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Stratics Forums Login timeout, quite annoying...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Jun 1, 2009.

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  1. popps

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    Is there a way to increase the Stratics Forums login timeout ?

    I find it very annoying to have to re-enter the login after a short while of inactivity all the time.......

    Thanks.
     
  2. Beer_Cayse

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    Try checking the box marked "remember me"
     
  3. Snakeman

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    Going to say, over the years I have not had to enter mine in other then once & the 2nd time was when the boards crashed & we needed to get new ones.
     
  4. popps

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    Doesn't the option "remember me" save login and password on the Hard Drive thus opening it up to a risk of being retrieved in case one is hacked ?

    I prefer to enter mine each and every time so I do not need to store them on the hard drive.

    Only problem, I'd wish the time out timer was longer..........
     
  5. Petra Fyde

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    You can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

    I've a feeling if you were hacked, your Stratics log in being retrieved would be the least of your worries.
     
  6. Beer_Cayse

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    username only ... not password.
     
  7. Storm

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    Thats what I was thinking
     
  8. popps

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    And why is that if I may ask ?

    I mean, that the timeout Stratics' Login timer is 2 minutes or 20 minutes or it is adjustable by the Stratics user to whatever timeout timer the user wants what would be the problem ?

    Why can't a Stratics' user choose to enter Login and Password each and every time and not use the "remember me" option and yet be able to set a much longer timeout timer having both at the same one time ??
     
  9. Petra Fyde

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    I'm sorry, not only is that question beyond my knowledge to answer, it would also be beyond my authority to implement.
     
  10. Just click the damn "Remember Me" box and let it be. I'm 110% positive not one single person here on Stratics would want to impersonate you here. You have nothing to worry about on that count.

    You must not have been able to think of anything in UO to complain about today....
     
  11. Beer_Cayse

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    jeez ... just accept the fact there are SOME Things YOU cannot have control over. You've been given suggestions ... use them or leave be!
     
  12. Lynk

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    He doesn't want an answer, he wants people to post something like "Wow popps, that's a great idea. I wish I would have thought of that! You rock ! :) :danceb: :danceb:"

    It's just like one of his other threads about him having to release a pet to free up stable slots. People told him what he should do or could do, and he kept posting the same thing over and over again.
     
  13. popps

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    Well, I don't know much about it being a great idea but perhaps, just perhaps, it could be of help to at least some of the Stratics' users........

    Now, if there is a timeout timer for Stratics' Login users, it means that somewhere, someplace there is a little number that says the user need to be logged off if inactive in X time.

    I just wonder what would be the problem to make it longer than what it is today.....

    I get told just click that "remember me" button........." well, then as an alternative why couldn't that little timeout login timer be increased, instead ?

    Not saying either one is better, just trying to understand why it should be the "remember me" box checked and not, instead, the timer increased..........
     
  14. Lynk

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    And he did just what I said he would...

    *bows*
     
  15. popps

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    Well, was I answered, perhaps, "why" the timer should not be increaseable than what it is ?

    If I was, I am sorry, but I missed that answer.

    I just saw the part about suggesting me to check the "remember me" box, NOT the actual answer to my question..........which is why the timer is what it is and not a longer one, perhaps even customizable by the Stratics users for their better convenience at using the Forums.........
     
  16. Lynk

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    And the 5th time in one thread.

    Your problem: You get logged out of stratics frequently.

    Solution: Check "remember me".

    That's it. Your idea/wish/want (whatever you want to call it) is horrible and unnecessary, yet you continuously post the same thing 5 times.

    In fact, your reply to this post will be the 6th time you posted the same thing.

    Here's a simplified version of a conversation with you as a child to your parent:

    You: Mom can I have a cookie?

    Mom: No you can't, you can have some wheat thins though.

    You: I'd really like a cookie, maybe with some milk. It wouldn't be that hard for you - just get them out of the cupboard.

    Mom: Have some wheat thins and some water if you're thirsty.

    You: I don't want water and wheat thins, but I'm hungry I want a cookie and milk.

    Mom: You can't have a cookie and milk.



    You see how repetitive it gets?
     
  17. Petra Fyde

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    There is no 'little number to change' in the areas I have access to. The only people with access beyond what I currently have are the site directors.
     
  18. popps

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    Maybe it would be good to know "why" cookie and milk is not possible rather than just say one can't have them ?

    Just an idea..........

    I am not questioning it might be a horrible idea, I just do not know.

    If you think so, could you kindly explain "why" it might be so horrible the possibility that Stratics' Forums users could have a longer timeout timer, perhaps one that could even be customizable by the users to their better convenience ?

    Thanks.
     
  19. Lynk

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    IT'S HORRIBLE BECAUSE IT'S UNNECESSARY. A FEATURE ALREADY EXISTS THAT DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT IT TO. THATS WHY.

    THXBAI
     
  20. Harlequin

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    The relevant setting is the webserver's equivalent of the "session.timeout=" parameter. It's a global setting that can only be changed by the server administrator. AFAIK, the board admins have no control over this or is there any setting you can change on your end to do this.

    I am one of the people that disable scripts and cookies too, meaning I have to deal with things like having to login everytime I make a post and spoiler tags don't expand for me, formatting tools don't work, having to re-enter my ID/PW if I take too long to type a reply etc.

    There are ways to workaround this.

    It's my choice to have increased security at the expense of convenience. Even if the server admins are kind enough to increase the timeout parameter, (and at the expense of security) what's the limit? Would doubling satisfy your requirements? I assure you that people will still get timeouts and want it increased further.

