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The Last Three Virtues...When UO?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Sir Scott, Jul 19, 2010.

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Should a UO developer Stop what he is doing now and finish the Virtues?

  1. Yes it is been too long.

    76.7%
  2. No i want them to continue working on new stuff.

    13.3%
  3. What are virtues i never heard of it.

    4.4%
  4. I Know of them But refuse or never used them ever.

    5.6%
  1. Lord Sir Scott

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    I wonder When will the last the Virtues Will Be completed?
    It has been many many years we have waited...
    I just feel that some one should finish these now...

    I wonder what other people think about this as well, After all the Virtues Help us all in one way or another. And Besides it is a part of UO that is sorta Sloppy and screams at he disorginize Crews of the past...





    Thank you for reading and responding to this message.
     
  2. Martyna Zmuir

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    This will happen the day after never.

    Its been what, 8+ years since they touched the Virtue abilities? :thumbdown:
     
  3. Taylor

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    Been waaaaay too long.
     
  4. Evlar

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    Have as much chance of that as I have of playing for Barcelona! :(
     
  5. GarthGrey

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    The Devs that remember the Virtues are long gone.
     
  6. Yen Sid

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    Well it would be nice to have them finished but I certainly don't want everything else to be dropped just for them to get done.

    You missed that option in the poll...
     
  7. Tazar

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    Not really - Mesanna and Phoenix will both remember that era I think.
     
  8. Viper09

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    My thoughts exactly.

    Want it to be be finished, but they aren't exactly extremely important to the point of dropping everything to do it. At least not after how long it has been already.
     
  9. Dermott of LS

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    Finish? Personally, I'd rather they strip the current system out and rework a new complete system that utilizes the game resources better... the quest system, the shrines, the dungeons, etc.
     
  10. The_Traveler

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    We're lucky the virtues in place are still there.

    I believe the virtue system is so far down the priority list you need a bungee cord to get down to it and back.
     
  11. MalagAste

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    Personally I think they need to rework a WHOLE bunch of stuff including old quests and update them to work like the new quests...

    Then they need to finish making crap stackable that isn't... such as powercrystals, why are these not stackable, all the new SA stuff that falls that should stack ought to... the goo you get from fire ants for instance..... should stack.... the ancient pottery fragments should stack..... and don't tell me that you can't have them stack to use in a quest because honey stacks.....

    Then they need to update T-maps, MIBs, old dungeons, Monster loot, Monster AI on old monsters......

    Then they need to put some stuff back.... Moonstones, the old crystal balls from liches....

    they need to figure out a way to get the bounty system back...

    And a way to bring PvP to Tram like adding arenas...

    Fix Griefing, train some REAL GM's.... who know wth they are doing.... add more security features to accounts....

    And finally.... start really cracking down on the cheaters using 3rd party programs.
     
  12. Zooithion

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    this
     
  13. Tom_Builder

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    I vote stop everything and do this.

    Tom
     
  14. GalenKnighthawke

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    The Virtue system is likely to never be completed.

    We need to accept that.

    Honestly I'm ok with it, given that any new system they event is likely to be exploited such that griefers will be running around with some Virtue type title over their head. Showing up at RP things trying to get people to bow to them and saying RPers are pompous for not going along.

    Oh; someone recently suggested Virtue titles be allowed as an option along with, I think, skill titles in the paper doll?

    I, for one, like that. It could be "tracked" in a similar way to how fame titles are tracked, couldn't it?

    -Galen's player
     
  15. RawHeadRex

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    working up virtue points and maintaining the bright colors takes a lot of work, I have a difficult time focusing on more than three at a time.
     
  16. Demonous

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    should have been done years ago, and by years i mean 5+
     
  17. I said yes. This is a very creative element of the game that ties very well with the history of UO. It needs to be finished....

    ...unless that dev is currently working on a classic shard. :-D
     
  18. Lord Sir Scott

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    Well its been allmost a year that i posted this so i will post someting....

    Please can we finish this?
     
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    One thing I find odd is the sacrifice virtue makes no sense. The foregoing of fame should have been the humility virtue not sacrifice.

    UO and the world over would be a better place if people had a better understanding and practiced the 8 virtues.

    UO in a way (with the disappearance of Lord British and the original cast of characters along + the absence of the the 8 virtues) has lost some of it's luster.

    British and Company along with the 8 Virtues is a large part of what made UO so great and so unique.

