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Tearing up/Destroying an EM's Decoration on a Shard

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Jirel of Joiry, Dec 27, 2009.

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Should tearing up/destroying an EMs shard decorating be a bannable offense

  1. YES! Ban the offender permenantly!

    16.5%
  2. YES! Ban the offender for 24 to 72 hrs.

    47.6%
  3. NO! The EM shouldn't have decorated in the first place.

    14.6%
  4. Who cares the EM program is a joke!

    21.4%
  1. Jirel of Joiry

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    Should this be a bannable offense?

    Due to recent events on Legends I feel that it should be. EM Helios spent 5 hours decorating Legends Luna bank.

    Everyday since he decorated it someone dyes his bank floor covering black or grey.

    Tonight my sister was trying to return it to red and green like Helios had it. She was accused of dying it black, cussed out and paged on.

    She did page on the "children" who were destroying the bank but as usual the worthless GMs did nothing.

    I'm hoping this poll will encourage the dev team to communicate to the GM team and EM team our feelings on this matter.
     
  2. laurlo

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    I would hope that they would be able to do something that would keep it from being redyed in the first place..
     
  3. Jirel of Joiry

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    The EMs are so limited in what they can and can't do. :(

    However the GMs could put down the friggin eggnog and start kicking some little grinches into jail.

    The GMs could do such a thing as booby trap the stuff that people have been redying.

    If you try to dye it you are guard whacked! LMAO!!! Oh and regular healers won't heal ya you'd have to find a red one!

    Anything is better than the current situation on Legends. Damian fixes the damage everyday, and sometimes twice a day. IMHO if Legends lost their EMs it'd serve them right!
     
  4. red sky

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    I do not believe dying items at the bank is a ban able offense. Just FYI considering the only options you gave for the poll are ban or "I don't care". And yes, I am the one who has been committing such treasonous acts.
     
  5. Phaen Grey

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    Its a very sad situation that is taking many different forms depending on the shard. Those who desire the EM's and their involvement and those who wish to tear it down and ruin what they do either out of boredom or just to be disruptive. There was a time when the Seers could jail or squelch those who didn't want to participate and were only around to be disruptive. The EM's need better tools to police adults who can't behave any better than toddlers.

    The tiles however should be made static and un-targetable to fix the dyeing issue.
     
  6. twoburntfouryou

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    Any cut cloth in that amount no matter what color is way to much and and terrible lookng. A few holiday decorations here and there would have been better. No I do not think people should go around messing up what the EM's have placed that is child like but then again it is Legends full of people who act like children all the time. One reason My hubby and I and 2 other people we know went to another shard. And the fact that Legends really has very few people who play anymore. :sleep2:
     
  7. Lord Gareth

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    I think it would be fun to make a wolf character and dye some of it yellow. I dunno. I wouldn't scream and yell because that would make them do it more. I would prolly be like "Where is he going to dye next?" *Gets dye tub ready!*
    Once you don't give a bad reaction and play with them they should move on.

    To be honest I really want to go and dye the cloth and torture the EM for fun. Try to spell his name in the cloth. Or say like Hi EM! But I would obviously dye it back after I was done.

    I dont like the choices in the poll. Its either Ban them or The EMs suck. Sorry but those are the dumbest options.

    Second the title is dramantic. "Tearing up/Destroying an EM's Decoration on a Shard" They are dyeing cloth. Just like EA/Mythic says. Anything you put on the floor is fair game. Now I am going to go there and try to spell Helio's name and say hello. But I will dye it back to its original color.
     
  8. Lord Gareth

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    [​IMG]

    Says Hi H. I didn't want to spell Helios out all the way. Plus the bank is just
    soooo fricken awesome. I couldn't bring myself to dye another piece!!!!
    Don't Worry I dyed it right back when I was done.​
     
  9. Jhym

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    Ok... I can't vote because I don't agree with any of the choices.

    EMs have the choice of putting stuff down if they wish, but if it is dyable it is always fair game. The simpler answer is for the EM to find something non-dyable to put down instead.

    Or, I'm sorry to say, don't put down cloth on the floor, I find it somewhat tacky. We have carpeting in the game now, why not buy it and use it??
     
  10. Stupid Miner

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    Carpeting is dyeable.

