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stealth, detect scenario

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Balian of Asgard, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. Hello, today I just logged in after being several hours logged out. I was hidden already when i logged in, I stealthed out of the yew gate house looking for someone to play with, i was never at anytime revealed, there was no one around, an orange pops out of the gate and goes to a corpse up a little from the gate, out of the items on the ground, i grabbed a valentines box off the ground, * never at any time was i revealed or unhidden*

    the orange player immediately knows where i am and follows me while i stealth away, he follows me like i am tracked, he meteor storms me while i am shuffling away!!!!!
    Is this normal?
    How did he target me in order to track me? when i was never visible?
    Is this some type of a hack?

    Oh and anothing one,,, this blue tamer that never leaves the gate says all kill and sends his dragon off to attack someone, immediately he cast invis on himself, i stealth over to where he was and he is gone.....if one has stealth but no hiding, will invis and then stealth coincide and work together?

    Thanks for reading this semi rant, and I hope someone has some answers :)
     
  2. Chad Sexington

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    He had you tracked and then cast meteor swarm in your general area.
     
  3. But.......

    How did he track me when I was never visible at any time
     
  4. Nylan

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    You do not need to be revealed in order for someone to track you with the tracking skill.
    And picking anything up off the ground would giveaway that there is someone around.
     
  5. MalagAste

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    If he was orange I'm surprised he didn't reveal you the second he came near you....

    As a general rule I've found ANY orange coming within 5 tiles of me if I'm NOT standing absolutely will reveal me EVERY time..... which I find to be extremely annoying....

    Also.... they can see you stealthing if you picked up an item and started walking as MANY times you see this at the Brit bank people get something from the bank and walk away and the thing drops from the sky and follows them forever..... or until they enter the moongate and disappear.... it's a graphics glitch of some sort..... but you can stand at Brit bank and watch this for yourself anytime.....

    As for the hitting you with meteor storm while your hidden ..... Yep happens..... also if it's an archer and he had your bar previously... he can shoot you while your stealthed too...

    Makes you wonder why you bothered wasting at least 200 skill points don't it?
     
  6. Asmodai

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    when you move something in your pack when hidden you can see it fly down from the top of screen indicating that someone is hidden and moving items. This combined with the tracking skill which detects people hidden or unhidden means he located you easily. Then we cast meteor swarm in your general direction and it will locate anything within the spells radius.

    You got pwned.
     
  7. k, ty,

    So im figuring if one has more than JOAT in tracking, they can track hidden players that have never shown.

    hmmm

    Thats like catching a mosquito at night with the lights off, thats real funny, hehe

    ty for replies
     
  8. Petrify

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    It's a hack. :eek:
     
  9. Warpig Inc

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    Yes a hack. Check back through the threads. Someone brought up the same type of targeting. They stealthed in and got insta target shot by a group of orange archers while stealthing. So I can see a cast spell current target by a mage.
     
  10. yes, i do know what hidden people dressing themselves looks like,
    and i picked up the basket intentionally

    Please expand on the part about
    "You do not need to be revealed in order for someone to track you with the tracking skill."

    Im curious to know, if one has gm tracking do they automatically detect anything hidden? does a gump come up on their screen like a RADAR beeep beeep beeeeeep theres a stealther infront of you ARM MISSLES!!!!!

    Thanks
     
  11. wasnt that, he followed me all over with a meteor armed, then blasted me when i stood still
     
  12. I thought only elves could passive reveal, are these oranges all elves? or maybe you bumped into something?

    how does this one work?

    no, i love stealthiing, i wouldnt give it up because a buncha cheater can kill me, theres nothing more gratifying that killing one of them and getting 30-50 points off em lol
    that makes the 200 points worth it
     
  13. Chad Sexington

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    It wasn't a bug, it wasn't a hack, and he wasn't cheating.

    With GM Tracking, you don't automatically track everyone hidden, but you have a good chance. Sometimes on the first try. Sometimes on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th attempt. It just brings up a gump that has all the people in the area, hidden or not.

    Meteor Swarm is an area effect spell.

    It damages all people even if you are hidden.


    You're not safe just because you're in stealth mode.
     
  14. Lyconis

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    http://uo.stratics.com/content/skills/tracking.php
    I don't know if this is up to date but we'll use the principle of it as our guideline
    %chance to track = (tracking+detect+1-20) / (hiding+stealth) x 50
    Going against a player that has 100 hiding and 120 stealth
    45%-50% with 100 tracking and 100 detect
    4.5%-9% with Jack of All Trades Human
    .2%-4.5% as an Elf
    Tracking can be done on any character. The more players on the screen the harder it is to track a player there is a limit to the amount of players that will show in the gump. If there are 50 players on the screen a player with maxed tracking and detect will most likely never find their target. There is a range limit based on your tracking and detect skill. With JoaT the player you want to track usually has to be on your screen.
    When using the tracking skill a little arrow will appear that shows you the direction the tracked player is. It usually takes me 10-20 times with JoaT to find most 100/120 stealthers if I find them at all.

