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The LEGENDARY faction players ( new ideas for pvp )

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kiss Of Death, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. Kiss Of Death

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    Here are a couple of ideas for pvp, after suggesting event items as rewards at champs, after suggesting champion on water and revamp of bounty system...here is the new idea for faction fights:

    Since Faction bases are empty again, cuz there is no meaning at the end to defend the sigil , it's actually a very boring system , without a point tbh, let's revamp it!!!! :

    1) Every week ( announced on the faction stones) there will be one major faction siege at each base , ( it means 4 mini events per week just for factions !!) , the factioner who gets more kills during the siege ( it will last no more then 2 hours, made with a timer during shard prime time ) will have the possibility to get a new title instead of the faction rank (for ex " The one who saved Britain" for a TB ... " The one who slayed all the innocents " for a SL....) and the commanding lord of the faction will have the option to place a statue of the player who got more kills right near the Faction Hq entrance.

    The statue and the title will last for a month , then they will disappear. The title will be visible also when you go to Trammel.


    2) create a bet system for faction sieges...commanding lords can donate gold or items making the faction siege more interesting...they will have also an option where they can expand a timer for the duration of the assault to the HQ of the faction.

    ( for ex commanding lord donates one Ari replica , 30 milions... timer set at 1 hour , so they will have to defend the hq for a hour, if they lose the HQ , the items will pop randomly inside other faction players located in the enemy's HQ)

    3) the intention is the make Faction bases an interactive place for pvpers, where they can create their mini events. With simple systems , commanding lords can create fast mini events to make very funny pvp events ( could be even capture the flag etc ) .

    Give interactivity to faction pvp inside the bases.

    Beautiful was the first revamp of faction, but now it's just missing a bit of salt in the bases! at the moment they're useless.

    Regards
    Pker since 97
     
  2. Good ideas, but lets be honest Factions will never be as fun as they used to be. As ive stated in other posts, factions are on a very slippery slope and i personally dont ever see a way factions are ever gona be fun anymore, :blushing:
     
  3. Cloak&Dagger

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    Why? Well I guess you sort of answer it in your post. But there has to be something you think would be fun to do for factions, there can not be "nothing" else the game it would no longer be fun for you =\. I guess that could be an opinion but it seems that would be the case to me anyway :p
     
  4. CatLord

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    ... because most pvpers cheat and exploit like maniacs.

    Hum, currently they are busy scripting ToT... making it possible to chain Despise for powerscrolls... how sad is that?
     
  5. Anakena

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    Good direction, but won't work.

    In order to work, a faction system requires a given number of active players. Under that number, the disadvantages (skill loss, boring sigil guarding,...) are greater than the advantages (war horse, faction artifacts,...). A lot of shards, oncer very active in faction, do not reach this minimal number of active players.

    I also want to add that the recent changes (faction artifacts), have attracted in Factions the reds from many champ raiding guilds. They just keep doing the same things and are only in faction for the artifacts and the war horses.

    Even in opposite factions they keep working together and healing eachother. They will attack blues on sight, even if they are from the same faction
    ==> They do not fight for their faction. The player's mentality has changed since a long time (since AOS?) : it is all about winning at all cost and no longer about being respected.
     
  6. Cloak&Dagger

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    O.K. this I can agree with, but if that was addressed/fixed what would be the argument then? Obviously things are not right as they are, My question was really "How would you fix it?"
     
  7. CatLord

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    winning at all cost... with a goal... profit.

    the destruction of the ps market, the general awareness brought to all newcomers so they know how to get faction items without exposing themselves to those players, the fall of the 1 million gold per $ (down from $34 to 0,25$)...

    the siege on play for profit players in underway... and the devs are on the right track.
     
  8. Kaleb

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    I can tell you not all do in fact only a small % does unless your on a under populated shard. And you cant class just pvpers into that, being that the most profitable scripts are based around PVM and Crafting! Trammies mostly the ones that Use faction arties and never in their wildest dreams ever think about PvPing those people are Exploiting a system!! and there are more of those than PvP cheaters!!
     
