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Subscripton cost should be half of what it is

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Penana Car, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. Penana Car

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    Netflix is $7.99 monthly.

    League of Legends and Diablo 3 are free to play platform.

    WoW puts out more in a midnight hotfix than Mythic does in an entire publish. They have about 200 developers. They still put out expansions. They have pages of developer forum participation each day. In game support. No reverts. On schedule maintenance times. Compensation for lost game time. A far better UI platform. A far better game. All for the same cost as UO.

    Give me one good reason why I should pay the same to play this game?
     
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  2. DJAd

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    Because you love it.
     
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    I don't love it. I'm not going to pay $15 monthly and watch lackluster developers earn a salary.

    Fact is UO is doomed. EA is not pouring resources into it. Just a matter of time, i.e. fiscal year end, until we see corporate EA pulling the plug on UO as it has to be a hefty outdated expense .. unless there are some brilliant enhancements on the horizon.

    Not saying this as an attack on the game, it is just how I feel. Never in a hundred years would past developers of Ultima Online let their primary shard revert by several weeks , and then avoid discussion / proper explanation of the matter. There should have been more compensation to the players. . appalled by how it is handled.

    Duping is beyond out of control why try to get a handle on it now?

    Scripters.. speed hackers and the works

    Come on

    $15? Hell no
     
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    Then quit?

    It is what it is. If you like it, then pay it. If you don't, then quit. It's not complicated.

    The fact is that EA sets the price. If you really have a big issue with it then take it up with them.
     
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    I quit in 2010. Give me a reason to come back.
    This is the official forum for Ultima Online allegedly. I am taking it up with them here. Let's see a developer response please.

    Unfortunately if there is not an improved culture, great players like myself will never come back and the game will suffer.
     
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    If thats the way you fell Penana then stick your favourite items in your bank box any maybe take some time out from the game?

    I've heard it all before and nothing has changed. "Its a dying game", "UO should be free to play" etc etc...
     
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    Make yourself a trial account and see for yourself. Really is the best way, no one can convince you better than yourself.

    However I don't recall this being the official EA forum. As far as I am aware, only a few devs read here, and they do not set the subscription fee (that is up to EA).
     
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  8. Penana Car

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    This is the official UO forum. They shut down MyUO forums years ago and deemed Stratics the official community for Ultima Online. It was an expense cut but of course subscription cost stayed the same. There used to be MyUO guild pages and character search, it was working, probably a quick fix but the existing developers have no clue how to fix it or it would've been done in two days. Why pay the same price for people that can't maintain the same standard that developers 10 years ago did? Honestly this is truth. I invested thousands into UO. Some simple, realistic answers would be great. I don't need to hear from people that want to defend them to death and filter the truth from being known/heard. That is all people seem to do here anymore.

    Time to take a stand for the good of the game. That's all I'm doing. My opinion is fair and should be heard, whether respected or not. But I am sure the thread will be locked and/or deleted.
     
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    Not trying to defend anyone. Merely providing an honest suggestion. If you truly want to see whether or not you wish to join again, create yourself a trial account and check it out first hand.
     
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    Answers to what though? Its easy, you don't feel its worth the money so you stopped playing. Thats totally cool. Are you looking for reasons why you should come back? I'm a bit confused mate.

    I guess for me personally I don't mind paying the "premium" as there simply just is no other game out there like it. UO ticks all the boxes for me. Sure there are ups and downs but it gets sorted sooner or later. It adds a bit of character to the game.
     
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    No.no an no. Its so cheap already for what you get...

    I cant buy one single pack of smokes. (Yes twenty individual cigs) for the price of 30 days of fun..

    actually my lunch daily at work costs more than a months suscription...

    Im happy with the price... one night out in town having fun costs say upto ten times the cost of a month..

    Maybe its just me??



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    Oh and i see my years of paying as fun ive had.. i do not feel im owed anything for my loyality...

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    I believe the price is fine, but a char slot more on Siege Perilous would be nice :)
     
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    Frejasp. Now although a extra char slot would be nice, ss's have pretty much sorted that.. plus people are forced to live by there name hehe

    That i like.... :)

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    I have 6 char names, Freja, Tina Tink, Red Rose, Rosalia, Deamon and ArcherGirl, only the one who can't afford more accounts, have to "live by their name". I personly don't need more chars as I really only play 4 of them but I know, we re losing players each time we get a public with new skills. People go to their old char to test it and do never come back to Siege.
     