    After the graphic arts upgrades I would like to see nothing more than UO get back to some of it's roots and lore.
     
  20. unified

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    I can assure you that Mesanna remembers, and that she's thinking about the virtue system. :thumbup1:
     
  21. Farsight

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    It won't be worked on again... my guess is ever.

    If it does, I hope they take the whole system back to nothing and rebuild it entirely, especially sacrifice and compassion.
     
  22. Petra Fyde

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    Malagaste: Tmaps and Mibs have been updated already, they're quite nice now actually.

    General reply:
    I think the devs at the time were somewhat discouraged by how players 'adapted' their idea of how the virtues should work. They certainly didn't anticipate that Blues would get justice by camping Chaos shrine when reds who died were automatically transported there. Nor did they expect people to repeatedly kill a friendly red by agreement. If you can suggest an implementation of the remaining virtues that won't be twisted into the newest grief tactic I'm sure they'd be interested to hear it.
     
  23. Adol

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    Yes it should be completed, so those of us who remember part of the joy of Ultima being the Quest of the Avatar, and not just a means by which money moves around... so we can play in that way once more.

    But they should also be tweaked, or at least Justice needs addressing; paying a red to let you kill them over and over again isn't Justice, nor is it Just to be just another mechanism through which an unpopular playstyle is kept alive. Leave it as it is maybe for those who already use it that way, but expand Justice so bringing NPC Pirates back to Floating Emporium also raises it for the PvMers. You are, after all, "bringing them to Justice" already...

    And yes, either move Sacrifice to Humility, which it closer matches, or implement a way to be truly humble by striving to help NPCs for no other reward than raising that virtue.

    And then implement the remaining virtues.
     
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    Perhaps they are preparing us for the introduction of the 9th virtue, Patience.
     
  25. Sevin0oo0

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    I think it is. Dev's idea of forcing a play style (forcing pvp), backfired, quite visibly too; justice to what dev's did. I'm sure many, as soon as they read the requirements, said " guess I won't be doing That one" so how popular is that for the majority of blue players? it's not. They divided the game into 2 separate ones(pvp/pvm) long ago, they need to stop trying to mix them back - like oil and water, they Don't mix. Stop the insanity, stop the 'balance'.
     
  26. grig_since98

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    It would be great to have a finished virtue system, but i agree that it shouldn't be something easily gamed into meaninglessnes.

    One difficulty is philosophical in nature, namely, the difficulty in rendering some of these concepts down to something that can be quantified and tallied by a computer. How does one count spirituality. I suppose they could simply give spirituality points for gain in any of the other virtues. Personally i would like an honesty title, being a mage, but how would you implement honesty without making it highly gameable?
     
  27. BBWolf

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    Hi, well from what i understand they plan to redo all the virtues.
    And also add in Anti-virtues that are opposite to the Original eight so that PvPers or Murderers will benefit from them.

    i like how the virtues look right now and hope they would complete them somehow or some way. But i don't know about giving virtues to murderers....

    what do you think??
     
  28. DeathNote

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    They still haven't finished the virtues?

    Amazing, how long have we waited now?
     
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    Re: The F-Words of MMORPGs: Fairness

    If WoW and Rift can't eliminate cheaters, how on earth do you expect a tiny game like UO to do it.

    Do you sound this obnoxious in RL too?
     
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    Re: The F-Words of MMORPGs: Fairness

    So no antivirus, no firewall, no browser, no skype, no mumble, no uoam/uoc, no UOA, etc. etc. ?

    Are you even realizing how silly you sound? You're more harmful to the UO Community and the game than a dozen cheaters.
     
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    Virtues Booster Pack. That's what I'd like to see. Where all players benefit in some way from this as well, but the ones that pay, get a whole new system of gameplay involving the virtues.
     
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    All I can say is: it's about time!
     
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    I voted no, but what I meant was that I wanted them to finish the Pub 71 combat changes... and then they should look at the Virtues. I don't want them to stop mid-publish prep. They are on to something with the combat changes and need to finish the job.
     
  34. icm420

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    Virtues are meaningless to a red so no I see no reason to do them. I must say that it's pretty dumb they even have them available since they don't work.. what is the purpose? I assume I will be collecting my social security check by the time UO ever fixes them..
     
  35. GalenKnighthawke

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    Were this Publish 16 I could easily argue that there was no reason to make reds teleport to the Chaos Shrine upon death.

