1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

Thats one way to make UO lands LOOK full again

Discussion in 'UHall' started by THP, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    Just open every account active or inactive
    Oh they have done...LOL....

    :pie:Way to go devs....awesome...!!!:pie:
     
  2. Capn Kranky

    Capn Kranky Guest

    yup - whether ya like it or not you may now have neighbors that plunk a plot and do nothing more. Note - I said "may".
     
  3. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    I only hope they have done it on purpose to reset every single house timer [maybe]...including all the bugged ones that have stood forever...then when they close back up every account ever made... the 90 day timer will start on all the unused accounts....and hopefully they will all become unbugged and decay as normal.
     
  4. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    It's not ALL accounts...I tried to log in to my secondary acct and it won't let me....so maybe it's just closed accts that have houses on them?? I don't know..I was hoping to be able to log into my secondary acct because I forgot what chars I had on it and I'd love to find out!

    :(
     
  5. Snakeman

    Snakeman UO Forum Moderator
    Moderator Professional Premium Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    4,961
    Likes Received:
    165
    Nope, Larisa friend just was able to open up & log onto his & it's been off for almost a yr +. No house no nothing. His other account, someone hacked it AFTER he had shut it off & deleted all seven toons. He knew it was after it was Shut off because he tried to log into it the day after it was to run out & he couldn't.....
    Smells of inside job to me on that.... :mad:
     
  6. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    Well now I'm upset! LOL

    Why can't I log onto mine??? :( i know I have 2 houses that I placed during a WBtB event that are STILL there so the hope that these will be fixed is HUGE...I placed a tiny one with the date of placement on the house sign just to see how long it would stayt..they REALLY need to fix that!

    [​IMG]

    But I would love to be able to log onto my secondary acct..I know I ran my player run towns auction from that account, my auction house was on it so I'm dying to find out what I have on there...but not willing to pay the $12.99 just yet as I just spend money to upgrade to SA that I can't use yet!!

    So yeah..Larisa is Emo...gonna dig out my blackrock here pretty soon :/
     
  7. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    u can log into any closed account u own....maybe your password is wrong
     
  8. aarons6

    aarons6 Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    31
    what sucks is i logged into my 2nd old account and im 2 months away from my 2 year vet reward lol.

    maybe it will take them 2 months to fix the website and i can get my rewards :)
     
  9. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    Nope it's not wrong...

    [​IMG]
     
  10. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    well iam expecting lots of new plots springing up...albeit for 90 days....i only hope its in the grand design of fixing al the bugged ones??

    suprized EA did not announce it as another ''come back to brit'' freebie tooo
     
  11. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    very strange....sorry then i do not know why?
     
  12. aarons6

    aarons6 Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,897
    Likes Received:
    31
    thats crazy, i have an account that i havent paid for in over a year and i just got in..

    maybe your account is banned?
     
  13. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    No way would my account be banned...I'm a good girl! I never did anything wrong in my life!

    Well..not on UO anyway ;)

    So that can't be it...*cries*
     
  14. Lorddog

    Lorddog Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2004
    Messages:
    3,115
    Likes Received:
    298
    what happened? where is the news?
    your post suggests that we know what your talking about.

    lorddog
     
  15. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    There is no news.

    Someone obviously tried logging on to an inactive account for lord knows what reason :/ and found that they could log on to it.

    I'm assuming that since they put all accounts on *hold*, payments and everything..that they just turned off the payment system? I'd really like to know what happened...but now it seems that everyone can log onto accounts that are inactive, just like a Welcome Back to Brit promo.

    Well...I can't :/ I think they have it out for me!

    Anyone else having issues logging into inactive accounts or am I the only lucky one?
     
