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Still having looting rights issues

Discussion in 'UHall' started by NuSair, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. NuSair

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    Happened last night at Medusa and this morning at a rat champ spawn. Doing it on my sampire, doing plenty of damage to get loot rights, when it dies- no loot rights.
     
  2. S_S

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    Don't hold your breathe, according to the DEV team.. this is intened and working as it should. LOL
     
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    Just do what I do, solo them, then if you don't get loot rights you know there is a problem.. with a Sampire it should be no issue soloing either of those, especially the Medusa.
     
  4. NuSair

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    I can and do solo them, but that isn't the point.
     
  5. NuSair

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    Nor is it really an answer, tbh.
     
  6. NuSair

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    Nor is it really an answer, tbh.
     
  7. Picus at the office

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    If you have two dexxers beating down a Baracoon(or other such) and one guy gettes looting rights while the other doesn't you have a problem....
     
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    Situation 1-
    Guild doing a guild hunt together. I am on my sampire- we have like 8 people there. Equiped with my repond slayer and EOO, hitting the whole fight, don't die, have lens so I don't get petrified, ect- I don't get looting rights, happened to someone else on the next run as well.

    Situation 2-
    Duo'ing Baracoon with my wife this morning, maxed out in damage, ect- no looting rights.

    Situation 3-
    Neria this morning- I am on my sampire- wife is on hers, there is a garg thrower and a tamer there as well. We all get looting rights, except my wife. And she out damages me.

    I am pretty sure this is because the system is looking at Vampiric Embrace as a healing effect and somehow in all that mess that is the new looting code, the damage + healing is getting messed up (like damage + amount healed exceed the creatures hit points), because I have experienced the same thing on my tamer when I do a lot of healing during long encounters.
     
  9. Quickblade

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    Nusair, did you drop party near the end in all situations above ?
     
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    Doesnt have anything to do with party. This has happened to me and several guildmates ever since the new changes to loot drops/loot rights. We are never partied. I do agree that it has something to do with high damagers, not sure about healing. But good luck getting the DEV team to admit something is messed up. I've posted in uhall, sent emails and personally talked to 1 dev member... in one ear, out the other.
     
  11. Theo_GL

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    Yes, I can report same issues on my sampire. Have combo'ed on a spawn with someone else. One time I get all scrolls, next time he gets all scrolls. Both not in party and doing roughly equal damage.

    UO - Solo hunting for the win.
     
  12. Merus

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    Best I have been able to figure out here it has to do with who is taking the damage... With 2 dexxers the looting rights generator is split into 4 parts.

    Dexxer 1 damage dealt
    Dexxer 1 damage taken
    Dexxer 1 damage healed
    Dexxer 2 damage dealt

    So even if dexxer 1 and dexxer 2 output the exact same damage, with a high damage taken/healed on dexxer 1 it may be enough to drop dexxer 2 under the overal % to recieve rights.

    Not the way it SHOULD work, but most likely working as it is currently programmed.
     
  13. Quickblade

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    Gotcha but, that dexxer #2 heal himself too so both dexxers should have equal dmg input/healed ...
     
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  14. NuSair

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    For the guild hunt, yes.

    For the other, my wife and I never party up, no reason to.
     
  15. Picus at the office

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    I've had it where there are 4 chars at a spawn(2 people duel clients). 2 samps, justice guy and a barb running provo specials. 1 samp gets scrolls, bard gets scrolls and the justice guy get his hits but the other samp missed out...that is even more odd.
     
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    Except for most mobs they only attack one of the dexxers so the other sampire isn't taking or healing damage.

    Bard songs can heal damage if you are running provoke mastery songs... Those usually will get you credit for scrolls even if it isn't enough for looting rights.
     
  17. Quickblade

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    The only time where I didnt receive loot/scrolls as it should was when my tamer's greater dragon turned blue while fighting baracoon for the whole fight he stayed blue and I didnt get any scrolls that means the dragon got the scroll (joke) but something was bugged when a pet do not receive any command orders for a while it turns blue (usually it shows green when you are guilded) but in this thread looks like the sampire aint getting the looting rights but it has nothing to do with turning blue or whatever here, sorry cant help the OP
     
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    I quit doing EM events on my main character because of this. Chain casting 150 point flamestrikes doing 10s of thousands in damage isn't enough for even a measly 250gp and 2 pieces of generic loot? Ok I won't bother.
     
