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Statement from script program developer from 2006 when punkbuster was proposed

Discussion in 'UHall' started by ingsmsico, May 26, 2010.

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  1. ingsmsico

    ingsmsico Visitor

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    This message is from Cheffe, the former developer of the UO script program.

    This IS NOT my statement.

    This post is from August 2006 when EA was considering the implementation of Punkbuster.

    All of the *** are words or phrases that are not allowed to be posted on UO Stratics.

     
  2. Tinsil

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    Yep! Seen this before.

    1/3 is a low number. It's much higher from my experience. 1/3 of accounts, perhaps.. Active players it's definitely higher!
     
  3. Tina Small

    Tina Small Stratics Legend
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    If Cheffe is the former developer of that program, it sounds like he's no longer involved with it. If so, what's the point of posting his announcement from 2006? If someone else has taken over responsibility for that program, why haven't they made a similar announcement and put their name(s) on it?
     
  4. Picus of Napa

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    Ah I forgot all about this but it was like seeing a old friend....nothing changed.
     
  5. Viper09

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    Ok...so what?
     
  6. Blesh

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    Probably because its been said without a response from EA, so why would a new developer for *this program* beat a dead horse?
     
  7. GalenKnighthawke

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    To bolster the argument that "everyone cheats." Or, at least, to bolster the argument that more people cheat than EA can reasonably afford to lose.

    The former is certainly not true.

    The latter may be true, but the program manufacturers themselves, who have their own interests to protect, aren't really the best source.

    I've also seen quotes from them that say their program is absolutely not detectable. In the quoted passage, however, they suggest that it's been detectable all along. Which is it?

    The statement is also quoted to suggest, not-too-subtly, that what's going on now (the idea that they are observing program use from the server-side) is similar to the aborted implementation of Punkbuster in 2006.

    This also may be true. But, again, not the best source.

    Also note something interesting. The statement cites 50,000 users of the program, then refers to that as one-third of the player base in 2006.

    If he's correct, that means a mere 4 years ago, when people tried to come onto Stratics and say UO had less than 50,000 players, the player base was actually 150,000 or so.

    *shrugs*

    -Galen's player
     
  8. Splup

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    Thing is, assumption that everyone using that program will be permabanned/quit is false.

    Most likely EA is not going to fling away with craploads of permabans straight away. Most like you first get warning or 24/h ban, and for 3+ strikes you get permabanned. Just like banning works atm. Sometimes GM:s just jail ppl and don't even give 24h ban.

    Most of the users will quit using the prog after first warning/24h ban and play the game without it. Ofc pure mining/lumberjacking/etc. accs will be closed if they don't find undetectable program, but those are Minority.

    Only thing is, even thou I know it's kinda wrong, I hope the search sites find a way around this. I just don't feel like going back to wasting whole evening searching for some item... Atleast general chat helps a bit since you can often find items by asking there.
     
  9. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
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    The odds are excellent that nothing will happen. We really need to face that.

    -Galen's player
     
  10. Splup

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    True...
     
  11. Balinor of Pk?

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    If you read back carefully you'll see he was saying that the way it is now, it's EASILY detectable but if he made his OWN version, it would be undetectable. Reading comprehension for the win. :)
     
  12. ingsmsico

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    the odds are excellent that they catch actual cheaters. ie: those who exploit game mechanics.

    we really need to start using terms properly. cheating is exploiting game mechanics. using unapproved programs and UM'ing is different than cheating.

    you guys can continue to use the word improperly to make your political statement, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.
     
  13. Yalp

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    I find the letter interesting too.. and something to be taken with a grain of salt.

    One has to ask the motives of a programmer that intentionally wrote something to make a profit on, which was also blatantly against the expressed interest of the owner of the game. He goes on to detail how he is really a good person, providing a much needed service because EA doesn't care about their customers or their needs. And the egg which would be on their face if they took action based on what they already knew!

    Yet he never mentions the profit he is making from his "charity for EA". Nor the loss of said profit from the PB rumors. But rest assured, he will slave away night and day (or 5 seconds) to produce a completely UNDETECTABLE cheating program... again out of pure generosity and love for EA.

    :popcorn:
     
  14. ahardy

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    Quote for emphasis

    Actually cheffe program has 216786 users.
     
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