    Oh, and I see no option for "Drawn and Quartered" but then again I may be a tad biased on this issue.
     
  11. Lord Urza

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    Your poll choices show a lack of seriousness, and maturity when approaching this, and in my opinion any other issue I have ever seen you post on.
    Instead why not?
    A. This Should be a bannable offence
    B. This person should receive a warning, but not be banned the first time.
    C.This player is in no violation of TOS, and therefore no action should be taken.
    D. Leave it to players to punish these people, by either choosing not to sell, buy, or trade with them ect. *BLACKLISTED*
     
  12. Mapper

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    Did the EM lock that cloth down? Personally I think that looks awful, The odd christmas tree or decoration is nice, but covering the entire floor is a bit.. too far.

    But dying the cloth should not be a banable offense.

    Oh and I didn't vote on the poll as I don't think its a banable offense and there isn't an option for that.
     
  13. the 4th man

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    It would seem, the Event Moderators haven't learned that UO is filled with these typical morons. Adults( I use that word loosely) who can't act like adults, because if they did, they wouldn't spend so much time on their butts getting fat.

    It's the same at any EM event, you get the kids, and then you get the kids. They have to spam, cast field spells and crave attention. Makes you wonder what some of these nimrods are married to.

    Bannable offense, no. Here's why, EA and good ol Mythic, have allowed players to walk all over them, especially artwork infringement. Being a moderator is a "good luck-have fun" thing, I wouldn't want it. A portion of the playerbase has the mentality of a box of rocks.

    later
     
  14. Llwyd

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    Tossing insults at the jerks' spouses isn't warranted. I'm sure we've all known some really nice people whose choice in mates has baffled us.
     
  15. MalagAste

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    I think you just have to wonder about the mentality of folk who are willing to ruin events by childish behavior.

    What are we back to kindygarden?

    I suppose some folk just can't leave things alone... that's why it costs us so much for every little thing... because people are complete idiots... you have to hire a lawyer to spell out on every little thing stupid crap that any dolt with half a brain should know... such as "Caution HOT"..... well I dang well hope my freaking coffee it hot! I'd be mad as hell if you sold the crap to me cold! "Smoking causes lung cancer"... well no crap.... as if that hasn't been drilled into everyone's head since first grade. It's on most everything you eat, drink, wear, use... Why? Because some idiot thinks it's cool to sue over stupidity... and other idiots think that stupidity should be paid.

    The fact is if there is some way to destroy, ruin, or mess something up... some dolt will do it. Plain and simple. Some folk just don't care about anyone but themselves. I'm not sure why they think it's "cool" or "cute" to destroy things for everyone else but they do.... case in point the previous EM program.... the Seers....

    I always thought it was a generational thing.... but that's not true. I know when I was young you couldn't and you didn't ride your bicycle in the street because someone would yell at you and perhaps tell your parents... and you'd get in trouble... Now if you yell at a kid riding their bike in the middle of the street the parents yell at you for looking out for the safety of their child... because it might hurt their feelings to get yelled at... Forget the fact that the kid may have had their life saved ....

    Bannable offense? Well I'm not sure... but you know part of me says heck yes... ban them... send a strong message that ruining events will NOT be tolerated... but we all know this will never happen. My thought is he should have considered this when he decorated the bank this way.... (And I am afraid I must agree with a few others.. UGH..... way too much, but that doesn't excuse childish behavior)....
     
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    Given the fact that names in UO are not unique, there is no way to enforce this.
     
  17. Stupid Miner

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    Actually, you're surprisingly not far off.
    I know I met one guy who was stealing all the cloth like this... because he needed gold, he was selling it to NPCs.

    and another nabbed a floral arrangement... to give to his wife. Talked to his wife later, and she made him put it back :p
     
  18. NewThunder

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    If an EM did that shame on them, not only is it ugly as sin, but having all those items in Luna causes lag.
     
  19. Crysta

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    In a similar form of disruption... its always disheartening when someone, after days of everything being set up nicely and enjoyed, decide to come along and axe any of the crafted wooden items that are sitting around. :(
     
  20. Cirno

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    I was going to say something along these lines.
    I wouldn't vote on any of those options, even if it were anonymous. There's a really bit area in between the two extremes that are basically ignored.