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    I've been complaining about the new system since it was put in.... I not only don't manage to get looting rights more often than not but I used to get things from doing EM events .... but since the change haven't gotten a single drop.

    Half the time I feel I'm not getting credit for most the damage I'm doing... With LS and AI I'm raking in the damage doing anywhere from 90 to 190 points of damage a shot and fairly consistently. With Pinco's I know exactly how much damage I'm doing and compared to many of my friends I'm doing WAY more...... yet I still come up empty handed time and time again.

    It's to the point I just plain don't care to do much anymore... I'm sick of going to EM events and having cross shard gargoyle throwers in wraith form running away with almost all the drops... and folk who care about the events and spend countless hours documenting the RP from the events and the events themselves get squat. And those who care only for the drop running off with all the spoils. It's frustrating.

    But of course there is nothing wrong with the drops... or loot system. Yet despite everything I can't help but wonder WTF is going on.... I went from getting drops about 1/3 of the time to NEVER.
     
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    It's hard to pin-point what's wrong with it.

    The other day, we did a harrower about an hour-ish, before serverdown on LS, we had 5 people hitting it, 1 sampire, 1 wammie, 2 archers, and a mage, We also had stealther protecting.
    Only the wammie & the sampire recieved looting rights. I got 8 scrolls & friend of mine got 8 Scrolls. the protector received the normal 16 scrolls. but both the archers & the mage didn't get looting rights at all.

    The mage said he did 9k damage to the First form of the harrower and 12k damage to the True. (he was in EC, so he could tell how much he did total, apparently).

    IMO, I think Healing counts against your damage (If you're doing both, Self healing doesn't seem to matter) but it needs more testing =X
     
  21. MalagAste

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    I know something is borked for Archers. I am always on my Archer for EM events and I haven't gotten credit for things in so long I can't understand it.

    Yes the EC with Pinco's UI tells you exactly how much damage you are doing. It would be interesting to get a group together that uses the EC with Pinco's on test and see what's going on with that. Check exactly how much damage folk are doing to a monster and check this looting rights issue. Because I know I'm doing a LOT of damage and getting no rights quite often especially at EM events.

    And I can say that at EM events I'm always rezing folk and such with bandages....
     
  22. Quickblade

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    A friend of mine Sampire with vampiric embrace and life leech on weapon just had looting rights issues on Cora, he did about half damage I did the other half. I am on a warrior without vampiric without life leech and I got looting rights, he didnt. We broke party before she dies but still it looks like the sampire with life leech/vampiric embrace is causing the issue...
     
  23. Bleak

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    What was the shard and character names?
     
  24. GalenKnighthawke

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    To clarify what I think we as players think the issue(s) is (are). I find it necessary to state this because I think it's fair to say that we as players think it goes beyond isolated instances.

    From what we can tell and from what we have been told the artifact "spawn in pack" distribution system and looting rights on monsters is now determined not only by damage dealt but by a combination of damage dealt, damage taken, and damage healer on one's self and on other Player Characters.

    We the players, however, consistently are seeing results that do not appear to match that intent. High-damage characters appear to be receiving a clear majority of items at EM events (not all but a clear majority), and if the other factors matter they don't appear to matter as much as was seemingly intended. (One guy on Great Lakes brings a wraith thrower to the events that's named "OP Event Thrower," in what can only be a nod to the dominance of that template.) Non-event PvM sometimes has weird results, such as those described in this thread, that don't seem to make sense given what the intent of the new system appears to be.

    We as players can't know, nor can we even begin to intelligently guess at, what's the result of long streaks of unfavorable die rolls from the RNG, what is working as intended but we do not like, and what is not working as intended.

    All we know is we see results that don't seem intended. Specifically the favoring of wraith-throwers at events and very strange results, such as those described in this thread, for non-event PvM.

