Thank you Stratics for successfully destroying my thread by moving it to Spiels and Rants. It would have been interesting if you decided to join in on the conversation but instead you decided to do the next best thing and bury it into obscurity. Spiel - 1. a usually high-flown talk or speech, esp. for the purpose of luring people to a movie, a sale, etc.; pitch. –verb (used without object) 2. to speak extravagantly. Rant - Main Entry: 1rant Pronunciation: \ˈrant\ Function: verb Etymology: obsolete Dutch ranten, randen Date: 1601 intransitive verb 1 : to talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner 2 : to scold vehemently As you can see by the definitions posted, the well thought out, rational discussion (minus one moron) most assuredly does not qualify as a rant because well read the definition. Neither does it qualify as a spiel as I am not, nor was I, speaking extravagantly or trying to persuade people to my viewpoint. It was merely my wife's take on the current state of affairs in game. Please feel free to move the post back to Uhall as I will repost it later should it not be. At which time, it should be left where it is as it neither qualifies as a spiel, or a rant. Which is funny because this, as well as most posts that are allowed to stay in Uhall qualify as a Spiel and a lot of times as a rant. Thank you for your time and returning my post to where it belongs as an additional note, I would like to add the following: This is the place for general discussion about Ultima Online gameplay, development issues, and related Ultima Online issues. Please keep posts on topic, and use the U. Hall OT for off-topic posts! As you can see, the original thread was part of a general discussion about gameplay, development issues, AND related issues.