    Then you have bigger bunch of people that uses shared PCs complaining that the session doesn't timeout fast enough and other folks using that same PC are hijacking their sessions.

    So there are other issues that the server admins have to consider.
     
  21. popps

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    Well, thanks, at least I have an answer now to my question with an alternate point of view to ponder on.

    I like to try to understand the "why" of things, not just go by them because that's it.......

    You mean I can reduce my Stratics' Login timeout inconvenience somehow without necessarily have it at the expense of security as checking the "remember me" box perhaps could do ? How ?
     
  22. Security? This is stratics, not your bank or UO account. Why would anyone possibly want your login here?

    Security is important, but so is *what* you are trying to secure. I have a lock on my car door, but not on my trash can.
     
  23. Harlequin

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    Yes, but might not be the way you are thinking of.

    Since the timeout cannot be changed, you try to do things within that time frame. If it's taking longer than you planned, type in notepad first, then copy/paste when you reply. I have to do this a lot as I get called away quite often when I make posts.

    If you also disable scripting - whenever you want to do formatting or smileys, manually type in the codes. eg [ b ] to start bold and [ \ b ] to end bold (without the spaces). This works well for blackberry users too

    To see spoilers, do a reply and the hidden items will show up.
     
  24. Because changing the timer requires a change in the coding of the website, whereas checking a single box ONCE requires nothing but you getting it through your damn head that we're sick of hearing your complaining and just checkng the box without repeating yourself 999,999,999,999 more times.
     
  25. Petra Fyde

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    Connor :)

    Take a really deep breath, and count to 10.

    Twice. :D
     
  26. *grumbles incoherently*

    *steps away for another cup of coffee...*
     
  27. Lynk

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    I was beginning to think I was the only one that thinks this guy is slow.
     
  28. Beer_Cayse

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    ummmm, slow ... I guess that's what you could call it. <snicker>

    You, me & Connor so far ... anyone else for this bandwagon?
     
  29. Beer_Cayse

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    splash some Irish Whiskey into that cup ... it'll make ya feel REALLY good!
     
  30. popps

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    Hmmm.... but a Stratics' user doing this would, at least in theory, open up to a security risk if hacked, since login and password, when using the "remember me" option, get stored on the hard drive.

    So, correct me if I am wrong, the simplicity comes at a price for the user while, instead, if the timer was somewhat increased with some effort on Stratics side, this would be of more ease as in regards to users' concerns about their login informations.

    Now, the question is whether it should be more fair for the user to give up some security or for Stratics to change the timer with some effort.

    I think it is a matter of opinions............

    An idea could be to make the timer increase, perhaps even make it customizable, at least for Stratics PLUS users who pay for the service. So, Stratics' users concerned about their security could have another incentive to upgrade to the PLUS service and for Stratics the effort to change the timer would perhaps be more justified by the fee for PLUS users. Just an dea.
     
  31. why would anyone want your stratics password?
     
  32. Tina Small

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    I think Stratics Plus memberships have gone the way of the dodo, Popps.

    Here's another thought, Popps. I have no idea how accurate it may be though. It's just a wild theory.

    As you've no doubt noticed, Stratics displays lots of ads. I'm sure those ads help pay for the cost to run the forum, as we the users do NOT pay to use this forum.

    Companies that advertise on Stratics and potential customers are no doubt interested in knowing approximately how many people are logging into the site so they know whether what they pay to advertise on Stratics is fair.

    I would imagine that Stratics has built or has access to an application that keeps track of daily log-ins and possibly even a way to track actual numbers of users. By forcing you to log-in after a set period of inactivity, they are probably able to get much more accurate usage numbers than they would by letting you stay logged on forever and ever.

    Anyway, that's my crazy thought for the day. No idea if it's even remotely close to the real reason why the log-in timer is the length that it is. It's worth exactly what you're paying to read it: Nothing.
     
  33. Bomb Bloke

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    Yes and no.

    These days, if your computer is infiltrated to the extent that they can cruise your files at will, they'll likely throw on a key logger and pick up every username/password you enter, regardless of whether you tell your browser to remember the things or not. This makes it far more likely for them to be able to pick up bank account details, MSN logins, you know... the sort of stuff they actually care about.

    That is to say, if you're relying on cookie avoidance to keep yourself secure, you may eventually find yourself in for a nasty surprise.

    Your Stratics account should NOT grant hackers access to any information you wish to keep private. If you have PMs containing eg UO account details or banking information, you shouldn't be trying to protect them, you should be DELETING them. Now.

    Once this is dealt with, you've got nothing to worry about. Even if someone does get your Stratics login data, they can't do anything with it that they couldn't do with a fresh account they created themselves.
     
  34. As Petra said, if someone hacked your computer, your Stratics info would be the very least of your worries, and would probably be the only thing the hacker did leave alone as there isn't a single person here on Stratics that would want to impersonate you. You're either paranoid to the point where it's time to seek medical and chemical attention, or simply using this now overly tired excuse to continue your whine since there is a perfectly reasonable option available to you.

    In other words, get over yourself. :loser:


    That better Petra? :lick: :D
     
  35. Beer_Cayse

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    it's a frickin' conspiracy, I tell ya! All your posts belong to me! <evil cackle>

    man, drop it ... really. no one wants your damn Stratics name/password. we have enough issues with our own!
     
  36. Petra Fyde

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    I think it would be a relief to all if I brought out my little dancing friend.

    [​IMG]
     
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