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The Great Name Debate....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by DVDA, May 11, 2011.

  1. DVDA

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    So while on Team Speak I realized people pronounce towns differently. So it got me wondering whats the correct pronouncation of the towns of UO?

    Obvious Moonglow, Britiana are easy but what about

    Jhelom, Nujel'm, Skara Brae, Ocllo etc.

    How does everyone else pronounce the "hard named" towns?
     
  2. Podolak

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    Jhelom: je (like the french for I) lome (like a sewing lome)

    Nujel'm: Neje (not sure what to compare it too, like nege stressing the g sound lum (like lump without the p sound)

    Skara Brae: Scare (like something frightening) a Bray (like Fray)

    Ocllo: O (like you'd say an O) clo (like clover)
     
  3. FishinFool

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    Jhelom - jay-lum
    Nujel'm - new-juh-lem
    Skara - Skarah-Bray
    Ocllo - Ok-low
     
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    i like this thread! i always laugh at my friend for pronouncing town names different than i do. but i don't know who's right (of course I assume I am, but i don't really know).
    He pronounces Malas like the beginning on molassas (but with an A instead of an O, like malassas) with the accent on the last half of the name. I pronounce it like malice with the accent on the first half of the name. like Alice.
    and what about ter mur? does it rhyme with "tare fur", with the accent on fur?
     
  5. DVDA

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    Feel free to add other towns guys...

    Trinsic?

    Malas (Ma-las...Mal-ass lol)
     
  6. Sweety

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    Ocllo- O - see - low
    Jhelom- Ja - el - um
    Nujel'm- New - ja - el - um
    Trinsic- Trin - sick
    New Haven- New Hay - ven
    Delucia- Del - loo - sha
    Papua- Pap - you - a
     
  7. LoL/Sonoma

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    Note - all "ah" are a sound like "ahhhhh" when content.

    Ocllo- ahk-low (probably same as FishinFool ... but not sure if he meant a hard "O")
    Jhelom- th-lam (like the llam of llama)
    Nujel'm- newj-elm (with a french sounds "je" where the j is)
    Trinsic- trins-ick
    Delucia- del-oo-sha (oo like food)
    Papua- pop-oo-ah (oo like food)
    Malas - mal-ahs
    Hythloth - hith-loth
    Skara Brae - skahrah-bray

    Fun stuff =)

    Also ... dont mind my Moonglow accent. ;)
     
  8. Hunters' Moon

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    Jhelom= Jail um

    Papua= Pop yew'a

    Delucia= Dale usha
     
  9. DVDA

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    Too Funny
     
  10. Ashlynn_L

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    Well here's how I pronounce them, though probably not correct:

    Ocllo: Ock-low
    Jhelom: Je-(like the french word)-lomm
    Nujel'm: Nuh-jelm (with the j like the french je)
    Trinsic: Trin-zick
    Delucia: Deh-loo-sha
    Papua: Pah-poo-ah
    Malas: Mah-lass
    Hythloth: Hith-loth
    Skara Brae: Skar-rah Bray (it's a real place btw)
     
  11. LoL/Sonoma

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    See? Ashlynn has a Moonglow accent as well!

    Hers may be the high-born accent though, where mine is obviously low-born!
     
  12. Flutter

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    Warning: Do not listen to how Podolak pronounces ANYTHING. Sometimes he randomly adds a foreign accent to normal English words.
     
  13. DVDA

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    I believed Podolak until i got to Skara Brae
     
  14. 5% Luck

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    Skara brea Sa-crha-blue "like OMG in pirate speak" or scar-a bay around folk that dont poke me about it
    Je-hell-ome
    new Je-hell-ome
    fell-eww-sa A lot of fell-eww-Ca around
    Delucia De--leew-sa alot of Del-eew-ca
    ree-gent Ive heard a lot of re-A-gents on vent
    trin-sic like intrinsic but not the most important part but everything is most important
    O-sell-o ocllo
    Near-a for the champ heard it spoke Ny-Ra
    Hy-loth or Hith-loth depending
    Covetous this is said like the sin to covet not cove-toe-us

    Im sure theres more....
     
