunga_Din

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    New content, not new items. Can you read? So you think an EM event on a sunday night offers more content or things to do then a week long event the devs install?

    Agree, banish the IDOCS. That would limit goods.

    I wouldn't item bound everything. Just some items.
     
  5. GalenKnighthawke

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    UO is blessed with many kinds of content.

    There is persistent permanent content (Champs; Doom; Corgul; etc.). There is event content that's persistent and temporary and controlled by the manufacturer that are related to a storyline (the Bane Chosen raids; the Bane Chosen camp at Spirituality; Blackrock Golems in Magincia), or that are not related to a storyline (Thanksgiving). There are one-off events controlled by EMs that are or are not related to a broad storyline, there are one-off events that are under centralized control by the manufacturer that are or are not related to a broad storyline. Sometimes there is even player-run content using various tools that the game gives us. There's quest-ish content, there's more free-form content.

    Just about every kind of content is there in one form or another.

    Whether or not you like it, either conceptually or any given example, isn't as much the issue as whether or not exists at all. For example, a lot of people really liked the Abyss housing quest. I thought it was OK and, while it wasn't my thing, thought it was well done and appreciated it. On the other hand I thought the highly-similar Treasures of Ricardo quest was poorly done. I thought the Bane Chosen v. Ophidian thing was well-done, and the Bane Chosen v. Meer thing was poorly done.

    Instead of focusing on the content we like when it is available, we UO players tend to complain about its lack when it's not. In the worst cases we complain about the mere presence of the other kinds of content.

    *shrugs*

    -Galen's player
     
  6. Tinsil

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    I agree with basically everything you said Gunga.

    To Woot, I don't think it's a stretch, and it'd eliminate the bs events we have now.. Face it, they aren't even good story wise (minus maybe one shard that has good EMs such as GL I've heard), people only show up for the chance at items, and this can be done in many better ways.

    I've been a long-time critic of the EM program, and am entirely for the abolishing of these shard-based EMs. Some shards get good stuff regularly and Mesanna events, others never do and have crappy EMs. The events themselves are a joke most of the time, and they're littered with griefers and such.

    I gathered from the HOC video that either a) they're incompetent or b) they have no resources what-so-ever and EA is full of nothing but red tape, or c) both.
     
  7. Gunga_Din

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    Good points. Question is, are the devs using their limited resources efficiently? Did we need Magincia lottery for more housing? Thats gonna provide us all something to do for a week or so, then what? Could those resources be better allocated elsewhere?

    The Brit ship they spent time on. Did we need that? Why not sell other items like more hair dyes or special hued cloth or something instead? Wouldn't that still make money but not require a lot of time?
     
  8. Martyna Zmuir

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    The Devs don't have much to do with EM events. They give the EMs new powers every now and then, a few new monster templates, etc... All they do is give them an outline of the meta arc and then turn them loose on the shards. The EMs should be filling in the arc’s gaps with specific shard-relevant fiction.

    Some EMs are better than others at telling a story. I'm sorry that your shard's "aren't as good" at that as mine are(GL).

    Nobody is required to go to an EM event, it’s completely optional. Most shards have them at primetime (generally 6-9pm weekdays (weekends vary), shard local time zone). If YOU can't make, I'm sorry, but that's tough - other people can and do make it. (Remember, UO isn’t just about you.)

    Now, those that go there just for the items, or to *****, moan and whine about items, can take a long walk off a short pier. The events are not geared for rares collectors, nor should they be. Event items are a fun little bonus we sometimes get for participating, if the RNG likes us. The items aren't there to pad everyone's bank accounts. Some of us actually like collecting them as a momento or as a piece of shard history.

    The Devs should be giving us new content on a regular basis. New quests, little invasions, monster uprisings, new monsters, etc. Things like the turkeys, 2009 Halloween event, Bane v. Ophidians, etc. Things to find, see, and do in the game that add a bit of randomness back into the world. But scrapping the EM program isn’t going to make any of that magically happen.
     
  9. Lord Gareth

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    Ultima Online is boring.... point blank and simple.
     
  10. a slave girl

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    Make EM event items NON transferable.

    I play Pac mostly and have no interest in items with other shard's names on them and can't understand why anyone else would. Traitors!

    I depise gold sellers, and I have had some ideas for tokens that EA could sell before:

    Stable Slot Token, $20, adds one extra stable slot for all characters on your account,

    Veteran Token, $10 for 1 month, $60 for 6 months, $120 to add 12 months age to your account,

    IF YOU DO THESE THINGS DO NOT TURN THEM INTO TOKENS PLEASE!