  16. Eaerendil

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    WHAT???


    Ok, so why posting here? Why bothering with UO? Why not letting us alone?

    Why should we?
     
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    Indeed. What little sympathy the OP had went out the window when he said he hasn't played in three years. He wants the game, but on his terms, and the resulting halving of revenue would prompt EA to pull the plug. In business, it's not that something still makes a little profit, but that it's yielding the best return. At some point, unfortunately, EA will decide that UO isn't worth the resources. Cut subscription fees in half, and that point will be now.

    A company will charge what it thinks the market will bear. I can't go to a grocery store, auto dealership or cable company office and complain that they should be charging half for something. And it's not like EA is rolling in money anyway from UO revenue. As I posted elsewhere, $9.99 in 1997 is over $14 today when adjusting for inflation.[/quote]
     
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    Those that can't adapt, die. Or play Freecell.
     
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    You don't have to. Pay 9.99 per month by using a 6 month option. And I never understood why people ask others to justify why they should play a game. How do you know that my play style is the same as yours? It makes no sense.

    The above suggestion was best. Find out for yourself thru the trial account option and see what tickles your fancy.
     
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    Ha, Since freaking 2006 I have been hearing this game is dead. Since high school for me. I am sure people have heard it before then. The game is probably slowly dying. However it will probably last for at least a few years to come. If you don't like the price, do not pay for it. Write a letter to EA, not to people on this forum who can't do anything.
     
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    Where are you getting $15 a month to play UO? No where on any page at UO can you show me $15 even for the 1 month code. A 6 month code costs $60 and if you pay more then it is not UO/EA doing it, it is your state tax or country VAT so why don't you go whine to them. I have been playing UO for 15 years and I still only pay $10 a month. What a deal 15 years and still the same price.
     
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    Reality? You're not even a fraction the caliber of UO player that I am so your nonconstructive implication that I need to adapt to something is unwanted. There has been nothing new to adapt to in years. The game has lost its appeal for this reason and there has been nothing to convince me that the cost of subscription should go anywhere but down.
     
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    You quit in 2010, how would you know? I suspect you didn't come here to have anyone provide suggestions or convince you to join again, but rather to rant out of boredom.
     
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    Obviously, you have no idea, what you are talking about.
    Obviously, you have no constructive intention but complaining.
    Obvioulsy, your mental system is consisting of quite contradicting constucts.
    Obviously, you should go away and never come back.
     
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  25. Penana Car

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    ?

    I've mastered every aspect of this game that there is to master while you're learning how to be a mage on YouTube tutorials from people that suck at playing mages.

    My constructive intention is to lower the cost of subscription.

    Considering this very website has featured myself in interviews on the front page in 100% admiration of my skills and contributions to the game, I feel content that I belong here thanks.
     
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    Ah, finally I got your problem...

    NARCIST PERSONALITY DISORDER.

    Moderators, please close this thread...
     
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    lol
     
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    Why close the thread? I have been a victim of trolling here not the other way around. The perfect closure would be the Ultima Online Producer stepping up, here in the spotlight, to explain why what she and others have contributed to this game warrants the current cost of subscription. Let's see it. Take a stand to defend your product and give me one reason why Ultima Online deserves my subscription cost over a Blizzard product like World of WarCraft (which by the way has an exceptional friend referral program which awards free game time).

    This is all I want. I want a person - a title - to give me that feedback.

    You're a game producer you're not a celebrity by any stretch of the imagination, so don't hide behind your title. You work for a company that puts out a product. Tell me why I should invest in your product on a continuous basis when it has shown nothing but a decline in subscriptions and there has been zero new content.
     
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    Fact of the matter is , what made UO great , risk.
    UO lost its greatness when they took the element of risk from the game.
    When you weren't FORCED to compromise and take risks, the game lost its replay value.
     
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    Why should the producer defend the game to you? You are obviously the only one here who has such a major issue with this game and its cost.
     
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    You're right, the other 215,000 subscribers already quit.
     
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    You came here asking for a reason to play this game. Simple answer of creating a trial account and see for yourself. You made no comment on that
    You later replied that you do not like this game, effectively making the previous request moot.
    Now you continue to rant about the price of a game that you do not even like (and can't seem to get anyone to agree with you).
    But yet you persist.