    After all, I do not play a red, so clearly it's meaningless to to code an extra destination for a dungeon death since it wouldn't work (by which, of course, I mean wouldn't work for me). .. what is the purpose?

    The differences are of course that I, and no one else I saw, made this argument in Publish 16, but you made this argument now.

    Oh, and the fact that there's way fewer reds than blues. So such an argument would have been more valid for more players than this being argued now.

    Fortunately, though, no one made that argument at the time.

    -Galen's player
     
  36. ress me plz

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    I Know of them But refuse or never used them ever.
     
  37. Zoeydamnies

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    I sent them an e-mail about a month and a half ago with the preliminary design for all 3 remaining virtues. They should have it done in about a year.

    ZO
     
  38. Woodsman

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    I long for the days when it wasn't like "if they do this, then they have to stop doing that" and they had enough people to do a lot more in parallel.
     
  39. GalenKnighthawke

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    Long gone....Long gone.

    Of course even when it wasn't long gone, the Virtue system wasn't finished.

    So clearly it's not being finished is not, entirely, the product of not having enough people.

    -Galen's player
     
  40. Triberius

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    I didn't vote because well there wasn't an option for me.

    While I realize that the Virtues are long over due, I also feel that they need to take a break from shoving "content" down our throats and focus on real problems with UO. Lack of content isn't a problem, UO has tons of content, it's just a matter of if people wish to engage in it or not.

    What I would rather they focus on is.

    1. Updating the EC to something that will actually attract new players - the updated 2D graphics they've passed out with SA and KR aren't the answer.
    2. In act a means to actively combat cheating - Yes this won't stop cheating but it can be reduced.
    3. Work on Stabilizing the game economy, and possibly deflating it. I've seen numerous posts in threads on this topic with my ideas as have many others, maybe they should be looked at and seriously considered.
    4. Work on re-tooling some of the game systems that give to much advantage to veteran players. - For a player who starts to day to have the same "functionality" as a veteran player it takes 4 years. I can play a level and grind game and in weeks to a couple of months hit the level cap and be on par with any other player in the game, with the exception of experience through application.


    Nothing right now is more important than finding a way to halt the "Not as slow as people think" exodus of players, and I say not as slow as people think because it's pretty much assumed we're sitting between 60-70k subs. That's a 70% decline from 2003 or around a 10% a year average loss in subs if you exclude this unfinished year of 2011. And in addition to that implementing a means to make UO a modern MMO again so that it will actually draw people to more than offset those that are leaving so the game can actually grow again.

    I can't think of anything else we as players, who wish to see UO around for another 10 years, should be asking for or demanding of the Dev team and more importantly of EA to provide resources to the Devs to implement. If UO is to it's current average rate of loss of subs that means in about 3 to 3 1/2 years there won't be anyone left except a tiny handful of loyalists.
     
  41. Wow... really?

    Finish the virtues ... der whuat?
    Yeah, I been saying the same thing ... but ... no more

    they were "finished" ... huh?
    The archives say so ... back in Ultima VI
    The Book of Virtues:
    by Joshua Rowan

    What makes the Ultima Universe unique to any other game on the market today? Easy - It's(a) philosophy of ethics that it instills in the people that play it. In no other virtual world will you find the need to decide between justly taking a thief into custody or compassionately letting him go so that he can bring stolen bread to his starving children. And in no other place will you feel compelled to fight for or struggle against the principles that these virtues represent. Ultima Online will be not just a game now, but a living world full of cultural and philosophical differences for you to struggle with. With that in mind, we present you with a breakdown of the Principles and Virtues of Ultima.


    :scholar: *TSK!*

    Yeah yeah ... you want some >game mechanic< "finished"
    something "simple" that you can click on to gain an advantage against some mob/opponent ...

    "Virtuous" behavior ... indeed ... :lol:

    Just saying ... >I< see no evidence of a philosophy of Ethics
    having been instilled INTO & Played by the persons of Ultima Online ...

    The Virtue of Honesty has been described thusly:
    “Honesty is scrupulous respect for truth - the willingness never to deceive oneself or another”
    *ahem*

    UO is a virtual World of >Pretend<
    It "came online" busted and incomplete

    Burma Shave mon frairs :danceb:

    I am Your: Fayled Dhreams
    Fiat Justia :scholar: Ruat Caelum