    Enable them on the account ONLY.

    I am sick of seeing the never ending supply of in game transfer and advance character tokens that are being sold for cheaper than EA sells them.

    I know that they are either duped or being sold under the table for cheap by someone at EA, and that the sellers and dupers or EA under the table person are personally profiting from it, and UO is not.

    The other day I caught a scriptor on Pac who runs 3 accounts at the same time.

    He is attended, playing on one account while the other 2 collect resources, so he can answer a GM when he gets paged on.

    He tried to tell me he's a GM on another shard.

    I said, don't you mean EM?

    GMs work all shards while EMs, except the floaters, work one.

    Many people forget that the EMs are just players who are paid by EA to host events.

    I made a rule a long time ago to never go directly to any site suggested to me by a UO player, the last time I did it I got a popup (that was in 2005).

    The way I see it, if I go to some totally random website and download a trojan keylogger, they may get my account name and password, but they'll not know what it goes to.

    If I go to a site run by a UO player and download a trojan keylogger, the site owner would know exactly what game my account name and password go to.

    For that reason I will never go to a site run by a UO player EM nor will I ever email one of them, for the very same reason.

    I personally would be fine with getting rid of the EMs. (No offense to Cyno Razik, who seemed to do a good, impartial job as an EM)

    Recently someone was kissing the new EMs butt in general chat and I called them an asskisser, and the new EM said So?

    I expect my EMs to have much higher standards, sorry.


    In the end none of this matters unless UO gets new players, which is unlikely since it will never again have a presence on store shelves or a televison commercial.

    EA should hold a contest for players to make UO ads to run on You Tube to try to garner some interest in UO and hopefully some new players.

    You tube made stars of Justin Beiber and Miley Cyrus, why not UO as well?

    In the UO You Tube ad contest, the UO You Tube ad page that gets the most hits (minimum 100,000) should win a lifetime paid UO account for each 100,000 views.

    Checking You Tube it seems the KR release video had the most views at over 200k, so that would just cost EA $240 or so a year* for some cheap free advertising.

    Of course the person who had this brilliant idea should get 2 free lifetime paid accounts, (that would be me).


    :)

    Just have to make the You Tube UO ads key search words be cute baby, kitty, etc and NOT BE A LIE, so make a funny UO video with those keywords in the title, and do cute things with a char named Cute Baby and a kitty, cute, clean things.

    Not like this hilarious old UO video:

    (Sorry for the French words and the porn, I did not make this video I just like to watch it and laugh at it.)

    YouTube - UO "She ****ing Hates Me"



    :)
     
  11. Petra Fyde

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    I don't find it boring at all, I don't have enough hours in the day to do all I want to do, yet I rarely attend EM events. I mostly play the content that's there all the time. I fish, I grow plants, I craft to stock vendors, I dig up treasure. I'm loving the 'wonder what will be in this one' aspect of treasure hunting now that SoTs, alacrities etc are in them.
    I like a reason to hunt stuff other than gold, for that reason I think the game was better when slayer weapons came from opposite groups. When to get a certain type of item you would have to hunt a certain type of creature. I would like to see more creatures that use bolts instead of arrows.

    Given a free choice I would make EM 'momentos' just that. Souvenirs of an event. No properties and account bound. Lose the 'gimme' crowd so that people who attend events attend to take part in the event.

    I would stop adding items. There are way too many already, choice is good, too much choice is overwhelming. Maybe swap instead of adding. Remove some of the items no one uses, minor arties from paragons/ML bosses is good, take out the ones no one wants. (arctic death dealer? Cavorting Club?). Monitor the spring cleaning, spawning items that are handed in with overwhelming numbers, stop them spawning.
     
  12. popps

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    I am very critical of EM Events.

    While I applaude the effort of Event Moderators, the set up of these Events has too many limitations and besides, I do not like the issue that, it is my feeling, for the most part EM Events are just participated not for the fun of it but for quick monetary gain.

    I see EM Events as a "rares factory" and often just the very minute an Event ends I already see on Chat messages of people selling this and that Event item for XYZ millions of gold (I should say tens of millions of gold, though....).

    I do not know others, but personally I find this questionable and a game feature that just increases the monetary aspect of the game over the living experience of the game in a virtual comunity and environment is not something I can possibly agree with.

