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The NEW senerio of Invasion....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lady Storm, Oct 17, 2013.

  1. Lady Storm

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    Ok we are facing a new season of untold horrors and hunting for the holidays...
    Now I know the Dev love to make us squirm and scream in horrored delight with the new batch of mobs to kill and be killed by... but.... I have to say this years a bit much.

    Yes there are players who need a harder challenge and for the most part this seasons delivery is up to that in a big way. But did you have to make it so hard the average joe cant?

    Yes most of the big mouthed players who adore the harder then hell mobs are in 7th heaven devising how to kick tail and walk off with the goodies... many of the not so well off murder minded folks are sitting back and saying "Welp I guess I go play something else till its over"
    For Example:
    My son's Yanaki is no slouch and is better then the average killer, He went to look at this new invasion. Before he could say hey mom he got in 1 swipe killed. That's a hard thing to do to his yanaki... now you say well he was not set up right...wrong his hps and suit and all is top notch (it cost enough to make and buy)
    Yes it was in Fel... I know ok did he try tram? Yup.
    Same thing.. whats worse is the yellow unattackable Captain mob leader can and will go after you! How fair is that? Now besides that the escalation of power needed to do the most recient senerio's has gotten out of hand.

    UO is not a basis power game for those who crave blood and gore... But of late its been feeling a lot like it.
    How about a few dulled down so the rest of us can have a chance to get a goodie then the power hungry who seem to be running this.
    Before the kids and adults who are not into the high power death setups do go play something else and forget to come back like so many other times...........
    Perhaps make some of this into a egg hunt of sorts too... or quests.
     
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    In the patch note tread, it is stated that there are 10 different npc playstyle - all with different strong and weak sides. This to fit the invasion to most templates. He/you/me - and all the others just have to figure out what of the captians we can manage to kill with what template.

    I tested it on tc, and my myst/mage got owned by some and kept well on others.
     
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  3. Smoot

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    If i cant go in and whirlwind with a sampire with 80dci, 18damage eater, 55ssi, and kill every single thing around me... (as much as i would like to) its probably a Good thing.
    The halloween content was horribly easy. the butchers died in about 5 seconds.
    I dont pvp much anymore, but Love creating specific pvm templates and suits.

    Try different templates.

    My point is, the gear is Crazy now. PVPer or not, there are a brazillion options for suits, and as many mods. Try a few different templates, maybe make use of the new stats and refinements like 75ish dci or 30 elemental eater. (yes tamers can have survivability suits too and use pots and mage weapons if need be)

    Or just use Feint maybe.
     
  4. Faeryl

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    My tamer can easily solo the fencers and swordsmen (taking a fair amount of time), and seems to be able to handle the archers, bards and mystics well enough (if I'm careful), but there is no way you'll see me willingly attempt to solo the rogues, macers, mages or necromancers (and likely the other I'm missing)...

    Really, I like that not everything is super easy and soloable. Find what you can take on with relative ease, and stick to those, or gather a group. It might be a fun sort of hunt for a guild. *shrugs*
     
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    Faeryl have you tried fighting them discorded?
     
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    I haven't. I'm a mage/tamer. No barding skills unfortunately.
     
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    My regular dexxer (Not a sampire or anything special) has soloed the Wizards, Assassin's, archers, necromancers
     
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    This really doesn't feel that new to me. The quest/event creatures are pretty much always designed for group play. Even so, I bet it's not really nearly as bad as you suggest. Just don't fight the captains, or obviously don't try to solo them if they are too much. Stick to the spawn, and the beacons to get points when you can't group.

    Also, the Halloween stuff was not that tough at all... so.
     
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    We are already planning this invasion and defending the town as a weekly event (Alternating between Friday's and Saturday's) on Drachenfels. And we know many can do and try much alone, We (The governors) feel like we need to help the Citizens (Players) Who don't have that many time or have trouble fighting it alone.
    So we going to try on Drachenfels to give everyone a chance to get the items.
     
  10. Lady Storm

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    This is all well and good for some shards that the idea for gathering friends and not so friends and have a go at them.... Some shards are not so.... well .. populated.
    I had not see the patch notes or any of the notes period on the mobs as you have mentioned the 3 mobs tried must have been the top tier of the fighting skills table.
    As I said my son's character is no push over... but had his tush handed to him almost instantly apon finding where a invasion party was... And sense when does a Yellow named creature have the rights to attack you but you not attack it?

    Ok I stand corrected they did mix if the notes are correct...

