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The BoD collectors Thread

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Uriah Heep, Jul 21, 2014.

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  1. Uriah Heep

    Uriah Heep Crazed Zealot
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    Went to Luna Bank got my 6 daily bods.

    Number of bods kept: 0

    Tossed 6 on the floor, adding them to someone else's pile that was already there.


    Please Devs, either make them scale to skill, or for God's sake give em some decent turn in value...sheeesh
     
  2. FrejaSP

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    I say, trash the whole system, add the BoD rewards to a crafter quest system much like Traders Quest and Fisherman Quests but without the limits to traveling, 1-6 liners of 10-20 item in each line. Give the quests depending of the quest takers skills.
     
  3. Landicine

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    If given a choice between something like the Heartwood crafter quests and the BOD system, I prefer the BOD system. While a majority of the BODs I get aren't worth doing, at least the ones I do actually fill result in something worthwhile. I feel like the RNG of the Heartwood quests is turning a lot of resources into a tiny pile of mostly junk.
     
  4. R Traveler

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    Current BOD system allow to use resources only for desired reward.
    Only change I want is to remove item count from BOD books. BOD vendors are creating lag.
     
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  5. FrejaSP

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    BoDs do have a storage problem, they take up to many lockdown and they make players use hours sorting bods instead of being a part of the community. I understand you want to know your reward before you start filling it.
    If you use a lot valorite for a quest, the reward should be worth it and useful. In the fishing system, the points for an order effect what reward you will get. It do however drop far to many baits and to few useful items.
    I would believe it's possible to rewarp the BoD system so it get more fun and you not need a castle for your BoDs
     
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    Smithy

    Bribery used to get better rewards. Normal weapon BoDs simply filled by buying weapons from NPC smith. And exc. weapons beyond 5 each kept in book are easy fill from all the waste iron ingots collected getting higher ore types. Or just buy iron from NPC if gold is taking up to much space. Helmets and shields bribed to powder reward level. Extra powder never hurts.

    Tailor

    Bribery used to get better BODs and streamline the cloth to 20exc. Then 2 each is kept in book for larges. Fill extra cloth BODs on spot. There is a weaver selling cloth right there. Bone just not worth filling having to do twice the gathering to fill and no bone recycling, DUH. Bribing footwear up to 20exc never happens without getting to barbed first. Need a better shadow wyrm outdoor spawn area like the fire temple area and add large bone piles to their loot. When gathering it helps when not dealing with other BS and having a Karma loss. There is just no great way to collect barbed and bribery makes it's need greater. Or speed up WW spawn rate a little or put in a herd of nightmare someplace. Have that herd have a very very rare chance to spawn a dread warhorse that carries new title as Nightmare Stallion.

    Rewards

    95% good for turn in points. There needs to be a very rare chance for the bless item deed to lessen the chance for barbed and val kits. There needs to be a deed added as a reward that just changes the artwork (see mempo sucks post). This deed would not alter race, gender, base resist of start item or change title. Rare easter egg chance for any BOD turned in to receive a one charge no fail enhancing tool. Add in all the SE, Elf and Garg gear and the new reward system wont get beaten up overnight by sleeping scripters with a castle full of BODs.

    BODs

    When I turn in a 20x barbed female armor large and get a 10n skullcap BOD back in return I call BS. When a turn in a 10n weapon I just received and get back the same 10n weapon type I call BS ( and this has happened maaannnnyyyyyy times). I would agree that BOD books while locked down in account's own house should have a no limit locks ability (if can't keep up with BODs on home shard for account no need for other shard hoarding)

    Tink / Carp / Fletch "enough said"
     
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  7. Landicine

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    I think part of the massive storage needs of BODs comes from people keeping ones that don't currently give rewards they want (stretched hides, +5 power scrolls, the weird +15 ASH), but players want to hedge their bets in case the system changes. I assume this is why people keep a castle's worth of BODs they are never ever going to do.

    It is possible to do the BOD system casually and with less than an entire house's storage if one is willing to use some judgement on which BODs one keeps. The problem is that the vendor trick has allowed people to simple horde. More BODs, more effort to sort and fill. By trying to maximize rewards, people have once again minimized their own fun.