    I really do disagree with the disruption of the EM events and additions. But if there's any action against these people for doing it, it should be in line with the existing precedents.
     
  21. Lord Gareth

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    But we also have to remember. We haven't seen EM Helios complaining. Just one person.


    As for lag. I don't really think you can lag Legends. Its player base is not that high. Its not like say Pacific or Atlantic
     
  22. Reximus

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    It was on the ground, so no.
     
  23. canary

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    Jirel, you ALREADY made a post regarding this incident in your own shard's forum. Slapping a poll on it doesn't really change the fact it has already been discussed.

    I say who cares. Why don't you invest your venom (because, really, all your threads/ posts on stratics are tirades) and go to a homeless shelter and assist people, do counseling/ volunteer work at an AIDS facility or work on feeding children in other countries? You tend (imo) to waste a great deal of energy on the most mundane of things.

    BTW: Didn't you quit UO? Like 10 times?

    ps: Just because your original thread was locked gives you zero excuse to basically just start another... and you calling OTHER players 'children' is laughable.

    ps ps: Why are your threads always about your sister?
     
  24. GalenKnighthawke

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    Yep.

    Even sadder, though, is seeing people defend the behavior, and attack those who point it out

    *shrugs*

    -Galen's player
     
  25. MalagAste

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    Agreed... Worse still..... those who admit the behavior as if it's some badge of honor. Yeah.... I'm a shmuck...... thanks! Oooh pat me on the back for being a shmuck.....

    Personally.... I wish the DEV team would give the EM's the power to jail trouble makers.

    You want to ruin the event ..... well you can spend the next 2 hours in jail.... have fun..... See you later when you decide to act more mature than a 2nd grade bully.

    That's my opinion. The EM's need some way to punish those who are only there to ruin events for everyone else.

    Give them the ability to put them in Jail and select a time anywhere between 10 min to 2 hours.

    If they return and continue to be immature then another 2 hours..... if they keep doing it they get a 3 day ban.... after that it's permanent.

    Now as for dying the cloth.... that really doesn't "ruin" it..... though it's frustrating and annoying.... however if they were using it to write offensive things.... then perma ban them... but just recolloring it..... while annoying and well irritating.... it's not like they are spamming garbage.... spells, opening gates into fel in the middle of a large crowd.... opening gates to some nasty place that will get you killed.... Standing all over the EM so no one can see what the heck is going on... taking things.... summoning the harbringer in the middle of an event....

    These things have been going on since the beginning of the EM program .... and I highly doubt it will ever end.

    At least not without some higher power putting a stop to it.

    I have put at least a dozen people on ignore just because everytime they attend an event they are highly disruptive. And I'm not alone... what this does though is when we are supposed to be working as a group even if these folk were trying to be helpful..... we'd never hear them... I hate putting people on ignore. I only do it when I'm at my wits end trying to enjoy the event.

    I feel for you really I do... but as irritating as it is... it'll never end. There are no true consequences for being a twit in game. You can't kill them.... you can't ban them.... the GM's do nothing about it.. and the EM can't do anything.
     
  26. Stupid Miner

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    That's one of the most common, and lamest excuses I ever hear on this topic. You know, one, not two, *one* decently stocked vendor will cause as much "lag" as that entire design.

    If you're on a 28.8kbps modem, which is about the only kind that deco'd lag, you really shouldn't be playing UO.
     
  27. JC the Builder

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    Players have always been able to dye items placed on the ground, even if they are locked down. At one point the clothing in the Britain tailor shop was changing every single day.

    While it might now be nice, it is still a game mechanic. If the EM didn't plan for it then they should change the covering to something that can not be dyed. Players have frequently covered area with dyed cloth and someone always comes by to mess it up eventually. If I saw that I would have assumed it was decorated by a player.

    Banning people for this would be ridiculous.
     
  28. Teeshy

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    =P But I play UO because it's the only game I COULD play on a 28k modem!

    As for the topic itself, what's wrong with dying the "carpet" black? My Christmas decorations are all purple, black and white/silver - if someone came into my house and put down green and red (and *shudder* gold!), I'd probably do something to dye it too!
     
  29. canary

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    But it wasn't an event. He was decorating.

    Was it childish to dye over what he was putting up? Well, I can't argue that. But like JC said before, that is a game mechanic that exists if someone wishes to dye over something.