    I think we already have enough greed in the game to bring up new content that further increases this in the game. Sometimes I have the impression that in today's Ultima Online what matters to most players is only the worth of items. Who cares about game play, storyline, virtual experience, what matters is gold, gold and some more gold........

    My concern with EM Events is that they end up being yet another tool to promote gold addition in players which, I think, in the long run is not good for the game.

    That is my perception also. And I think it already has diverted from its origin way, but really way too much.

    There is rampant inflation and gold accumulation seem to be the #1 worry of many players.

    I think something should be done to bring UO back to its root and be cleansed from what has shifted it away from the virtual environment and community that it once was and had.
     
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    EM Event items should be account bound, period.

    Players should participate to Events for the fun of it, because they are fun and to have items in the end to remember their participation to that Event. NOT TO use those event items as a way to make fast gold by the tens of millions.

    Event Items should be account bound and not transferrable to other accounts.

    Play an Event, get the items and keep them as a souvenir. End of story.
     
  14. GalenKnighthawke

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    *stomps foot*

    YES IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *goes on a troll rampage*

    Yes.

    I like the items. I RolePlay a cynical antiques dealer, I like that there are items. I like it a lot that there are items. Will I go if there were no items? Definitely. Were the events well-attended when there were no items? God-damn right they were.

    Do most of the players like the event when there are no items? They really seem to. If they don't, they sure lie about it pretty well, even when not lying will do just as well.

    No one should go to an event only for the items. Quite simply, there are better, more reliable, ways to make money in this game. Get a crew together and chain Corguls. I fully expect some of us are there in-part for the items. But if you are there only for the items and will cry if you don't get one? Go do something else, there are far surer ways to make money in this game. Item hunting at EM events is analogous to gambling. If you are there for other reasons (in the case of gambling, atmosphere and entertainment), and know when to quit, you can have fun, and then winning (at events "winning" in this context refers to getting an item) is a nice bonus.

    And some of us are antiques dealers.

    *coughs, chuckles*


    YES IT WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nah, you're probably right. Looking back over the history of this game, how to deliver content has always been a major issue. Some have even argued that content is irrelevant, and I'm glad to see that most teams have disagreed and tried to give us something.

    I like our current system, with different kinds of content. I have much I would wish to see done differently, of course.

    -Galen's player
     
  15. Tinsil

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    I think one thing to consider is when we get a few dye tubs for vet rewards, that's a fairly big deal here and everyone is happy.

    It takes some of the people on other shards 15 minutes to create these things...
     
  16. Tina Small

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    I would like to see EA keep the current EM program for the people that enjoy it, but come up with game-wide events for the people who do not enjoy the EM events and/or for whatever reason cannot attend those events.

    I visited all of the EM websites this afternoon and summarized my findings below. I think that the state of these websites, after the EM program has been running now for over two years, is indicative of how thoroughly this program focuses on just a couple of shards and of how poorly it has functioned, in many cases, for purposes of documenting event history for people who missed events and for new or returning players.

    Shards with EMs: Atlantic (2), Baja (2), Catskills (2), Chesapeake (1), Drachenfels (1), Europa (2), Great Lakes (2), Lake Austin (1), Lake Superior (2), Legends (1), Napa Valley (2), Oceania (2), Origin (2), Pacific (2), Sakura (1), Sonoma (2), Yamato (2). That's 17 shards out of 27 that share a total of 29 EMs. There's something very wrong with this picture in terms of fairness to all players. Dollars allocated for "live events" in UO should not just be spent to support players who have an interest in EM-run events and can actually log on to attend them.

    Shards Whose EM Programs Have Been Under Mesanna's Control Since 2009

    Arirang - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Atlantic - UOEM Atlantic - Last update 3/14/2011. Current EM's: Bennu and Spriggan.

    Baja - Baja - Redirects to Golden Brew Tavern | Baja Community Event Portal. Last update 3/18/2011. Current EM's: Seppo and Crysania, however the FAQ portion of the site was last updated 5/22/2009 and says that the EMs for Baja are Seppo and Pallando. Little to no reporting on the site to summarize events for people who were not present.

    Balha - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Catskills - Catskills - Last update 3/10/2011. Current EM's: Kasaven and Barnaby, although the About section of the site says that the site is maintained by Kasaven and Nathael. Little to no reporting on the site to summarize recent events for people who were not present.

    Chesapeake - www.chesapeake.uoem.net - Error message: "Directory has no index file."

