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The KR Client In PvP

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mortharr/Revenge, May 24, 2008.

  1. How the hell am i ment to catch someone who is running the KR client?

    They run faster than someone with a good computer and who is using speedhack
     
  2. Lug

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    Just follow the person as long as you can, they will eventually crash. Then it's a easy kill.
     
  3. odd phrasing ...
     
  4. Dermott of LS

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    KR doesn't crash for me in every day situations, only time it's crashed recently was in the middle of the second night of the Dark Moonglow event.

    I guess you couldlways install and use KR yourself :D
     
  5. mr.blackmage

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    alternatively, they could make the two clients the same speed (hopefully by increasing the 2d clients... It moves sluggishly), and fix speedhacking (or just actually ban people for it).

    From what I understand, the kr client is beyond useless for pvping on a mage.
     
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    Soo a speedhacker complains that he can't outrun someone in a crappy buggy client ?(Not my words)

    Thats about one of the must funny things i read in a while! ;)
     
  7. Alrich

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    i find it better for mages due to hotbar hotkeys

    tamers, now there is a different story, since no easy way to setup bandage pet macros you have to target everything =/
     
  8. Kiminality

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    Some time back, I compared the speeds of the clients. Not exhaustively, but enough to say with some certainty that, in and of themselves, the 2D and KR clients run at basically the same speed.
    I believe, also, there was a comparison done as a part of a disagreement between Prince Caspian and Coppelia.

    The differences lie with the performance of the client, which is pretty poor, in the case of the 2D client, on modern hardware.

    Something to consider here...
    2D speedhacker runs faster than 2D legit.
    KR runs faster than 2D speedhacker.
    KR shown to run at a comparable speed to 2D legit.
    So:
    If KR is faster than a 2D speedhacker, and a 2D speedhacker is faster than a legit 2D player.
    Then the difference in speed between 2D and KR would be phenomenal.
    But, it's not.
    Where does the error lie?
    Or, perhaps more to the point, where doesn't the error lie?
     
  9. Farsight

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    I haven't run across many obvious speedhackers in the past, but from the few I have run up against, I've noticed that the speedhack does not speed someone up. Rather, it slows down other people in the area.

    So given my limited experience with the cheat, I ask the following question:

    Does the KR client have a different method of determining position and movement than the 2d client? If so, bravo! If not, then I would have to call bull on the KR speed issue.
     
  10. Mister E.

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    I retract my comment. My apologies for any confusion.
     
  11. Petra Fyde

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    I think that's a case of mistaken identity, Mortharr (note the R in the middle) is a Europa player and while I don't claim to know all his characters, I don't recall having read of him having one called Goose.
     
  12. Sneaky

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    Yep, its funny ay. Everyone is ALWAYS crying about speed hacking. They also (on this forum in particular) cry at length about how 'bad,' 'inferior' and 'laggy' KR is (which is just wrong). Claims of 'speed hacking' have spiked ever since KR was patched about 2 months after its release.

    Quite funny, the client many U.Hallers would have you believe always crashes, laggs, <enter KR is crap statement here>, could actually be the 'speed hack' they are complaining about in other threads. Not that speed hacks don't exist mind you and it may well be a real one.

    *waits for people to start complaining that 'KR is to good' LOL*
     
  13. Coppelia

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    I reran a test.
    KR and 2D clients have the same speed. The only difference is when riding, your computer limitations can make KR go slightly slower in some areas.
    Another thing to mention is that on KR client, you automatically dodge the trees, while on 2D client you dodge the trees only if your on a diagonal move (NE, SE, SW, NW). That may give the feeling KR goes faster.
     
  14. mr.blackmage

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    We are talking for PvP here. What would you ever need a hotbar key for as a mage? Not having target self/last would be the biggest issue, but I hear the targeting is supremely messed up as well.
     
  15. lol im not using speedhack, im saying they run faster than someone using speedhack
     
  16. Mark Trail

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    I went to Twisted Weald in KR. I was very excited to be able to RUN again in the desert! But then on second test, it was a speed-hack type run. KR let me run just a little bit, then I froze up until some kind of speed limit caught up with me, then I could run again. Timed with a stopwatch over the same course, both 2D and KR had the same movement speed in the slow desert.

    So there's a clue. KR DOES let you move faster than the old client, but only if you can hack past the server side speed limit.
     
  17. meridus

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    KR does have a target self.
     
  18. mr.blackmage

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    on the mousewheel. And I hear bad things about how the targeting works.
     
  19. Dermott of LS

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    KR does have a target self.

    Works great too.
     
  20. lucitus

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    The baddest problem i have with kr are the crashes in PvP in Champareas, in normal gameplay running around the world crashes are very rare, but doing or raiding a champ is bad, because kr crashes very often. I have tried it on diffrent machines with different hadware but the error is still the same:

    Produkt
    Ultima Online: Kingdom Reborn

    Problem
    Funktioniert nicht mehr

    Datum
    21.05.2008 03:12

    Status
    Bericht gesendet

    Problemsignatur
    Problemereignisame: APPCRASH
    Anwendungsname: uokr.exe
    Anwendungsversion: 2.52.0.4
    Anwendungszeitstempel: 4810aa5d
    Fehlermodulname: uokr.exe
    Fehlermodulversion: 2.52.0.4
    Fehlermodulzeitstempel: 4810aa5d
    Ausnahmecode: c0000005
    Ausnahmeoffset: 00409a59
    Betriebsystemversion: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.3
    Gebietsschema-ID: 1031
    Zusatzinformation 1: fd00
    Zusatzinformation 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
    Zusatzinformation 3: fd00
    Zusatzinformation 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160

    Weitere Informationen ├╝ber das Problem
    Bucket-ID: 751160564

    sry for German, my computer is running a german Windows version. I play only KR since Beta and this Crashbug comes in with the speedincrease patch for 2 - 3 months. Before i got no crashes but the performance was very bad on my machines.

    I have tested it on:
    AMD x2 4200+
    4 GB Ram
    HD 2900XT
    Both Vista x64 and Xp x86

    and

    Intel Quad 6600
    4 GB Ram
    HD 2900XT
    Vista x64

    I must say on the newer machine it would crash less often at champs then on the older machine but the error is the same.
     
  21. meridus

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    No target self is not on the mousewheel. See this link for a great macro guide, put together by MissE.

    http://www.uoguide.com/KR_Macros
     
  22. Gildar

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    KR runs more smoothly in some situations than 2D (such as when there is lots of non-mobile dynamic content).
    2D runs more smoothly in some situations than KR (such as when there is lots of animated content, especially things like spells).
    KR runs at the same speed as 2D in most situations.
    KR and 2D both have their speeds capped the same way on the server (theoretically - nothing visible to players that I am aware of has shown any real reason to believe otherwise).
    KR has the advantage in a chase through a congested area that neither side knows like the back of their hand due to automatically running around some blocking terrain.

    I'd pull in numbers, areas tested, and players who did the testing if we still had the posts from the old forums to reference.
     
  23. I have raced against many 2d clients around Luna and KR is fastest.

    Also, has anyone mentioned that in PvP, KR is best for equipment swapping? There is no need to undress anything in KR. Simply hit the hotkey for whatever suit you wish to wear. This alone saves time in PvP.
     
  24. Sneaky

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    Yep, you can swap suits on the run with a single macro if needed.