    Whats really neat on your shard is the player(s) that appear to start "tracking" you as soon as you get on the screen as an elf with no tracking/detect skill and meteor swarm you to death in seconds. Anyhow I think you've lost it, but then so have I.
     
  15. Bobar

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    Doesnt matter if you log in hidden or just hide a player with GM tracking that actively uses it can pick you up. Might take a couple tries or so but once you are detected and selected on the gump, you are followed by a little arrow on screen that follows you where ever you go. Once he has a spell selected and it looks like you have stopped he can cast on the arrow and if you are in the vicinity you will get hit.

    It used to be that if you were detected in this way and someone summoned a lava snake this would injure and reveal you but this has been stopped.

    I am in error, of course you cannot target the arrow which follows you, you would need to target yourself standing near the arrow.
     
  16. weins201

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    There has always been a problem with this borught up many times.

    It is very rare that a player poping out at Yew gate has tracking. When they do yes they can track but when u use the tracking skill you have to pick Player or Animal for it to work. 50 / 50 shot at pickng the right one if the player has never been visible. Once tracked it can show your location, the stronger the tracker (GM) the more accurate.

    BUT Meteor Swarm is a target spell you cannot, CANNOT, just target an area for it to work you have to have a direct target. The problem is he was able to be targeted without being visible. Plain Dead Wrong.

    Problem with tracking JOAT tracker are succeding at tracking 120 / 120 stealth trackers also somthing that should be fixed.

    As for the Hack i dont know were to find it :lick: but yes it allows player to attack hidden targets. There is also a featuer in KR, (which not many if any Pvpers play) which also allows same action and this needs to be adressed and fixed.

    Sorry to say stealthing is kinda broken and it is sad that so many players think its ok. This skill 120 / 120 should be somthing that only the best trackers 100 Detect / 100 Track should have any chance at all to be able to follow and accuratly hit. I would put it at 80% for a GM detedtor /tracker to be able ot follow a 120 / 120 stealth detector. and if you are under 50% not a chance to follow that stealther.

    As for the people who say metoer swarm is OK, well your wrong, if you dont have a target not a chance. If the stealther stand s in a crowd then yes mayber, but NOT out in the open all alone.
     
  17. Chad Sexington

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    Sure it can.

    Cast it next to an animal and see what happens.

    (A lot of mis-informed people in this thread.)
     
  18. VorteXPete

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    I must have missed this feature in KR, sounds new to me
     
  19. Faeryl

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    Yes, Invisibility works like Hiding, just more... temporary. As such, it will work with Stealth :)
     
  20. CatLord

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    1- changing items while hidden... items show floating in the air.

    2- meteor swarm can be cast at the floor... anywhere but in guardzones/towns.

    Enjoy uo!
     
  21. Green Meanie

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    when you use skill tracking it does not bring up a target cursor. It provides a gump where you decide what to track. off the top of my head the options are animals monsters npcs and players. Players in an animal form will be found under animals.

    so the oj saw the item move used skill tracking got lucky on picking right option. Random number generator favored them and they succeded on tracking you.

    once they thought they had you limited to a small anofe area they cast metor swarm and bam theres a target.

    No explot no Hack No anything.

    and just to note you can metor swarm yourself and it will hit invisable players within range of you so if you stand next to where you think the player is that works fine.
     
  22. MalagAste

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    My stealth Archer has 40 tracking...... he's also an elf..... I can tell you that I can track someone with GM hiding and 120 stealthing about ever 5 or 6 tries... Once I get them on tracking I have them for about 5 min.....

    As for the Oranges they are orange because I'm warred to them.... And yes they reveal you 100% of the time if you get within 5 tiles of them if your moving ..... 100% of the time.... Sad when you have 220 skill points invested and they have nothing but the 20 human tracking.....

    If I'm standing still an orange can not usually reveal me but others do just walking close to me..... kinda stupid ..... but it happens..... In Fel if they walk by where you are they still get the "shove" message and know your there so it's just a matter of revealing you...


    I've always felt that stealthing/hiding was BUGGY because of the reveals by ANY warred character... they don't need anything other than passive reveal.... like I said it's almost impossible to walk near anyone warred while your in stealth... but that's always been that way...... Heck they can be 3 floors above you and still reveal you if you walk under them within that 4 or 5 tile radius.... sad really.