    Drachenfels - Welcome… Willkommen… - Last updated 3/18/2011. Current EM: Last event was posted by Borbarad, but the "About Us" section of the site refers to EM's Ealia Tiefwasser and Lyraa. Little to no reporting on the site to summarize events for people who were not present.

    Europa - Europa Event Moderators Website - Very recently updated for events scheduled for next week. Current EM's: Emile Layne and Sarakan. The site provides a good link to Mapper's site, europahistory.com, which provides excellent reporting on EM events.

    Formosa - Ultima Online - Formosa - Last updated 6/6/2010.

    Great Lakes - Great Lakes - Last updated 3/17/2011. Current EM's: Elizabella and Malachi. Some good fiction on the site to recap events.

    Lake Austin - Lake Austin - Last updated 3/6/2011. Current EM's: Acies. Some very nice recent fiction that helps wrap up events and provide a lead in to new ones.

    Lake Superior - Lake Superior Events - Last updated 3/17/2011. Current EM's: Autolycus and Aname. The site includes a nice section titled, "Story Thus Far" that recaps past important events.

    Legends - Legends - Last updated 3/6/2011. Current EMs's: Helios. Nice recaps of past events.

    Napa Valley - EM Tempest and EM Mystique » Napa Valley - Last updated for a 3/17/2011 event. Current EM's: Tempest and Mystique. Site does not include a lot of reporting or recaps for past major events.

    Oceania - Oceania | Aeon and Delang's playground - Last updated 2/27/2011. Current EM's: Aeon and Delang. Little to no reporting to recap past events.

    Origin - indexupdate - Redirects you to emfainemorgan.com/blog/. Current EM's: Faine Morgan and Buzz. Found a few recaps for past events.

    Pacific - Pacific - Last updated for a 3/19 event. Current EM's: Cyno Razik and Kaz. Not a lot of recaps. The Event Timeline section of the site that provides links to recaps/reports hasn't been updated since September 2010.

    Siege Perilous - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Sonoma - Sonoma EM Events - Last updated 3/18/2011. Current EM's: Eira and Sangria. The site has a nice archive of past event information.


    Japanese Shards That Joined The EM Program in Late 2010

    Asuka - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Hokuto - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Izumo - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Mizuho - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Mugen - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Sakura - ウルティマオンライン桜EMサイト - Last updated 3/14/2011. Current EM's: Nekomata.

    Wakoku - Untitled Document - Giant smiley face.

    Yamato - ウルティマ・オンライン大和EMサイト - Last updated 3/14/2011. Current EMs: Minilion and Asiantam.
     
  17. Demonous

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    most EM event items do not list the shards name that they come from
     
  18. Demonous

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    i enjoy most events i go to but i have some complaints about how some of them are ran, and then people get mad at me for complaining for some reason because a lot of players treat the EMs like gods and feel they are never wrong, when i get an event item i always keep it, when i get multiples i always sell the extras
     
  19. Demonous

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    Chesapeake is the only US shard without an EM website, for some reason they choose not to use it
     
  20. Gunga_Din

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    Cha Ching !! Winner !! Thats a huge point. Your allocating resources, most likely a good amount, to only a small percentage of the community. Plus, there are set times and dates. Like 2 hr windows. If you can't make them, your SOL.
     
  21. Martyna Zmuir

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    This would be hard to do, since making them non-transferable would mean they would have to make them no-drop. That would mean all they could EVER do is sit in your pack. No using them for deco, no putting them in museums, etc.

    We can never stop these items from being sold, sadly, without ruining them for everyone else. However, the Devs should look into making them SHARD BOUND so the damn cross sharders will disappear from events. (you know, the newb looking char that doesn't talk unless its pancakes about items)



    ...

    Random... Get yourself a decent anti-virus/spyware/adware/etc suite, set up your browser/email properly, and dial back the paranoia.

    You got a pop-up once from a website? Oh noes! They happen you know, it doesn't mean your PC is suddenly infected.

    Stratics started as a player-run site over a decade ago. UO Forums still is player owned There are pleanty of wonderful player-run websites out there that your paranoia won't let you enjoy.






    Sorry, one silly player initiated 'incident' and you're ready to toss out the EMs? Seriously? Without actual details of what the 'ass kissing' was, the story is worthless. Is telling the EM that they did a good job, that you enjoyed the event, or that you had fun 'ass kissing'?

    Some people do gush a bit more than is necessary about many things UO after all...


    I bolded the ACTUAL problem out of what you said.