    Either you lied and you really do love UO or you're really here just to argue...
     
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    I'm confused why would I want to create a trial account when I have an account created in June of 1998 with more 120'd skills than replies to this thread.
     
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    I agree with Penna Car subscription cost should be lowered to $7.99.

    Pinco who has done more for the game than just about any player in the history of Ultima Online suggested the same thing a few months ago. So Penna Car your not alone. Many of us just don't have the time nor the desire to argue with the Stratics Kool Aid drinkers. If you don't have anything good to say your posts simply get deleted here on stratics which is the official UO Forum being that there is nothing else.

    For what we're getting service wise and content wise we deserve much better for our money. Just look at the Mythic Token/ Wholesale duping debacle and how poorly that was handled.

    EA is milking UO for all it's worth.

    I'm down to my last account as it's hard to justify continuing to support this game with more than 1 account in it's current state.

    UO will always my home but this game is seriously lacking in leadership, vision, and resources.
     
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    To log in and see what has changed, how it looks, test out some new things, etc, all for free (obviously).
     
  36. Eaerendil

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    Obviously, you are NO an UO-player. You said it by yourself. And you - quote - don´t love the game. And - quote - WoW is a far better game.

    So, why don´t you play WoW and leave the UO-lovers alone, you admirable, every aspect mastering super-hero of a NON-UO-Player?
     
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    Thank you for your constructive input Veritas.

    Exactly my thoughts. If I were at the helm of this production with a history as thick as Ultima Online and the Ultima name itself, my crew would be as motivated as possible to uphold the standard of excellence that such past developers as toad, designer dragon, runesabre and others did, or they would fast be out of jobs. Remember the old UOHoC chats? They were epic. Now we can't get a reasonable explanation on such issues as the Atlantic shard reverting. Let alone a chance to discuss things openly with the remaining "dev team".

    It really takes a throwback player to understand the state UO is in now versus what it was historically. My friends and I agree that UO has been suffering a slow and painful death. I don't think this team has anything of what it takes to reverse anything now. They can't even get a MyUO character search feature to work on the main website.

    I work hard for my money and I'm not going to invest into something that I don't feel is worth the asking price. It is that simple.

    Electronic Arts is a corporation of greed. I look at how they've treated other projects (i.e. Sim City , Fight Night Champion , Wrath of Heroes ). It is only a matter of time now before they look at this game and pull the plug.
     
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    So, this is the 1035895th "Apokalypse Soon"-Thread we got here in the last months. We got it. We are all doomed...

    So, can we get back to playing and enjoying the last days of our beloved game? When someone dear dies, you shouldn´t tell him that he is doomed everyday. You should try to spend some nice time with him and keep the spirits up. :p
     
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    I'm entitled to my opinion. Sucks doesn't it.
     
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    There is no question as to whether or not EA is greedy. There is no question as to whether UO will get its plugged pulled sooner or later, this game is far from its heyday. But the UO team we have has no say in pricing and do what they can with what EA has given them. So if you like this game, pay the fee to play. Otherwise you can sit there hoping they lower the price, make it F2P (both of which are incredibly unlikely) or sit there ranting over it's price.

    As I said earlier, it is what it is.
     
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    Even if they did drop the subscription price to lets say half the cost. I would just open another account, and live the UO dream twice as much!
     
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    Called seperating the shaft. Straw. Straw moves on to become bedding. Bedding gets crapped on in a stall. Nothing halfed in price could ever get better. Dodge Viper is still bought at it's full price because people want it. I'm sure cutting it's price in half will not improve the product. Some purchases are what they are and not for the weak or timid.

    3 years you been out. Something such as the full swing of General Chat you have missed out on. What is your next thread going to be about? Reward count should be based off when an account was started and not how long it has been active? The housing where I am at has been halfed in price. It really has not improved the neighborhood.

    Nothing halfed in price gets better. Even if they did half the price to draw in more payers. After time someone would grunt " Sucks......should cost half much"

    As mentioned. You are really barking up the wrong tree here. So that is why the prods your getting as are such. If EA or the bean counters ever read threads here. Loads of the crap that happen to the game would of never happened. EA would of had the shed & teleporters in the store and the bean counters would of never let any soulstone or shard ever be in the game.