  9. CatLord

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    Step ONE:

    Destroy the PS economy.

    - powerscrolls on trammel.
    - harrowers on trammel.
    (same subsystem used at peerless, locking acess to those areas for the duration of the hunt)


    Step TWO:

    Make Factions fun and enjoyable.

    (keep in mind everyone will try to subvert/exploit this system)
    - Keep stat loss.

    - have the EMs roleplay the four faction leaders and set daily/weekly/monthly goals... achieving those=silver reward and anything else the EM can think of...

    Reason behind this... factions is warfare... warfare has short/mid and long term goals... each faction has a leader... it is time to bring them forward and set things in motion...
    Like killing nystul and getting his book, same could be done versus others npcs... some good, some evil...

    Right now Factions lacks the war feeling... it makes little sense.




    My point...

    Destroy the profit behind pvp... then you will see and find out who play uo and pvps for fun and enjoyment.
    Then bring PURPOSE to factions... have Casca (if he is with SL) rally all of the SL... bring the other Faction Leaders... and lets ROCK UO!
     
  10. CatLord

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    Yup, but they dont kill anyone that tries to do a spawn, nor monopolize the markets...
    They do it for their own selfish reasons... not profit.

    and... they dont speedhack or script pvp... they just play UO.
     
  11. CatLord

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    and mostly done by veterans and other players looking for fast gains...
     
  12. Cloak&Dagger

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    Don't care much about point one (if they are in fel or tram does not matter to me, of course keeping them in fel does promote a bit more pvping but again this point just does not matter to me I can live either way)

    As for the rest of your post, I like it. In fact it may be better than the OP's ideas haha. This is a good start tho, and would be nice if it was listened too, I would participate in such events, don't know about everyone else but sounds good to me.
     
  13. Lynk

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    I run a very small guild, we field 4 at the most. On my shard that's enough to raid and push the opponents off of the champ, but not enough to hold a defense and kill the champ.

    We have all been playing a long time, our characters are finished and if we have the need for scrolls we just buy them.

    All we want is non-grinder PvP, and Factions is providing that.

    Could factions be better? Ya, I suppose it could. Definitely some things that need to be worked out, but overall I am very satisfied with factions and my guild is having a lot of fun.
     
  14. Kaleb

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    Hahhaha mentioned by the devs... never!! want powerscrolls learn to defend a spawn and work together as a team just like I had to and 100's of others had to do. it is one of the funnest things in game atm even after 6+years!!!! If someone dosnt have what it takes to do the above then of course im going to charge them 15m for a 120 magery!!

    All they have to do is allow factions to fight in any land mass. Prevent trammies from further exploiting the faction system.



    There is more profit scripting PVM and crafting then there is in PVP.
     
  15. Cloak&Dagger

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    I do not feel this would increase faction participation tho (it would get rid of the "no pvp" people, but it would not really help in increasing faction participation.)
     
  16. CatLord

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    Unless we teach them how to get any kind of scrolls...

    which we are doing since spawning started back in the day.
    We held several events giving hundred of 105s.
    (folk would buy those but they stopped after our events)
    Then some months later we gave 110s...
    and now we're tutoring folk about getting their own 120s and stat scrolls.
    (a slow process but worth it... the ps market is slowly declining to its demise...)

    someone should check if Ilsh and Tokuno spawns are dropping sots ranging from 0,5 to 1,0...

    Back to Factions... making it active on all landmass would make the players that are currently using those items... stop using them... and drop factions.
    Except for a few that dont actively read the boards and would get killed once before learning the rules changed...

    Sounds like the faction players arent happy they cant control every facet of it... too bad.
     
  17. Cloak&Dagger

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    I am still 90% sure you can not get .6-1.0 SoTs anywhere except fel.
     
  18. CatLord

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    Thank you... I got a weird message in Alliance saying a member got a 1,0 sot... just double checking.
     