    I guess I am just not hip on the power race in armor and weapons and such... remember I started this game with a dagger that had trouble killing a mongbat...
    these days you need a nuke and a asbestos suit with 70s across the board...enhanced to the teeth and oh yes skills that are at best a math genious's dream to figure out
     
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    the casters kick my butt (especially the bard) but i expected that because i took off majic resist in favor of higher damage. they are pretty hard tho. almost have to get perfection in (for a sampire at least, might be ok if your using bandages becuse wont need the high damage for heals)
    I think AI is still better than feint, but im still going to try out a daisho.
    I can see where a high dci suit (around 65 im thinking) would be very beneficial. i might make one.
    make sure to have 50 hla on your weapons.
     
  12. G.v.P

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    So I have a question...where the heck does it spawn at Yew? I see the trade-in NPC, don't see any spawn...
     
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    I have to ask this, were the heck is the Invasion on PACIFIC, or am i just to much absent lately...i didnt see any Invasion yet in any town...err...
     
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    As far as I'm aware, it's still only on Origin and Izumo. :p
     
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    lol
    GRRRR!
     
  16. Herman

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    I would not do anything on this invasion without a character that can do armour ignore

    far to high resist on these and you can not discord them
    probably looking at 1,5-2 hours for a gd to take out a fencer and then i do not know how much they start healing when they get low hp (I dont hate myself that much to even try)
     
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    Sure, a Greater Dragon alone would take a long time, but if you're a mage, cast offensive spells as well. I can typically drop a fencer solo in about 30 minutes. I actually haven't seen them heal that much at low health either.
     
  18. G.v.P

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    Supposed to be at Fel Yew Origin right now but I'll be damned if I can find anything but the invulnerable lighthouse...which looks cool, at least...
     
  19. Herman

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    It was only an example of what resist they have i would not even bother play these with any tamer

    Reason it is pontless wasting any mana on a pet that does no dmg at all
     
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    Casting spells works but you get the "sucked in" attack. Kinda BS you can't discord them as well.

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    hmmm.... maybe the answer is that there is a way to weaken them.... like blackrock weakens the dark whisps...
     
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    your son is a rare's dealer so he cant get new drops easy awwh if was easier he would be complain too many available cant gouge others for gold

    he should sell rares suit up !!!!!!!!




     
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    I hear this all the time but I really don't see what math someone needs to do beyond simple addition. And hardly even that, as your stat gump adds it all up for you.

    I run a fairly crappy suit, not even all 70's same stats on all armor, maxxed out on no stat, no bushido, and I have little issue fighting anything.

    If I do... I find some other people to help, or find something else to do. And can't blame low population since I play on the lowest population shard there is and it's not that hard to find a group, especially during an event. All you need do is call out on gen chat.
     
  24. G.v.P

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    I wonder if Siege really has less people than Origin. I did see three when I logged onto Origin earlier, so I know there are at least four players there.
     
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    I haven't seen many people on test except the first invasion was unleashed

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    Not sure. Siege has actually seemed pretty active recently actually.
     
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    Yikes. Finally found an active spawn at Trinsic Tram, Origin. Mystic does 20 damage a hit melee against all 70s suit in addition to spell damage. Whatever the archer was called does a deadly poison shot and hits like a truck. I whittled the Mystic down a little on my no frills dexxer, but damn. Guess I'll just have to figure it out somehow on a mage...only way I can see doing this solo would be to use two accounts lol.
     
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    How long does it take you? Guess I'll have to go back with armor ignore wep.
     
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    Cant wait this hits my shard to test it out
    *prepares his Tamer's and GD's on 3 accounts*
    :p
     
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    I'm not sure what the issue is. Any invasion I have seen all the way back to the Britain invasion the 'power level' of the invaders were higher than most player's characters. Now, as back then, some will solo and others will group up. Suit power levels are not as important as some make it out to be. Figure out the strategy and all 70's resist suits will be a bit redundant.
     
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    I haven't had a lot of time this week, but I did take my warrior, the Petra Fyde I take my forum name from, copied to test center. She has swords, tactics, heal, anat, parry, bushido and some chiv,
    I found a group of spiders with a yellow name in their midst.
    He was an 'assassin'. I found he could hit me, but I couldn't hit him - but he didn't have a ranged attack.
    So I played 'round and round the shop' with him. Go round fast enough to come up behind his now spread out entourage and smack the stragglers with whirlwind (radiant scimitar) till he caught up with me, then back round the other way and same again till they were all done. Now he's red and I can smack him.
    I did that the old fashioned way, I jousted him, smack as I passed him, turn and come back. I used a hatchet. Both weapons were crafted and imbued by my chars. Took a while, but I won.

    This thing is doable, if you think about what you're doing and pick your targets.
     
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    For me the issue is that i realy hate when the devs put this high resist on monsters and dont give us the chance to discord them

    when they do that they draw a line can u armour ignore or can you not
     
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    You just need to find out what tactics it takes to fight and kill them. You don't need an uber suit or template. It takes some thinking and skill of knowing your char and what each can do by their own strengths and weaknesses.