    It’s the PLAYERS, not the EMs that are greed driven. It’s not the EM’s fault that some twit gets an event item and then turns around and sells it to the highest bidder. Call it human nature, call it capitalism – whatever.

    Remember, people sell artifacts for obscene amounts of gold. Should the Insane Legs of the Tinker be removed because people would sell it for 40mil? How about tangles, crimmies and slithers? They are all content that is mainly sold, you can find them spammed in global chat every day! By that logic, we should bar the sale of castles and keeps too, since they go for obscene amounts. (And before this become an ‘Itemization of UO’ debate, it’s been 7 years now. The debate is long over. Adapt.)

    There are a lot of us who DO care about the storyline. In fact, the group that I go to the EM events will is very interested in the storylines. The EMs on GL have made this mess of a Bane arc make sense in context with the rest of the world and its history.

    Sadly, some of the people that go to their events are only there for items, or only there to see how much of an ass they can make of themselves. They don’t care about the event or if others are enjoying it, they only care about themselves.
     
  22. Gunga_Din

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    One thing I do like on Chesapeake is the hand the EM's have in building the player towns. Merxmere has a Stable and nice Dock (courtesy of Mesanna).

    Maybe more events that people from your town can take part in to earn blessings for player towns.

    No items drop so X-Traders won't bother because they can't take the town improvements to their shard.

    Anyone from the town could attend to earn credit, so if you can't attend, someone else still can.

    You could do quests and stories to earn things for you town or trophies for your banners.

    I think this would be far better for the community. Some towns are made up of more people than have ever attended an EM event. Multiple that across the shard and you end up involving more of the community. Plus the blessings stay on the shard and historical significance is easier to hold onto and keep track of.

    Having an event to drop 10 items that are spread across shards just doesn't seem as effective. So many people get turned off by those type of events, you end up not reaching a majority of the community. But if you tell them , its for their town, I bet you get much more involvement. I saw this first hand with our Livery Quests. People I've never seen attend EM events for item drops actually showed up to earn a stable for their towns.

    I can't say all EM ideas are horrible, they just have to expand on their ideas to reach more people. "Elder" EM Dudley and Dross put together a week long quest that everyone could attend. You didn't have to be there at a certain time, heck you could have been away for days and still particpated. Thats the stuff you need to do.
     
  23. Martyna Zmuir

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    *Yawns*

    The EMs are probably paid $8-12 an hour and are only allotted a small number of hours per week to work. They are part-time contract employees so they most likely receive NO benefits from EA. The amount spent on them per month would be a drop in the bucket compared to subscription revenue.

    Taking Tina's estimate of 29 EMs worldwide, guessing they make $10 an hour, and that they have 10 paid hours a week... So say 290 paid hours per week (WORLDWIDE), that’s only $2900 a week TOTAL. $11,600 a month is CHEAP for a labor force. (Of course, this assumes that every EM works all 10 hours a week, and that they are all paid the same.)

    However, since we know that not all EMs have events every week (some have very long 'breaks' in-between their events) and we don't know what EA pays them... *shrugs*

    If you can't make it to an EM event, you can't make it. If they are important to you, you'll find the time for them. Many people can't be there for every hour of every game-wide event, should we whine till they are stopped because it "isn't fair"? :sad3:

    Mythic allocates resources to parts of the game that many people have no interest in. As long as their resources are allocated relatively fairly across the spectrum, there isn't a big problem. Again, UO isn’t all about YOU.
     
  24. Gunga_Din

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    My post has nothing to do with ME !!! Its about the entire pop. Relax with the YOU YOU YOU comments.
     
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    I've said it twice.

    However, what you fail to acknowledge is that only a handful of disgruntled people agree with you.

    The majority of interested people happily go to EM events instead of whining about them here. Many of these are the same people who begged for the program to be reinstated for YEARS.

    Those who aren't interested have pleanty of other things to do.
     
  26. Gunga_Din

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    I honestly don't know what your talking about. The discussion is not just about EM items or events. Get over yourself already.

    Only a handful agree with me? Did I make a poll? Did you do a head count? So you think more people take part in EM events than a shard wide event like the bane invasions over a few weeks? WOW !
     
  27. Tina Small

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    It's always interesting to see who completely ducks or conveniently glosses over the fact that over a third of the shards don't even have EMs to run events, help create or preserve unique shard history, accept applications for player-run towns, and perform weddings or other ceremonies. Must be Mesanna's influence or something. After all, she is the one who said in that little video snippet we saw about a month ago that every shard has an EM.