    I personally dislike the Heartwood quests since I need to haul a huge pile of wood to Heartwood, craft there, use the quest highlighting system that I don't like as much as the BOD interface, and then sort through a pile of bags that contain an odd assortment of stuff (including parrots!). I would rather not see a system I sometimes enjoy replaced with a system I dislike.
     
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  8. FrejaSP

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    I do like the BoD interface, but I would like to get rid of the part of filling small BoD and then add them to large BoDs. Make the large BoDs you can add all 2-6 kind of items without filling small BoDs first.
    This way, you can sell or trash the ones you don't want to fill.
    My biggest problem with BoDs are the pain of finding the small BoDs to fill the large ones. When I did fishing quests, I could do several quests at the same time, but only storage problem was the fish and the baits and even a little fisher hut can handle that. I get headache every time I try to do BoDs, that's not fun at all.
     
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    I agree; it's the large BODs needing the small BODs to fill it that has created a large part of the problem. If the larges were changed to where they could be filled directly - like a upper tier fishing quest - then that eliminates the need to hang on to so many BODs and fixes the storage problem.
     
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  10. Lady Storm

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    The system would be fine if it had a set of levels of bods given...
    I would not expect a 120 smith to be given a dagger bod...
    But nor would I expect them to be handed a val bod every other time to bat for ods ether.
    There can be a happy medium if worked out on a charcaters skill level.
    I have noticed on one of my crafters he rarely gets a low level bod in tailoring... he is not gm yet and it seems he gets nothing but leather bods.. Perhaps ther is a skill check in place but it is not so defined as we would like.
     
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    Allow BODs to be turned in for clean-up points and that would clear up a lot of storage...
     
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    The problem would be solved if we can have a better bod book, like the SOT one , which automatically sort them.
    That would solve almost all the problems, cause you can trash all the bods you dont want , dont waste time sorting , it take 1 storage, etc....
     
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    Personally, I would want any crafting system to be NOT SCRIPTABLE.

    That the Heartwood Quests or BODs collecting can be scripted, it hurts my game play as I feel it devalues my time spent doing Heartwood Quests or collecting BODs as I cannot compete with a script that does Quests a go-go or collects BODs through a multitude of characters in large numbers....

    Since a scripter can work with large numbers and I cannot, a scripter in the end can more easily have access to the end prizes making them cheaper to them as compared to what it takes to me to get them.

    Bottom line is, because of scripters, I better spend my time in the game doing else and just buy at a cheaper value of what it would take me to get them, the Heartwood Quests prizes and BODs prizes....

    But this, hurts my game play because it makes chunks of the game not worth playing for me not because I do not want to play those areas of the game, but because scripters made it not efficient or worth it for me to play those parts of the game without using scripts ....
     
  14. Uriah Heep

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    Scripters we will have with us always
     
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    Why not keep the current BOD system and insert a new level with new rewards? Maybe even keep the same lower level rewards (shovels, cloth, etc.) and have the higher levels offer dyes, that 100% tool, and such. Personally I enjoy doing BOD's casually, although my collection is far from the hoarders out there...as a matter of fact, it's not even large enough to warrant sticking them on vendors to save space. But on I spend my time on Siege mining, filling BODS for shovels, mining, filling BODS for shovels...Got my first natural Valorite hammer the other night, no buying, no bribing, just the RNG and a lot of bods.
    It does offer lower level and newer crafters a very good sense of accomplishment filling them (at least some, I cant speak for all). Doing away with it completely would be a mistake IMO. Much like doing away with lower level spawn because there are players who are geared to beyond uber proportions. Build and expand. A new/better storage for BODS would be much more preferable.
     
  16. Theo_GL

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    This is an awful thread by a bunch of non-Bod collectors.

    The fact that you threw out 6 bods of ANY kind means you don't understand the system.

    If they were low level bods - you fill and turn in to get new bods.
    If they were combinable bods you bribe them up to something useful. Nearly every bod has a use now.

    Normal bods you can actually fill with NPC bought items - so if you get a 20 NM Dagger bod you buy 20 daggers from the NPC - combine and turn in for a new bod.