    Just to ask to make them easier would be well....boring after a couple hours. After 16 years you should have uber suits on most of your chars and know how to play them any way.
     
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    Seems like a Greater Dragon solves the problem for most of the bosses. I could see a well suited Sampire dominating a Mystic boss. The rest seem very hard, and I'm not sure a mage could really solo anything other than the minions. Even so, the Reptalons are a little too powerful...55 damage firebreath? Eh... Kudos, though, to the dev team for making it so a mage can't exploit the system, either, but yikes. If you get hit once by the fencer with that para/searing move, you're pretty much done.

    On Origin, my characters are ok. My necro mage is 120 wrestling, 109.8 magery, 105.2 eval, 100 med, 105 necro, 100 spirit spk, 80 resist. Having wrestling is 100% worthless. These little **** bosses parry special moves 100% of the time. So the only strategy I have is to lead with explosion, then invis. I can't use summons to tank, and everywhere you run you have to avoid another group of invaders.

    I guess I'll put it like this. Remember the Brit Invasion? Almost 100% of the people who played then loved the event. We were defending Brit--only Brit, no nonsense about needing to find out where we needed to go--and we were able to kill a MASSIVE invasion which wouldn't insta-gib us if we ran into it (firebreaths from two dragons, two drakes, and two hydras, and a reptalon, anyone?). The bosses had a decent amount of hit points so a few people could join, but they didn't take a half hour to solo. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT INVASION! Why not simply go for another round of that?

    A mystic boss doing 20 damage a melee hit is not advanced AI...a fencer who can para and do over 50 damage in a searing hit is not advanced AI. A reptalon doing 55 damage firebreath is not advanced AI. Teleport-to is advanced AI. Changeling teleport/target changing is advanced AI. Dark Wisp shields is advanced AI. If you want to give us a challenge, give us something new to do, not stacked numbers, or special moves which do nothing but **** someone over (like a fencer's para, if you're on a mage...who has 120 wrestling and max DCI only to die in three hits).
     
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    Mystic pwns a sampire being able to strip Vampiric Embrace.


    Pretty much agree with everything else.
     
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    thanks for correction on sampire, forgot about that!
     
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    I'm using the terrain as an advantage, but wizard never runs out mana,I'm avoiding his "turn you to ash" attack and spamming bloodoath while just healing,it's basically soloing without doing anything,takes along time but works on the wizards.I'm sure this isn't what the dev's had in mind but I'm soloing it lol

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    If i get perfection in, and get into a rhythm i kill them in about 4 or 5 mins on a sampire with bladed staff (this is not accounting for if i have to run away to heal up, or die even)
    Im thinking from what everyone has said as this goes on little tricks will be figured out and things will go easier.

    Are there going to be announcements on town criers and sherry the mouse for what town is being invaded? this helped alot during the last invasion that i remember, the one with the generals and the crimson dragons spawned via stealing faction sigils fel side.
    That invasion, the generals took a long time to kill but not really hard. The crimson dragons on the other hand... i cant imagine Ever being able to solo one or even think about it.
     
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    On Origin, the town criers currently bark what towns are under attack. You may need to spam "news" in order to learn about more than one city, however. Not sure how many cities can be under attack at once, but perhaps it's something like one Tram, one Fel?
     
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    This.
     
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    What you doing up at 4 am ET on a Sunday? ;P I'm going to answer my own question by going to sleep, lol.
     
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    hey hold on there I never said or claimed I was a RAREs dealer ,, I am a rares collector. I barely ever sell a rare. what I mentioned to my mom was that when you try to engage one of the new invasion mobs and you get the grey screen or death within in a second of engagement that's a bit much.i also have over a billion gold on me right now so I don't really need so sell any rares. :) just think its getting old that every time a new global event takes place the only answer is to make the mobs super powerfull that only a handful of players can deal with and that you have to make a new "template" for.and im sorry but taking 30 minutes to kill one mob is not fun, its a time waisting exercise. yes the Halloween encounters are a lot weaker which is nice , anyone who wants to hunt them can do it without coming away totally frustrated. this invasion is one of the types of events that are a reason new players would get turned off from this game. just my 2 cents
     
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    Well from the responses in this post that doesn't really seem to be the case with a few exceptions. As for taking 30 minutes... they aren't designed to be soloed. That is why they take so long. If you don't want to help, or don't want to solo then kill spawn and wait for the chance to destroy the beacons.

    I DO think they should be bardable. But I think everything should.
     
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    You know how when you do Heartwood quests you have to keep clicking to get the right one? I feel it's the same way with saying "news" to a crier. In this case, you have a 50/50 chance of getting the other town, but since it's an RNG, you could spend some time not getting the other town. At least, that's what I theorize.