    Those engaging in this behavior shouldn't be banned, nor should you throw what amounts to a tantrum if someone decides to color the cloth something else. I would probably ask them why they were doing it and to politely not, but there are FAR worse things people have done during ACTUAL events that would give me greater cause for alarm.
     
  30. LadyKeroOfAtl

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    Didn't read all the posts, So I don't know if someone else had the same opinion as me.

    I didn't vote in the poll, There was no option for what I feel should happen.

    I don't think it should really be bannable, It's not like they're hacking someone, selling duped goods etc.

    That being said, GMs need to start jailing again and giving warnings.
    Or Something needs to be figured out so that the EMs aren't constantly under fire, and whatever they've done - event or deco - can't constantly be interrupted, messed with, or destroyed.
     
  31. Cogniac

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    You say vandalism.

    I say conduit for self-expression.

    [​IMG]
     
  32. Fink

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    I think we can give EM Helios credit for knowing the cloth would be dyable after he placed it. I'm sure all the EMs have a good working knowledge of the game in that regard, and they know players will inevitably do something simply because they can.

    Assuming he knew all that ahead of time, which seems reasonable, is it really so outrageous that this has happened?
     
  33. twoburntfouryou

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    Your very right.
     
  34. Sindris

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    I say ugly as sin no matter what colors you use. yuck.
     
  35. Tomas_Bryce

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    Ability of players to meaningfully manipulate and impact the surroundings sets Ultima Online apart from many of the other MMORPGs out there. Banning people is not the answer and I am confident that the EM's are capable of not only dealing with but embracing such "disruptions."
     
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    Luna itself is horrible. It's where dreams go to die. I walk into the luna area and see a bunch of people who are more griefers than PKs or PvPers yet pride themselves as such I see bank sitters and the occasional person spamming the usual "selling so and so items" line. While I know a lot of these were common place back in the day in britain bank most shards moved to the luna banks during the invasions which ticks me off I miss this crap in britain because it would remind me of the times where it would take 5 minutes to get through the bank but this being in luna is a sad reminder that those days are gone and now we have an awful overpriced shopping complex.

    That all put aside decorating luna is like putting tinsel on a piece of ****. It's still a piece of **** but now it glimmers in the sun a bit. (rhyme not intended)

    And I'm not trying to put down any EM's in fact I enjoy there participation in the community of the shards they are on but don't give people more reason to go to luna.
     
  37. Lynk

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    I'd actually be very upset if a GM wasted any time at all reading a page about dying cloth. Are you serious?
     
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    Especially with the fact that it takes forever to get one for a real issue. I had to wait hours to get a hold of one to get rid of the extra 250 or so stones I had in my backpack, with 0 items inside or equipped.
     
  39. OxAO

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    Who ever did it LOVES this post.

    This should be treated as a non-issue and the person would of gotten bored with it. But you encourage him.
     
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    I understand the time and energy involved...however this is just a case of self expression on an awesome level. I see big potential for that canvas...and I would actually enjoy seeing an artistic contest specifically designed for such a display.

    In regards to your survey...rants and flames dude...

    Again, its too bad IF the EM felt it was ruined...as far as your opinion on it...:loser:
     
  41. Beer_Cayse

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    I don't like it any more than most, however it appears your shard is filled with all sorts of anti-social types. Maybe a transfer to a quiet backwater shard would be in order? It could lower the stress level immensely.
     
  42. Cruxshadow

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    come to siege! we dont get EM deco! lol
     
  43. Lord Gareth

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    hehehe. That was just perfect timing!

    Please go to siege but please don't come to Chesapeake!
     
  44. Beer_Cayse

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    >poink<

    right on target
     
  45. olduofan

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    I dont think ems should be allowed to leave any deco/items in game for more than a month and after what happen to haven and brit banks i dont think we should allow devs to eff-up any more land either all that seems to be happening is places all over uo looks like chit imo
     
  46. Restroom Cowboy

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    I agree...after a while...its like the beercan or empty mcdonalds sack sitting on the curb...well almost. I think event stuff should be kept tasteful...with less clutter as reminder of something people already forgot. :(
     
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    Jirel, news flash, this is UO, if they let something dyeable, people are going to dye it. if you get pissed, they will have even more fun because they know you are pissed.

    lighten up