  19. CatLord

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    Back to the point...

    Once and if cheating is fixed... there will be a reason to pvp.

    I have seen alot during my almost 12 years of UO... on a positive note, the last years have been a blast and the current Developers and Chrissay are a Shinning Force...

    I believe we're on the right track...

    - Dread Camels invading Luna.
    - a new Island raising...

    and great EMs plus SA on the Horizon.


    UO ROCKS!
     
  20. Kaleb

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    You must be wealthy to be able fly all over the world and check out what every PvPer is running on their machine, Heaven forbid they have the money to buy a cpu and internet connection better than yours!!~!!

    From what i see on pacific anyhow is there is 1-2 pvp guild(s) who use cheats and hacks and they get no respect at all. Scripting in PVP will get you killed faster then not knowing your macros in most cases. Most PvPers know how to set up their macros for UOA and use that, it may seem like they are scripting but they are not. You see PvPer's are the only real community on servers most know each other most post on their shards player run pvp forums everyone knows who cheats and who doesn't. You cant throw all pvpers into the cheating slot just because they took a spawn from you or killed you.
     
  21. Cloak&Dagger

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    I believe cheating being fixed hinges on how well people take to the SA client. No matter what all the old players here like to think, the current 2d client is the problem when it comes to cheating. Of course they could just fix the client (I am still baffled why they didn't just do this, or why not do it instead of introducing another new client but meh they are in charge). Either way after some 12 odd years I have learned to roll with the changes, so no matter what comes next I am ready to meet it, and will continue to do everything the game has to offer till they close it (or I run out of money, at this rate the later may happen first)
     
  22. Cloak&Dagger

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    But cheating in pvp impacts other players way more than cheating in any other aspect of the game. If you come against a pvper who is cheating you can tell the difference and instantly it has affected you. I guess you could argue that other cheating affects you by having an impact on the economy, but then I guess the people who chain champs have the same affect on the economy. If people didn't raise the prices of items the impact would never be felt, greed fuels that.
     
  23. Kaleb

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    thats untrue a pvper will always use the best gear they can thats why most of the pvpers on pacific are indeed in factions or have a spur faction guild connected to their main guild. as long as a pvp guild are in factions others will follow to be able to compete, if fighting was able to happen in all areas most pvpers would be overjoyed The trammies would quit and stop exploiting the system so us players that PVP and are doing faction activities can get rank alot easier. It would be no different than chaos/order back in the day.
     
  24. The_Dude_

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    Factions active on all landmass's is what needs to happen. All these ppl using them in trammel are the I want it now give me give me, but i dont want to earn it. They have there friends join a diff faction kill them get there arties and never step foot in fel again. Those people arent factions so getting rid of them would do nothing but help factions. Honoring should be taken out of the game. There should be no point mules.

    As someone stated factions are about warfare not some trammy sitting in carebear land using faction arties. THey arent factions and have no business being factions.


    The scrolls in trammel will never happen. I dunno why you ppl continue to ***** and cry like omg they have the markey they cheat omg. There is cheating in every aspect of the game the reason ppl dont mind trammy cheating is because all it does is flood the market and lower prices. If the trammy guilds which have some of the biggest numbers could pull there heads out of there asses and learn to defend they would do just fine. They dont because its not easy it takes time and it changes all the time. Its not all kill and heal or curse weapon and hit. Its strategy.

    As for the cheating and thats why ppl dont pvp blame that on the pathetic job ea has done for this game. With their embarassing stance on cheating all they have done is make it worse. Noone gets in trouble for cheating they just flat out dont care. They keep giving out new shinies and people are satisfied.
    Whatever you do dont stand still and work a skill a gm will show up instead skip around and have a program do it for u they never show up for that...
     
  25. CatLord

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    Nah, I usually join their guilds... listen to their vent, visit their websites and their scripting page... it is faster than using an airplane.
     