    You would of got a better fanfare here if you asked they gave a senior player discount.
     
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    You should have quit while you were only a bit behind, instead of making you UHall's laughingstock of the week. You aren't even trolling well.
     
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    Why do you not understand that UO is such a small portion of EA's total revenue, not overwhelmingly profitable, but right now still enough to keeping the servers going? Cut the subscription revenues in half, and we can all kiss the game goodbye. It won't be offset by everybody opening up new accounts to compensate.

    If you don't like the product's price, don't buy it, and kindly leave the rest of us in peace. You just missed EA's latest shareholders meeting, but you two can go harass EA next year if this is such a big issue to you.

    I don't recall that. Even if that were true (I'd have said Tugsoft with UOA), that doesn't make him a saint with an infallible opinion.
     
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    Penana makes a few good points..however I don't agree with the sub fee being lowered..if anything it should be taken away, he is 100% correct that we have had shoddy management for about 5 years now. This last dupe/re-creation or whatever it was, showed it perfectly..nothing in the patcher nothing in game, it's just terrible..yes, I currently don't play anymore "to play" I occasionally log in to PvP or raid..but those days are getting farther and farther apart. Not because I don't love UO..I do or I wouldn't be reading about it "hoping" something changes. I don't want full expansions "they would be nice" but I expect at least if I'm going to pay for a game at 12$ a month or whatever it does have certain guarantees..it's stable, which it isn't anymore, bugs are actually being worked on..which we all thought they were for some time but the grand ole "bug fix list" consisted of bugs like.."Easter candy will no longer fill your tummy" :/ what about gargoyles bola/flying, or blues statting faction players, or spending time FIXING the damn loop holes for duping..ya kno, game breaking ****!

    But here some sit having accounts in maintenance mode hoping that the powers that be make some good game altering changes to spices things up..but alas we have refinements and this oh so awesome Vice Vs Virtue..so excited :/ not really..at any rate here's to hoping things change for the better eventually and subs start looking up and maybe get back some vets and some new noobs to harass :) all in the spirit of UO of course...:cheers:
     
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    I pay something like 90 dollars a month to play UO.... I don't complain. Figure that's better than so many other things I could waste my money on. I also pay the 8 bucks for Netflix and 180+ every month for my stupid internet... Which I always feel is robbing me... I hardly ever watch anything on Netflix and I can't tell you the last time I watched something on Cable... yet I still pay for those...

    But I can say that I'm somewhere in-game almost every day and have been since I started playing over a decade ago... If UO continues I'll probably still be playing it almost daily in another decade.
     
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  47. cazador

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    I never minded paying for the game..for you are right..it's better and cheaper than a lot of things..I wouldn't mind paying more, as long as the game is tended to..which IT'S NOT..there has been bugs standing in game for 10+ years..that's INSANE!! The expansions always seemed rushed or incomplete..how about the simple kings collection it's STILL buggy in the store where people have issues. It's not so much the fact there are bugs, it's the fact that they aren't fixed! How about the lead who NEVER posts or gives any feedback or whatever..does he no longer head the UO team? Maybe it's on twitter idk..I tweeted him over a year ago about MYUO his response was it was being worked on with a smiley :)..yet here we are and I don't think he's made a comment on UO in just about that time frame..again it's not about the price or heck even the content..management is a whole is horrid, and for their future endeavors sake I hope it's due to EA which I'm sure it mostly is, for when UO eventually shuts down or goes FTP..the company they apply for says. "Oh well I see, you were this way because you worked for EA" we get it!
     
  48. Speranza

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    I can't give you a reason to pay. What I can do is tell you why I'm happy to pay for it:

    • I enjoy the game
    • I enjoy paying for my entertainment
    • I enjoy knowing that a developer team will be there to maintain the game.
    • I enjoy knowing that I will get the same Customer Support as anyone else (granted it's EA but in F2P you get less CS if you don't pay)
    • And the number one reason I pay for UO and any other game I play? I enjoy knowing I contributed to putting food on the table for all the families involved in production/maintenance.
     
  49. Akalabeth

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    There is just no other game like UO. No other game where I am free to be whatever I want to be and have the awesome houses that we have in UO.
     
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  50. weins201

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    NOT ONE PERSON MAKES YOU PLAY OR KEEP PLAYING DLTDHYOTA

    TTFN

    PEACE OUT
     
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