    If you are a lazy player then yes - you are right, throw the bods on the ground and hope for a bod lottery hit.

    In regards to scripting - anything in the game can be scripted. Anything. The Heartwood quests are some of the most scripted of all and a complete and utter fail.

    The biggest 'add' to scripting on the bod side was the turn in a bod get a bod deal. You can then gather a bunch of smalls (do this with any character with .1 skill that gets very easy bods every hour) and then script away completing them. Then script a player turning them in for more bods. Rinse and repeat until you have books filled with armor combinables.

    I gave you the way to fix bods in another thread :

    1 - Make all bods 15 quantity - solves the sheer number you need to collect by 66%.
    2 - Get rid of fill a bod get a bod.
    3 - When you turn in bods you get reward points that you can choose to spend on items. The rarer bods and larges give more points. Then EVERY single bod has a value.
    4 - Get rid of bribing or if you must keep it - get rid of the number of bribes limit and the astronomical way the prices go up.
    5 - Bod books work like SOT books. 500 bods. 1 lockdown.

    As it is - only about 20% of the bods are worth doing and the rest you either fill and recycle or you bribe up to something useful. I don't think there is a single Ring large bod that is worth doing.
     
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    BoD collectors, that's the keyword. BoDs should not be collected and fill large houses and lots of vendors.

    Collect them, fill them and turn them in. Now the system with Large BoDs, that need Amall BoDs make that's a pain and that the reason so many of us are non-Bod collectors and the system need a changes

    I much better like to get rid of Large BoDs, make BoDs 1-6 tiers, and the 10, 15, 20 quantity of each tier would be fine

    Why, that works fine, just like with other quests, you need to turn one in to be able to get a new one.

    No thanks, the rewards works fine, maybe a few need to be changed, but that's all.

    Bribes are fine as it is, it allow you a little control to changes the BoD to something useful for you

    The lockdown count is fine, just let me remove and add BoDs when in Secure or locked down.

    The blacksmith tools could need a little love, far to many tools, could need something new and a few new rare drop, that will be random cross all kind of BoDs
     
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    Collecting ............. its a double edge blade that I think you are stuck on.
    We have to collect them. ITs the only way to get the rewards we sell.
    Tailors are hard to make the spined, horned, barbed kits, clothing blessed deeds, and any of the deco we can get.
    Smiths have a hell of a time with hammers over bronze.. the val can be so hellish to get the bods for.
    PoF's, yes they are sorta being pegioned out but still sell well and show me someone who will pass up the use of one before they reforge or imbue...
    IT is collecting bods we do but the payoff is the rewards we work to make.
    Without those collections of bods all seem to want gone how would you get a PoF? or a hammer ? Bless Deed?
    Yes you can stand there and tell me toss out the ones that dont make it and poof no collection... well kiddo it dont add up that way.
    The odds of you getting the right bods is scalled up so high that to just wait til you get one to fit in you will be at the vendors for years collecting your 3 till the cows come home.
    The dev made it hard to get them for a reason, to keep them in demand and that is the point.
    If you got parts for a val hammer every week in no time ther would be tons of val hammers and the market of uo would be fubared.
    I'd love to get a few more val bods dont get me wrong... did I mention that they are scarce as hens teeth?
     
  19. FrejaSP

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    If bods are changes to 1-6 tiers of 10-20 items, you still have the bribes to try to changes it to something you want and you can still turn in some crappy ones to try to get some better. Sure you and a few more may hate this changes but a lot would love them.
    You may sell less rewards but more smiths and tailors will do bods, so there would be enough of the rewards for sale.

    Also you may close most of your accounts and start play the game. Will that hurt EA, I doubt it, because more smiths and tailors will enjoy the game and stay with us.

    As it is now, most players give up doing bods, that's a shame.
     
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    This thread is going around in circles, and getting more heated at each turn
    I've checked the 'thread readers' link at the top and seen that Kyronix has read it, so I feel that we can dampen down this fire with a lock.
    And since Lady Storm likes my pictorial locks, here are the ones I feel fits this thread.

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