  26. I dont know if the player base is as high as it was but the way i remember factions was this, we all set a night in the week where we would set up a defence and be there defending for 10+ hours with atleast 15 people on each side defending/raiding! I dont know how you could get that back, it seemed alot defending for 10 hours but it was good for one night a week :thumbsup:
     
  27. CatLord

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    Verified:
    21 accounts banned during the last 6 days of ToT.
    18 ... 72h.
    3 perma banned.

    I got icq message from its owners crying about it.

    You can still apply to our Shadow tournament...

    http://www.uoforums.com/general-discussion-gri/61431-tot-shadow-event.html


    The GMs are around...

    Have a Safe and Attended hunting...
     
  28. CatLord

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    If you set it to two weekly battles... one during the week, one during the weekend... everyone should be pleased.
     
  29. Cloak&Dagger

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    I think the system Catlord presented would possibly help to accomplish what you want.

    Of course if you can not do this on any particular server you could pick a slightly different one, just for the once a week battle. One with a higher population or one with more people interested in such an event? Or something like that? I do not know either, But I do think the ideas that people have could provoke such a change in the community (or whats left of it anyway)
     
  30. Yea i agree, most of the TB on Great Lakes are dedicated factioners and always have been, its just trying to get a group together that would be into setting up a defence, i mean raiding a faction base is probably the best fun this game can offer :thumbsup:
     
  31. CatLord

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    Hum, the TB factioners serve Casca, the King?
     
  32. They should :p
     
  33. CatLord

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    Yes, I'm sorry but it would be... there was alot of Honor in the field back then.

    No Offense.
     
  34. CatLord

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    So if Casca owns the leadership of TB and it seems he is a servant of the ShadowLords... (insert the Faction leaders here and all their real and hidden goals and you will have the heck of a WAR)
     
  35. red sky

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    You make it sound like some doomsday scenario lol. Let's face it, if OSI places a system in the game for an infinite amount of time then the prices of the items are going to decrease. And gold, well, there's no telling what has happened with gold in UO with all the random exploits. I still remember that vendor bug that allowed players to get like billion gold checks and stuff.
     
  36. Cloak&Dagger

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    His intent was not a doomsday scenario but to lower the market value of everything so players no longer played for profit but instead to enjoy the game. (maybe I am wrong about that tho, just the way I have been reading the thread and discussing it)
     
  37. GL_Seller

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    Wow damn 3 perma banned jesus I am mistaken then...To bad ea cares less about pvp guess if all the trammies started pvping maybe they would start banning...

    Try this go train 2 pets in luna while u watch them see how long it takes for a gm to say hi. Then go to yew or despise and page on the people jumping around the screen. See how long they are allowed to do it. Here's a hint dont hold your breath...
     
  38. GarthGrey

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    Have you guys ever seen that little cartoon, it may have ran in Playboy (yes some of us read them for the articles)...anyway, it's a tiny cartoon of 2 old men sitting in a Trophy Room, in front of a fireplace. There are hundreds of mounted heads all over the walls...the conversation caption from one of the men reads..." I remember a time when there were plenty of animals around to hunt".....the point is, there are really only 2 of you in this thread that are talking back and forth, and neither of your realize that you BOTH are what is wrong with Factions right now...
     
  39. CatLord

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    I rather see us like... Statler and Waldorf.
     
  40. CatLord

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    Exactly... and reduce the gap between veterans and newcomers... so everyone can enjoy UO.

    Hey someone understood me!!! This is new! :thumbsup:
     
  41. CatLord

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    Update:
    Spoke with an EM about the general ideas we discussed here... it seems doable.
     
  42. Kiss Of Death

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    let's not say stupid and heretic things please, powerscrolls stay in Felucca and will always be in Felucca , if you want to take scrolls you must come to felucca and get them . Very simple.


    Felucca ---> game as it 's meant to be, difficult level ( you cannot pass through monsters , you can get killed by other players)

    Trammel ---> play Uo as easy level ( pass through and cannot be killed )

    Farming replica in trammel is very easy, farming them at felucca is very hard. If a trammie want to make gold he just has to farm replicas in tram spawns and sell them at luna. A poor pker has just to sell scrolls.