  15. Poo

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    i say all mine perfectlly.
     
  16. Jhym

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    Jhelom: Jell-Om
    Nujel'm: New-Jell-Om
    Skara Brae: Skah-ra-bray
    Ocllo: Ok-Low
    Delucia: Del-oo-chee-ah
    Malas: Mah-los
    Felucca: Fe-lu-cha or Fe-lu-sha depending on my mood
    Hythloth: Hīth-loth
    Papua: Pah-poo-Ah
    Magincia: Mah-Gin-See-Ah
    Minoc: Min-Ok


    :danceb:
     
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    I have always completely disregarded the first TH in Hythloth.... it is "Hi-Loth" or I end up with my tongue upside down
     
  18. Luvmylace

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    lol Minoc
    My-knock or min ahk
     
  19. Shinobi

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    Britain: Brit-en
    Minoc: Min-ock
    Trinsic: Trin-zick
    Jhelom: Jeh-lome
    Skara Brae: Skaruh-Bray ("Ska" as in "skat")
    Magincia: Muh-jin-shuh (I thought it was spelt Magicinia for like 7 years, which I pronounced Muh-ji-shin-yuh)
    Nujhelm: New-jelm
    Papua: Puh-paw
    Ocllo: Ock-low
    Sosaria: Suh-sair-ee-uh
    Britannia: Bri-tan-yuh
     
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    Malas-The Captain of Serenity and his behind.

    Skara Brae-Leftover mark from a healed wound, a common pause in speech, sound a donkey makes.

    Delucia-Computer company, sound you make when you see something shiny, shu...t the front door.

    Papua-What a kid in an old western calls his dad, something everyone does, a common pause in speech.

    Reagent-What you do in Hollywood when you keep getting rolls in films like Gigli, Battlefield Earth, All About Steve, etc.
     
  21. Lindae

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    *snicker*

    I pronounce Brae as "Bree"; it's a Latinate pronunciation, but Latin pronunciations were all over the place in ye olde English. (But my name is Linn-Day and I will fight you if you imply otherwise.)

    Papua is Pap-Wa. (As in New Guinea.)

    Umbra is Oom-Bra, not Uhm-Bra.

    Lenmir (as in Lenmir Anfinmotas) is Len-Mere, and yes, I have reasons to use it in everyday speech.

    Jhelom is Jeh-Lom. The -h means that it isn't pronounced the French way.

    </coolstorybro>

    BUT THE BIG QUESTIONS ARE...

    1) Is it TOCK-oo-no (that's how I say it, because it's easier to say "Tokunese" then) or toh-KOO-no?

    2) Is it Fel-oosh-ah or Fel-ook-ah?

    3) Is it Mess-Ah-Na or The-Dev-Il?
     
  22. Hell's Ironworks

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    tokuno / toke uno

    jhelhom / jell - um

    ocllo / ock low

    yew / you

    vesper / vess purr

    magincia / mah gin cya

    skara brae / scah rah bray

    papua / papoo ah
     
  23. Mongbat137

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    Just as an aside, I believe that the U is silent in this case. It's just "toke no". Similarly, that spiky club weapon is just a "tets bo" not a "tet soo bo".
     
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    Since it's Japanese based, it's

    To - ku - no (toe - koo - noh)

    Just as my forum name name is Ba-sa-ra (Bah-sah-rah) not Bas-arr-ah or Ba-sar-a (or, (shudder), Ba-sarah).

    very few syllable/phonemes in spoken Japanese (and the syllabic written versions) have more than one consonant sound. The only ones I can think of with more than one consonant with my limited knowledge from my geekdom are ones that end with "en", such as "ken" ("fist"- which is why there are so many martial artists in games and manga named this, as a punnish name), "zen", "sen" (like in the name of the disaster ravaged city Sendai), etc..