    (Events with 50 to 150 people or thereabouts can have weird RNG results, but it's hard to see how smaller-scale high-end PvM can have RNG-driven results like that, as far as getting loot rights at all. To not get an artifact is one thing; to not get loot rights at all, with a small number of folks all of whom are contributing in what appears to be a compensible manner, is quite another thing.)

    Not all of us, but most of us, I think like the idea of rewarding healers as well as damage-doers. (I know I do. I often run with folks who prefer to devote themselves to healing at events and at high-end PvM and conceptually to reward them totally makes sense.) We just don't think the system appears to be matching what we've been told the intent was.

    -Galen's player
     
  25. MalagAste

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    All I know is I'm getting rather fed up with investing a lot of time and resources (I say this because Dexers, Mages and all don't expend resources much anymore) But we archers are ALWAYS using resources we need to replace.

    No other templates use as many resources, are forced to overfill their packs to the point they can hardly ever loot anything ..... but Archers. Bows, Bandages, Potions, Petals, and of course ammunition all take space.... and need replacing often. I just plain don't get it.

    And all the while healing folk and rezing the dead..... yet still Nothing...
     
  26. Quickblade

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    on Catskills, my warrior's name was Le G.O.D. and sampire's name was Katsumoto. I must mention we had 2 bards running masteries, one running peacemaking masteries the other provocation ones, but I dont think Bards could cause a looting problem since the sampire was landing 35-40 damage per hit over almost a fight of 10 minutes at max speed of 1,25 s (thats about 400 hits of 37 dmg average = 15k damage which is half of Cora I guess she has 30k hp?)
     
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    The bard running provo would get rights from the healing but the other doesn't get anything for the specials, I have done 100+ cora's solo and am 100% sure on this.
     
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    I doubt it has to do with Sampire. I do not play a sampire and I've had loot issues since the loot changes on my Bushido Archer, Straight Archer and Bushido Thrower. But all of my chars do use weapons with leeches.
     
  29. Quickblade

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    Yep I can confirm this the peacemaking masteries do not give credit for drops in pack neither for looting rights in corpse, but the issue is the sampire that have done over15k damage on Cora and no looting rights...
     
  30. NuSair

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    I agree it's not just a sampire or vampiric embrace issue. I have also had issues on my tamer when I heal a lot.

    I believe the bug is in the combination of damage and healing.

    It's like there is a starting point of 0. For each point of healing you get +1 and for each point of damage you get -1. In order to get looting rights you need to get to +/- 40. But, if you are dealing damage and healing, you keep going up and down on that scale and end up close to 0 and therefore get no loot.

    The sad part is that I have been reporting it and posting about it since it was implemented and it still hasn't been resolved.
     
  31. Quickblade

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    Then why they dont put both healing and damage done on the same scale ?
     
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    I am not saying that is how it is done- just saying that is how it appears to be done.
     
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    That is a plausible explanation because , your tamer with alot of heal/veterinary maybe he just equaled the damage done by the pet, and in the case of the sampire in Cora, he have done about 15k damage but with 20% life drain and 50% life leech on weapon which would almost equal his damage input, so in both ways it looks like if you heal the same amount of the damage done with maybe +/- 5% it ends up close to [0] on the scale healing/damage and tehrefore no looting rights... bleak is it possible to test out ?
     
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    This is very possible because ALL my weapons have life leech on them.
     
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    I have had this happen on my Archer, Dexer, Sampire, Tamer, Mage and Spellweaver...so I do not think
    it is char specific. And it happens more so at events than anything else. I heal, do damage and get
    the snot beat outta me and still no looting rights. So me thinks it is the system. :):)
     
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    Atlantic, 8:55am EST, Ish- spawn (spider) near Valor Moongate- Trinity (didn't get looting rights) and Destiny. Both sampires, I was hitting for ~161 (Trinity), wife was hitting for ~180 (Destiny). Both up whole fight, spamming AI.
     
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  37. Tazar

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    I have run into this a lot doing peerless with the group since the loot changes added healers to the loot drop system. I generally use a mage or mage/mystic template. I also typically get the most damage since I use slayer-scrappers and a lot of SDI with great Mana regen. Even as top damage dealer - there are times that I do not get looting rights. Probably 40% of the time.