    I guess EA's customers who live in Korea and Taiwan and the people who play on Siege are just second-class customers as far as EA is concerned. They must figure their Korean and Chinese customers will never complain loudly enough or visibly enough to make a difference and maybe they just wish Siege's population would dwindle to the point that they could close it down with few complaints or comments.
     
  28. Tina Small

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    It would be interesting to know how many individual UO players actually participate in EM events on a regular basis and how many of them frequently do so on multiple shards.
     
  29. Martyna Zmuir

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    Are we reading the same thread?

    You may have posted more in your original post, but discussion of EM events and the items from them have dominated this thread.



    Actually, yes, I did do a headcount. We've had three events on GL in the last 9 days. Three. Each of the two Saturday events was packed to overflowing, and the Tuesday night event was well over 30 people. BTW, we've been guaranteed an event on GL every week for the last two years. Elder EM Malachi and EM Elizabella have worked their asses off to give us coherent stories that are GL specific and tie into the metafiction.

    "More" people might participate in the shard-wide arc events. So what? Recently, they've run 24/7 for months on end and you are guaranteed to eventually get some pixel crack. If that pixelcrack went away, you damn well know the participation would be nil.

    The 'handful who agree with you' is on here, sorry that inference was lost on you. So far you've rallied Tinsil, Tina and Popps. Whoopie.


    Now, as for Mesanna saying there was an EM on every shard... I take anything Mythic states out their ass with a big grain of salt. Most people should at this point. I think Siege players would know if they have an EM or not...

    The Japanese shards had IGMs for years and just recently transitioned over to EMs. Simply because en EM doesn't use their website doesn't mean they don't exist - uoem.net isn't owned by EA, at least according to its whois profile.

    If the Korean/Chinese shards don't have EMs, their players should speak up! Anyone with empirical, in-game evidence one way or the other?
     
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    You can shake the pom poms about EM events, but for the money spent p(l)ayers would be better off with an extra developer + an extra graphic artist to create global events at which anyone could attend at any time.

    However "PR" is better off with 29 astroturfing paid fanbois.
     
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    The Event Moderators are actually a good investment.
    To my knowledge, Martyna has overestimated a bit, and the EMs program actually costs quite a bit less than her estimate.

    Although I will agree that live events are a good allocation of resources, this does not make the EM program a bad one.
    What the EM events provide for the game is characterisation of the world. Influential characters get personalities, and seem alive, in turn making the non-player waorld more alive in turn. If that isn't something that matters to you, then you perhaps will have difficulty understanding the importance of it.
    In addition, it provides a perceived connection with EA/Mythic, which is also important for players.

    Also, I think you misused the term astroturfing :(
     
  32. olduofan

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    I would have to say I agree with this, But I do know of a few people that really like the EM events and have all the free time they need to participate in them.

    Me personally have been nothing but let down disappointed and frustrated by them I wish they would just have global events so we have TIME to figure them out and accomplish what ever needs to be done. Most of the time during events I loose the gms have no clue what is happening and seem to be the only one rezing and heal everyone else and I watch how those I help get left behind and by time we catch up event is over. All the em events do is **** me off not only do the ems not give good direction they cant provide good leadership, and all the greedy people cant be bothered to help others like healing, rezing and telling them/us which way to go.

    I guess as a vet of the army I learned something about team work and NEVER NEVER leave anyone behind. I guess thats all lost now its all about ME ME and GIVE ME GIVE ME . ha just lame It would be nice to find some players that had character, values and morals not uo it seems. :(
     
  33. Martyna Zmuir

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    Again, I come from a shard thats had weekly events for the last two years. Sometimes we have two events in a week, and we've had several week-long events.

    So yeah, for the EMs GL has I will shake some pom-poms. God knows I don't do it for the Dev Team. In all honestly, this program is about the only non-braindead decision Cal has made.

    While 11K could pay for another developer or two, EA knows that getting 29 people in place of one or two is a bargain.

    Also, assuming the EMs are fanbois would be.. uhm.. wrong.


    olduofan: Going to events with a group that cares about the story and interaction is the best idea. I go with a group of 7-10 others who help eachother and coordinate through Vent and UOCartographer. If you want to see an in-depth story, and have a char on GL, come to one of the Tuesday night spy meetings, 8pm central at the N Britain Counselor's Hall. (double click suit of armor on the inside west wall.)
     