    When trying to represent western words in Japanese, it can look like someone is getting paid by the syllable. For example, "Spartacus" becomes "Su-pa-ra-ta-cu-su", by one method. Similar results (or occasional dropping of letters to lower the number of syllables) have made what should be obvious words borrowed from English or French almost unrecognizable (especially when someone tries to translate that mangling BACK to a western language). After all, a famous anime example is the Gundam character Sha Aznable (also called Char Aznable), who was named for European singer Charles Aznavour.

    So the Tokuno Islands are (Jima being "Island")
    Isamu (E-sah-mu - note that this is also the name of the protagonist of Macross Plus)
    Makoto (Mah ko toe - anime note; Sailor Jupiter's civilian name in the original version of Sailor Moon)
    Homare (Hoe-mah-rey)
    with the city of Zento being fairly obvious (Zen-toe)



    Papua is a bit confused by people because they try to pronounce it as a variation of "Padua" (I've come to wiv-ed wealthily in Padua... :dunce:) when it meant to be the same as Papua New Guinea (pa-poo-ah)

    Personally, I pronounce Felucca "Hell". I've also made the analogy that the Tram/Fel split was sort of a fantasy "Rapture", with the sinners left behind in their "Hell on (Earth/)Fel". I wonder if that crossed their mind when they did it.
     
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    Jhelom = Jel-om

    Nujel'm = new-jelm

    Delucia = del-oo-see-a or del-oo-shee-a (-cia can be pronounced either way)

    Trinsic = trin-sik (there is no 'z' sound)

    Ocllo = ahk-lo (the 'c' is a hard 'c' It must be hard because there are no e,i,or y vowels behind it.

    Felucca = fel-oo-ka (never did two c's make the sound of an sh. In English, the rule for pronouncing CC is "k" unless it is followed by an 'i' or an 'e', then is is pronounced as a 'ks'.)
     
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    Jhelom: JEL-ohm
    Nujel'm: NEW-jelm
    Skara Brae: SKAR-ah-brey
    Ocllo: OSS-low
    Delucia: deh-LEW-cia
    Malas: MAL-ass
    Felucca: fel-LEW-kah
    Hythloth: HIETH-loth
    Papua: pah-POW
    Magincia: mah-GIN-see-ah
    Minoc: MINE-och
    Tokuno: TOW-koon-oh
    Reagent: ree-ay-gent
     
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    Syrus:

    Pah-Pow might be correct if it was spelled "Papau" like many people commonly misspell it,

    but it's not spelled that way. It's spelled Papua.




    dealing with that mis-spelling and mispronunciation is like dealing with the 4+ pronunciations of "Louisville".
     
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    Louisville: LEWY-vuhl. :p
     
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    Jhelom: Juh-lom (lom rhymes with Tom)
    Magincia: Mah-gin-see-uh (mah rhymes with yeah)
    Nu'Jelm: New-gel-umm
    Skara Brae: Scare-uh Bray (bray rhymes with day)
    Ocollo: Ock-low
    Delucia: Dell-you-sha
    Papua: Pah-poo-uh
    Trinsic: Trin-sick
     
  30. LoL/Sonoma

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    LEWY-ville =P
     
  31. Mook Chessy

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    I had a guildmate years ago, great guy buy he would say lick instead of lich.

    Drove me nutz...lol
     
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    I always used to think Papua was "pah-pow", since that's the way I apparently remember Papua New Guinea being pronounced.
    But apparently it's more like "Papwa".

    In spite of all that, I will continue to pronounce it "Pa-pu-wa"
     
  33. Bet he was English! ITS LOCH NOT LOCK!! :thumbsup:

    House = Hoos
    Brown = broon :loser:
     
  34. Cailleach

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    Lol, there's a few I have to bite my tongue on when I hear folks pronounce them. Hythloth is one. I guess it's down to regional stuff. Unless it is a real place, like Skara Brae. The other one folks seem to have trouble with is Cu Sidhe - it's pronounced coo shee. It's a creature of celtic myth. Cu is the gaelic for dog, sidhe is the gaelic word referring to supernatural beings/faeries (note the spelling) etc. So your big tough mutt in game is actually a faery dog. Just sayin :p
     
  35. Hell's Ironworks

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    Ah well thats probably because english isint my primary tongue.