    Anyway everything you posted here its not topic related, I have been talking about faction changes and add ons to pvp and you talk about Uo with milk and biscuits.

    Let's not say ****** things. Pls.
     
  43. Cloak&Dagger

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    Everything posted was related to factions. I have no idea what you are even talking about in this post. I do not find fel any harder than tram, more exciting maybe.

    poor pkers have nothing but scrolls to sell? Never mind the fact that for years power scrolls dominate the fair market value of everything else, you could say they still do.

    The point of removing power scrolls from fel is very simplistic in this thread and has everything to do with factions. The people who are in factions to help farm those power scrolls would soon be lost as they no longer have the domination over the market as they use to, that would mean people who are in factions join for the mentioned faction events in the same post.

    Being in a large dominating guild for scrolls does not make you a pvper, also does not make you a factioneer. In fact I would be willing to bet half of all the people who currently do this would never bother to go to fel for scrolls and just do it in tram, they are not there for the fight (yes I am sure everyone on these boards will disagree and claim they are, but you all obviously belong to the other half of the player base in fel) Factions would be empty, fel would be empty, and then we would see if faction events would bring people to pvp.
     
  44. CatLord

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    Check Mate.


    You want to be Statler or Waldorf?

    (*Muppets OST*)
     
  45. Flutter

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    Certain people (not all) are quite hypocritical when it comes to this topic. When they are in a guild/alliance that dominates the shard and controls the spawns and runs the spawn cams not a peep can be heard regarding silly things like powerscrolls in Trammel....
    Once the posters said guild/alliance no longer controls the market all of a sudden they want "equality for all!" and powerscroll distribution on all facets so that no one can control the market.
    Quite amusing for those of us who know the truth.
    Gotta love a hypocrit trying to come off as a hero.
     
  46. CatLord

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    Power to the People...

    To set the record straight...
    - I never controlled a shard or sold one powerscroll.
    - The gm and co-gm of the alliance that did that are in your guild.
    - My crew banned the stealth cams someone placed.


    What was the word you used?
     
  47. Cloak&Dagger

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    I was trying to figure out who they were talking about, surely could not have been me...So assuming it is you :p, altho I do not think they are to hypocritical since they are not voicing that it is good or bad thing to control the power scrolls just saying other people in here have done that and now that they cant they want it in all facets?

    You want to be Statler or Waldorf? I will let you decide :p
     
  48. CatLord

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    I want to be the Bald one!

    [​IMG]

    (doing Tokuno)



    Hum... Are we the...

    LEGENDARY FACTION PLAYERS?
     
  49. Cloak&Dagger

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    O.K. tho I do not know which one is which :p. And I guess we are?

    Crap Died again, >.< need to stop posting while playing lol
     
  50. Goldberg-Chessy

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    IMO factions suck today and have always sucked.

    When they were first introduced they were only popular for awhile because they were new & the losers that played 24/7 and were able to stay up ALL night had something supposedly worthwhile to do for a change.

    But don't take my word for it. The proof is in the fact that the big revamp was only to fix a couple minor issues that should have been addressed years ago & introduce more ridiculously overpowered items that most pvpers feel they have to have just to play in Felucca. Unfortunately it now seems that everyone still thinks faction sucks but nobody wants to give up the silly uber gear lol. Too funny.

    All that is left are people pining and whining for the supposed 'good old days' of faction glory while at the same time running around in uber faction gear NOT doing anything faction related.

    I am now going to join the masses though and ***** about something I miss: Chaos/Order. I want to be able to fight random oranges ANYWHERE ingame without the ridiculous penalty of statloss & the silly, mass produced uber gear.

    Factions most certainly does not promote teamwork. It promotes pathetic ganking. Nothing more sad then supposed faction allies whining over who got the kill shot for the points.

    Peace :)