  16. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    no idea what the problem is your side..i know half dozen people that haev just logged into long long closed accounts and looked trough there chars for old stuff etc and some have placed houses for at least 90 days storage...and the fun have having another house for a short time for free i guess...also one as placed housing on other shard so u can play 2 shards or three etc all with housig for a short time....

    its great gift by EA ...cant understand why they didnt tell us about it though.

    and they could easy stop the housing by closing the house server so they must be fine with it.......

    it will make the game look fuller again...
     
  17. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    due to the new data base relocation etc etc u can log into any closed account for free......no news really...its not new..been like it for 2-3 days maybe more
     
  18. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2005
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    1,504


    Dang, even our Shard reporters are starting to sound like Town Criers :sad3:

    lol
     
  19. Woodsman

    Woodsman Guest

    I was able to do it for my trial account I set up earlier this year, and had never paid on.
     
  20. Tina Small

    Tina Small Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran 4H

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    7,527
    Likes Received:
    1,914
    Larisa, when you stopped playing on that account, did you just let the paid time on it run out or did you "close" the account before the paid time was used up? Or could someone else have played on the account after you thought it was suspended and ended up getting the account into some kind of trouble?

    If you actually "closed" the acount before the time ran out, I wonder if that could have set a different kind of "inactive" flag on the account than an account where the game time simply ran out.
     
  21. wanderer1origin

    wanderer1origin Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    48
    Larisa
    just checked a older account of mine, holding a house since welcome back and it opened up fine!!
    expect it will fall now lol!! my guess is they will reset house server after this to catch the ones having houses open for a few years without paying!
     
  22. THP

    THP Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Messages:
    9,914
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    that i hope is the grand plan

    if it aint it should be,,,hire me EA!!!

    Surely if all accounts have become live then when they close again the 90 day timer MUST bcome active on every single house in uo...if they aint used..like many castles/keeps on every shard ...they really should drop after 90 days
     
  23. DevilsOwn

    DevilsOwn Stratics Legend
    Governor Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2003
    Messages:
    8,920
    Likes Received:
    373

    reading that sent chills up my spine


    :eyes:
     
  24. wanderer1origin

    wanderer1origin Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    May 26, 2005
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    48
    house account i checked had a house on it for at least 3yrs with out paying from a welcome back event and guild emissary in a guild long ago was in :)

    expect to see a lot of items poping up from long closed accounts holding "rares" in next few days

    fun times

     
  25. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    I think I just let the time run out on that account and never renewed it?

    It's been so long I don't remember...and since Acct. management is down I can't even check to see if there IS billiing info on it...if there is, it's an old credit card that's been LONG since shut off.

    I HAD a list of all 21 accts I have....with usernames and passwords and dates of creation..trying to find it. I used them to hold buildings for our town....and I know one of them has the 18x18 in Tram by brit crossroads on Origin that's STILL there.

    IF I can find the list before the 11th I'll see if I can log into any of my other accts..if not then I'll have to watch the house in 90 days for any signs of decay.

    I do remember when I was still playing they snuck in things like this without telling anyone so noone had the opportunity to find a work-around.

    I still fondly remember the house fires in Luna...those were fun times :)
     
  26. rieley

    rieley Guest

    Is September the month they do the Welcome back to Brit promo? Maybe EA is setting the 90 day timer now so all houses will fall 30 days after the welcome back program ends. Just a thought.

    If anyone from Atlantic, or other shard even, would like to play Siege during this time I'd love to join you. I have some gold there, no house or items. Was thinking it would be a lot of fun to go with other prodo players, and it sounds as if there are plenty of vendors there for everything needed. PM me if anyone is interested. I don't PVP, just think it would be fun to start from the bottom up again.
     
  27. RawHeadRex

    RawHeadRex Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    12
    i wish i never took a uo break... i miss my grandfathered house.
     
  28. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    6,641
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    Has anyone tried a banned account?

    -Galen's player
     
  29. Kylie Kinslayer

    Kylie Kinslayer Grand Inquisitor
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2005
    Messages:
    4,947
    Likes Received:
    1,504
    Yeah, my son's banned account is still banned lol
     
  30. HD2300

    HD2300 Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,783
    Likes Received:
    10
    It is a good way to boost active players.
     