    I probably read the unknown / unusual words with an accent .
     
  36. LoL/Sonoma

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    Don't worry about it. We Americans cannot even agree on the pronunciations of our own states/cities/lakes/etc/etc.

    I recall a huge debate last college football season about how to pronounce Boise ... ugh. ;)
     
  37. Hell's Ironworks

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    Dont know that word but id say either :

    Boyze ( boys )

    or if its derived from french : Boo ah zzz
     
  38. LoL/Sonoma

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    The locals say "Boy-cee" ... i think they are crazy. It is obviously Boy-Z

    ;)
     
  39. Hell's Ironworks

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    So whats a boise anyway?
     
  40. 5% Luck

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    Funny after reading all these I realize Ive been saying Magic-ina all this time and it is most definitely ma-gence-see-a.

    I still like magic-ina though has a nice ring
     
  41. Hell's Ironworks

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    Sounds like something from an info-mercial lol :p

    ¨If you call us now, we will send you TWO magic-inas for the price of ONE !!!¨
     
  42. 5% Luck

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    When the Magincia invasions were 1st happening my brother and i would run around at work saying but but "MAGIC-INA" hurry up! Our customers must have thought us nutzz
     
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    I am so bookmarking this page. I want to shove an icepick in my ear everytime I get on Vent.
     
  45. MalagAste

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    This thread totally cracks me up!

    I'm always being corrected for the way I pronounce some things but it never stops me.

    I laugh because there are still many in Vent who call Runes "Roo N's" Like Moons, not Ruins..... It's NOT a Ru IN any more than Magery is Maaj er ee.... it's call Mage er ee..... not Maajery..... Are you a Mage or a Maaj? Gooses and Geeses...

    ugh.....
     
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    What a breath of fresh air this thread is, I'm lovin' it!!!
     
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    Pretty much exactly the same as me. But Skara Brae is more like scar-bar.
     
  48. MalagAste

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    See if I can do this but honestly some of you would make me want to freak out in Vent:​
    Jhelom: JEL-oh-m​
    Nujel'm: NEW-jel-em​
    Skara Brae: SKAR-ah-bray​
    Ocllo: Awk-low​
    Delucia: deh-LEW-cia​
    Malas: MAL-ass​
    Felucca: fel-LEW-kah​
    Hythloth: HITH-loth​
    Papua: pah-POO-ah​
    Magincia: mah-GIN-see-ah​
    Minoc: MINE-ah-k​
    Tokuno: TOW-koon-oh​
    Reagent: ree-ay-gent​
    Rune: ROO-n Like Boone or Loon or Tune Not Roo-in Like ruin​
    Magery: May-Jer-ee Jer like Jerk​


    The one I mispronounce that drives everyone bonkers in Vent is:​

    Tithe: Tith (like With) And I'm told it's Tie-th But I've never been able to do that one right. I still Tith...​
     
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    "Tithe" definitely uses the long I. Since I was young I've heard the passage in Malachi about "tithes and offerings."

    Old habits die hard. I always liked "jeh-lōm´" better, but from a pronunciation standpoint, "jeh´-lōm" makes sense when considering what Nujel'm must sound like.
     
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    Jhelom: (j-hell-um)​
    Nujel'm: (new-gel-um)​
    Skara Brae: (sa-kra bray) I may have an outside influence on this one. I played a txt based game for years and a race choice was the S'kra Brae​
    Ocllo: (O-Chello)​
    Delucia: (Da-lusha)​
    Malas: (Mal(as in mallot)-as)​
    Felucca: (Felucka) for the longest time called it Fel-oosha​
    Hythloth: (hith-loth)​
    Papua: (pa-poo) figured I'd have a silent a for some reason.​
    Magincia: (mag(soft g)-en-see-a)​
    Minoc: (My-nok)​
    Tokuno: (tow-koo-no)​
    Reagent: (regent) once again the silent a​
    Rune: (roon) like moon with an r​
    Magery: (may-ger-ee)​