  34. Tina Small

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    I collected several screen shots tonight on each of the Asian shards and on Great Lakes, for comparison purposes. I tried to visit places where it should be at least somewhat apparent there is some kind of recent EM activity on the shard or EMs are in residence. They include a shot at the Brit Trammel bank, in the Castle British throne room, at the Britain counselor's guild, in Luna, and at Queen Dawn's gravesite NW of the Yew abbey. Also included, if applicable (and if I could get there with one of the characters I had on the shard), are screen shots at the Nujelm counselor's guild or at the Haven healer shop.


    Hopefully you can draw your own conclusions as to whether or not there has been any kind of recent EM activity on any of these shards.

    Note: On Arirang, Balhae, and Formosa, the small house to the west of the Britain counselor's guild was private and both the door and the bulletin board (if there was one) was inaccessible to my character. Also, Adam the Event Recorder in Luna on Balhae doesn't do anything when you click on him, say "News" or anything else I could think of to say that might get a response. Also, the gift-giving statue in the corner of the same bank is, of course, nonfunctional.

    Also, before getting to the screen shots, I would like to post an amendment to my list above. I discovered earlier tonight that EM Infinity did run events on Balhae for a while but was posting at www.uoem.net\balhae, not Untitled Document. The last post on this other site was made May 10, 2010.

    Another note: If you can't get the thumbnails to expand by clicking on them, just right click on the one you want to see larger and select one of the Open Link options. Then delete the "th_" at the beginning of the last section of the URL and press Enter to go to the new URL. Don't know why the thumbnails won't expand. Hopefully no one else but me is running into that issue. You can also see the screen shots in a larger size and as a slide show that is in the same order as below at http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/DoloresLombardi/Miscellaneous/?albumview=slideshow. You'll just have to ignore some other older UO-related pictures at the end of the slide show.

    GREAT LAKES (for comparison purposes only)
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    JAPANESE SHARDS

    Asuka
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    Hokuto
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    Sakura
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    Wakoku
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    Yamato
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    The area North West of the Abbey is barren on Siege. Just so you know.
     
  36. Tina Small

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    Sounds just like what I found on Arirang, Balhae, and Formosa, except that I was in Trammel and the plants that were there were alive.
     
  37. GalenKnighthawke

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    The Asian shards have long-hand programs that have exceeded what the western shards have had,whether anyone chooses to acknowledge that or not. The slime dyes; decorated West Brit Banks; events....

    So many complaints I've read over the years about that, now I read complaints about the reverse.

    Some people, it seems, will go through any lengths to attack content they do not like in this game, even falsely attributing statements to their fellow players. I can't claim to understand it.

    What's terribly interesting to me is how these complaints mirror things said about the Asian shards for many years.

    *shrugs*

    -Galen's player
     
  38. Ken of Napa

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    I'm kinda torn about this whole argument.

    I can see both sides. I seldom have time for the EM events, because of when they happen. They usually happen Friday or Saturday evening. We have Family night on Friday evening (I'm not giving that up for anything). Saturday, my Wife usually has plans for us, I'm smart enough to not try to change that!

    When I do make the EM event's they seem to be kinda fun, but I really hate the two or three player's that keep shouting "Give us some Prizes!" or words to that effect. I hate that people attend many shard's events to get the items, but I like that someone obtained them that I can buy them from. It would most likely be best if they didn't give items, but since I've started collecting them now, I for one would miss them (even tho I never get the rare item's myself).

    I agree that the longer timed events are more fun, remember the Trinsic Invasion? That and the other town invasions were some of the most fun times I've had in the game. You didn't need to be able to log in at 7:00 PM on a Friday evening to be a part of it.

    So I agree that the gimee gimee crowd really sucks, but I'm not sure we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. I just really wish we'd have more of the system wide events that people could be part of on their schedule rather than one time for the 30 or so people that are able to make that time.


    :stretcher::stretcher::spider:
     
  39. GalenKnighthawke

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    In this particular case, the bathwater wants us to throw the baby out with it.

    Even the dumbest event griefers have to know they aren't going to get something just by spamming that they want it.

    I honestly think they want to harm the program. They don't like events in general, or they don't like those kind of events, and feel compelled to try and harm them.

    We are blessed in UO with having many kinds of content; see my other post in this thread.

    Why people can't leave well enough alone and just not attend events they have no obvious interest in I honestly don't know.

    I would object if EM events were the only content we had, or at least want them to have way more EMs than they do (and I'm talking like GL would need at least 5 EMs in addition to Malachi and Elizabella, and each of the 5 would have to be at least half as good as they are individually).