  31. Sevin0oo0

    Sevin0oo0 Guest

    sure, it'll be here, soon. heard that story before


    but thanks for the links
     
  32. claudia-fjp

    claudia-fjp Lore Master
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,206
    Likes Received:
    517
    I brought it up last Return to Brit and they didn't fix it. Just because we can log in all the accounts doesn't mean they are live and will start the timer in 90 days, it could just be like Return to Brit. HOPEFULLY they will fix it and the housing server will get the enema it's needed for a decade. With their track record on fixing housing I'm not holding my breath and will see it when I believe it.

    In the meanwhile after years of Return to Brit and now this it's getting pretty hard to upgrade houses with people placing free ones that never decay everywhere in many cases just to block other people.
     
  33. Percivalgoh

    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 7, 2010
    Messages:
    672
    Likes Received:
    24
    I wouldn't mind if they made it free to play but charged you rent for housing based on the size of your house. Then if you want to play from your bank box it's no charge but if you have a house you still pay per month average same fee unless you have a castle or huge house them more or a small house then less.
     
  34. Korik Bloodguard

    Korik Bloodguard Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    Messages:
    891
    Likes Received:
    0
    I've logged into about a dozen accounts, some of which have been closed for upwards of 5 years.
     
  35. [​IMG]


    [​IMG]

    so we taken a few precautions to make sure this does not happen.



    *sigh*

    Fortunately ... Failures have no associated Mass component

    Else ...

    We would be well inside the event horizon of the necessary consequence of a Blackhole/Singularity.

    No excuses ...



    indeed

    My children curse thee
    for having to deal with my anger

    :scholar:hourly
     
  36. Lady Storm

    Lady Storm Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2006
    Messages:
    3,747
    Likes Received:
    1,557
    Larisa I have checked all my accounts including the 3 that are never to go on again and all but the 3 are active. The page you get gives you 4 options for reason your account is not on, Info is not on file.... in other words:
    1. you didnt activate the account on a payment plan once your initial 30 day trial.
    2. the game time -which doesnt apply to this.
    3. The account was suspended, though if you say it was not on anytime pryor this too is not valid.
    4. The account was banned, not saying you did anything but it is possible someone hacked your account without your knowlage and got it in deep doodoo.
    Now here is the OR in this last one... you said you placed a house on this account during Back to Brit... someone might have turned it in to the Dev/Mesanna and the account was flagged an there fore in trouble due to error in timer.

    Wish I could help you more hun.


    As for the Turn on of all accounts....

    What better way to encourage old players to try UO again!!! Free time to come back and get hooked in the game and friends. It is a great idea, just wish they would have told the whole world of old UO players so we could get alot more back in game. Was on Sonoma with son, doing spredsheet mantence on characters and friending to homes. Son had one account that on that shard all characters but 1 still had "young" after their name...
    I was plesantly surprised how many wanted to help him thinking he was new. I prased them all in chat and in person for their kind offers and willingness to help a "young" player.

    We all need to look at this as a good thing, ICQ,IM, Facebook,Twitter, anyway you can!! your friends who quit .... invite them back to try, its free... if they played once they might get back into the game... you got to admit we could sure use the players.

    Look at this as a good thing kiddo's.....
     
  37. Violence

    Violence Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 27, 2008
    Messages:
    875
    Likes Received:
    0
    Re:

    :hahaha: :hahaha: Fayled.. OMG.. LOL!!!
     
  38. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    Hey...only Fayled can word things in just the right way!

    And I know I paid for that account for almost the same amount of time as my main account because I ran auctions on that account. I ran it off the same CC as my main acct...and I NEVER gave the info for that acct to anyone.

    Once acct. management is back up im going to do some digging :/

    Also didn't they say WAY back in the day when we asked about all the illegal houses that the server the housing was on was really old and outdated and they were afraid to mess with it too much?

    I have 2 runebooks full of houses owned by Tyrant on Origin that are still there. I know of people that ligitly have 10 houses...I JUST found out of one, 11 houses all made to look like 1..it's pretty cool..but not many people do that.

    Still it would be nice to have the unpaid for ones go away :/
     
  39. Wenchkin

    Wenchkin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,779
    Likes Received:
    434
    Oooh an unexpected return to Britannia then lol.

    Might be a good time to make it official and try to get some of the ex players back in at the same time. It'd be a shame if the opportunity was there and they didn't know about it IMO.

    Wenchy
     
  40. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    AAaaand they just made it offical lol.

    I STILL CAN'T LOG INTO MY ACCOUNT!

    *throws tantrum*
     
  41. Black Sun

    Black Sun Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2003
    Messages:
    5,361
    Likes Received:
    19
    *pats Larisa on the head*
    Don't worry. It will all be ok... eventually.
     
  42. Ox AO

    Ox AO Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2003
    Messages:
    6,428
    Likes Received:
    196
    It isn't a bad idea I think Lord of the Rings they are going to allow some limited free access but if you want more charcters and stuff you pay.
     
  43. Siteswap

    Siteswap Visitor

    Joined:
    May 17, 2009
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    0
    Oh. A sort of free to play option you mean? Has anyone here any ideas on how that might or might not work for UO? :D
     
  44. Sevin0oo0

    Sevin0oo0 Guest

    even if we had the Best ideas, doesn't matter, we don't make the decisions.
    If that question were asked by a Dev, for actual consideration...
     
  45. Spiritless

    Spiritless Seasoned Veteran
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    486
    Likes Received:
    466
    I have a couple of accounts, all of which I can login to. I only receive the message you're getting when attempting to login to a banned account. Tbh, that account is banned.
     
  46. If UO were to go f2p - I'd be back tonight. I love UO - it was my first MMORPG. There are things and especially people I miss (shout out to Spogfrawn), but right now I'm enjoying f2p lotro. Will I ever come back even if UO never goes f2p? Maybe. It was the screenshots of KR that got me interested in coming back last time. I wish EA would pour the time and resources into this grand old game it deserves...
     
  47. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    I also play a f2p game called Jade Dynasty. I love it. When I left UO I played a game called Twelve Sky, then Twelve Sky 2, which were both decent, but all the while looking for a game that came even CLOSE to the depth of UO, and there just isn't anything out there.

    Sure some games have SOME of the aspects that make UO what it is, but nothing will ever ever EVER come close to being as immursive (Spelling fail) as UO.

    Paying $12.99 a month for this? TOTALLY worth it, and I'm glad I am able to play again.

    Bringing new players here? Not easy...what with all the amazing 3D graphics and games out there, but graphics is just PART of what makes a game enjoyable. The *younger* generation is so different, and UO doesn't meet their criteria in many aspects, most people watch YouTube videos of a game before they decide to play..and if I were a teenager looking for a game to play, and watched a video of UO, I wouldn't play...putting myself in that mindset...having watched videos of the 3D games that are out there and then this one..no I wouldn't play...graphically it's seriously lacking in terms of what's *on par* right now.

    It's like growing up with Sesame Street...and then watching it now....I don't like the new Sesame Street cus it's not what I grew up with...but that doesn't mean it's not good or even better.

    Transformers...I grew up watching the cartoon (yeah im a nerd) and I had my Optimus Prime super cool toy...when they came out with the movie I was hesitant to watch it, and I was blown away.

    Kids nowadays NEED that intense mind-blowing in your face graphics that they are used to seeing on a daily basis. So getting new players here is gonna be a challenge, but one that I am confident can be overcome.

    Getting the word out..getting the name out...the 14 day free trial is awesome, let people KNOW about it...the new player guide? WAY outdated...it still says on there you can choose between 2D and 3D.