    But, luckily, we have several kinds of content.

    The Bane Chosen raids went on for a good, long while. So long in fact that we had people saying they should end.

    Then they ended, and now we have people saying that they should have continued.

    Granted, some people have good arguments that they, or related events, should have continued....I, for one, would have liked to have seen the Bane put back on Magincia Island, with a slightly altered version of the rewards for the raids, with Blackrock Golems spawning in low numbers as a kind of "boss" (like the demon guards), and a "defeat/respawn" style system like they had in the raids/invasions.

    But too many appear to have just never been interested until it was over and now want to whine. And that's really nothing to whine about; that's you choosing how to spend your time in-game. And if RL interfered? Well that happens to everyone, and aren't we lucky that something else will happen sooner or later that you probably could participate more fully in?

    For example,
    looks like the next scenario will revolve around the gargoyle separatists, based on what people who play on Test Center have told me. And it looks like more of a "persistent content" quest-based kinda scenario.

    I played UO back when there were Seers. I kept missing the Seer events. I think got to attend only one of the very last ones and found it kinda dumb. (And honestly I'm not sure if that was an actual Seer event or just a player event within which a former Seer played a prominent role.) But what I did not do was go post saying "dump the Seers, I could only attend one and it was bad."

    -Galen's player

     
  40. MalagAste

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    I love and enjoy the EM events. Infact they are often the Highlight of my week.

    So saying you think they should do away with them Fooey on you!

    I would like them to do away with Fel... and put PS's in Tram.... but I don't see that happening.

    I'd like to see a fully supported dedicated 100% RP shard... but I don't see that happening either.

    So whatever it is that you are "bummed" about with the EM events.... Perhaps it's that you don't have time to attend them and get the whatever drop of the hour or whatever ... big deal... There are 100's of ways to make a buck in game... and if you didn't get a pretty shinny whatever I'm sure there is someone willing to sell you one.

    I don't do the events for the give away though it is nice to get something for the time and effort put into attending and supporting them.... and it's a nice memento when you do get something.... I would very much like the items though to be NON-Transferable.... and I'd prefer having a "clicky" item at the end to limited drops of 10 or 20 items that often go to the scripters or those who can do insane amounts of damage and often two or three people end up with 2 or 3 items and many don't get anything.
     
  41. First off gold is fine. But I wont get into it. The idea is the economy is easy for player to jump into it. No one gets a tangle and sells it for 100k. Therefore, a tangle brings you 10 to 20 million. You are in the economy.


    EM events, keep them. But as an adjunct not the main content.


    I agree with everything else. The houses to break into are great. The corpses to be eval'd great.

    RANDOM Adventure. In the dungeons on the lands... all your ideas and a million more.

    Even walk the beach and see a treasure washed up.

    My other idea is to take all the items EVENTS, Births, Arties, and have them pop up on corpses. Who knows what a creature grabs. Now keep in mind, you would have a slim chance to get any 1 of a 1000 items. It aint gonna saturate nothing.

    AS for a gold sink. It isn't used to FIX the economy it is simply used to remove gold. Remove it Remove it Remove it.

    Sellers dont care if the sell 1 million for $20 or 50 million for $25. Its all relative.

    RANDOM World. Include NPC items that pop up and go away.
     
  42. Thav12

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    Correction: you, apparently, are bored. Do what my mom would say when I would whine that I was bored: "go find something to do!"

    I think UO is what you make of it. If you want to be passively entertained, go see a movie or something. I enjoy playing every single time I log on to play this game.
     
  43. I agree with both of you. Gareth... Im bored too. Sure it is what you make of it but after 10 years it is BORING... It is sad when you have to go find something to do in the game rather then just sign in and walk for adventure.

    IM paying them to entertain me, Im not paying me to entertain myself.

    They got to upgrade the game for adventure. Thats the truth.
     
  44. Tina Small

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    Have you thought about giving Siege a try, either for adventure or for running a shop?
     
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    I'm not.

    *shrugs*

    This statement has a giant logical flaw that I think most people probably noticed: If you're "walking" almost by definition it means you are going someplace....Which likely means you are looking for something to do. Or have already determined where you are going and what you are going to do and are out to do it.

    So much for the sandbox so many talk about.

    *chuckles, shrugs*

    Go to the Yew Moongate in Fel on most shards; go to the Abyss; go try and solo a champ spawn....Oh, wait, you want stuff to find you. Rather non-sandbox.

    -Galen's player