    Put boxes out for the anniversaries, get some exposure...start doing the townhall meetings again, bring it to the people...UO will prevail, it just wont' be easy, but then again, nothing ever is ;)
     
  48. :bowdown: BlackRock Larissa :love:

    One minor (understatement) quibble dear ...

    'tisn't "those kids" that UO should be marketing towards ...
    it is the "delayed gratification" types ... which can learn and grow and remain as vets IN CHARACTER in Role Play ... Think on it ...

    As for "boxes"? nope ... corner has been turned there ... heading towards more digital download, Less shelf space in brick and mortar buildings ... not a guess ... that's per CEO whatzisname, few months back iirc.
    *sigh*
    >I Like< boxes, I would like at least the Option to gamestore a shipping and handling DvD or flash drive with a complete install of current software ...
    *sucks teeth*
    Tsk!

    Anyways ... town halls? *waffles hand* metso metso ... the fanaddicts, sure, >they'll go<, say "best costume" = "unique swag" and might get some local news pieces done ...
    probably think they're displaced Potter fans ... but ...
    Well ... won't know till they "try" ...
    *Holds finger to wind* mmmmmm ... :scholar: I sense an embarrasing incident of Josh 2.o redemption worth :blushing:


    Bring it to the people? mmmmmm ... no
    I would advise >only after< getting it to run as smooth and seamless
    AS AN OLD GAME >should be< ... and even then
    Marketed as what HAS worked ... as a Role Playing Game
    A deep involved long haul Role playing game with a medieval theme ...

    Let me see now ... Ah!
    Joachim de Posada says, Don't eat the marshmallow yet | Video on TED.com

    :scholar: potential long haul vets ...
     
  49. Larisa

    Larisa Reporting Manager
    Editor Reporter Moderator Professional Wiki Moderator Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend Editor Fallen Lords

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,317
    Likes Received:
    1,911
    Okay...someone needs to send that video to BioWare or EA or Origin or whoever..I bow to that man..thank you Fayled that is so perfect.

    I think that will be my new motto...don't eat the marshmellow yet...

    I agree...in every sense of the words *instant gratification*

    It's how today works though...unfortunatly. ONLINE shopping, ONLINE email, ONLINE pizza delivery....everyone carries their cell phones/iPads/tablets with them...if I can't have it NOW I don't want it..I can't wait!!!!

    Like now how many people are biting their nails waiting for account management to come back online?

    THOSE people...ate the marshmellow...Fayled you have forever changed the way I look at marshmellows! :bowdown:

    So how many of us *Vets* do you think ate the marshmellow?

    I think, like you...a box...I have even though I've not been here since the beginning, I have my 9th anny box, I have my Samuri Empire box...I like tangible...sure quick easy online downloads are great...but gimme a CD!!!! I'll wait for shipping...let that marshmellow sit there for an hour! GIMME MY BOX!

    I think the townhall meetups....the Harry Potter referance made me giggle BUT I didn't see any fellow Sosarians dressed as their charactor at the Chicago meetup I went to..thankfully :coco:

    But would it be so bad to get SOME presence? I agree that our beloved game does need some tweaking...but a mere online presence isn't enough..like I stated before, most people that are searching for a new game to play usually go to the main website of said game and watch a video...and that's not gonna cut it here...even WITH Pinco's UI which is pretty amazing it still falls short of what the marshmellow-eaters are looking for.

    BUT...say they had a chance to SEE someone play...to SEE how..totally emersive the game actually is...wouldn't that help? Bring new players to the game I mean...1 out of 3 ate the marshmellow...we need to target the one's that didn't!

    Marshmellows....who knew...*wishes for a Marshmellow-BlackRock infected*:D
     
  50. kelmo

    kelmo Old and in the way
    Professional Stratics Veteran Alumni Dread Lord

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    17,376
    Likes Received:
    4,689