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The whole paging on unattended macroer thing

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Omnius, Jul 5, 2009.

  1. Omnius

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    If you're being harassed, you're supposed to put a player on ignore. If you feel someone is using outrageous language or is being offensive you're told to put them on ignore.

    Unfortunately, this doesn't take into account that when you ignore this type of player in trammel they're also the most likely to page on you claiming you're unattended macroing.

    These players take your lack of response as scripting, regardless of how blatantly active you are and they page on you. During ToT, I've been paged on 23 times, that I'm aware of, and actually been bugged by GMs. These GMs ask me annoying questions to make sure I'm a person and meanwhile, as a mage farmer, I'm forced to spend time typing rather than farming as every letter casts spells I can hardly keep up with ridiculous questions and casting on spawn.

    Meanwhile, the people paging on me, lure spawn to me all day, spew horrible things and accusations of cheating at me and when I page for harassment, physical or verbal, nothing is done despite GMs physically talking to me while this is occurring and they do nothing about it.

    The problem with the system is, if I ignore the player, there is no journal log. If they lure spawn to try and kill me, I have to leave to page. Yet GMs spend hours bugging me about my hair color and pant color and how am I today. This is terrible service and a flawed system. The problem I see is that the system benefits the harasser because GMs don't care about responding to anything but accusations of scripting or unattended macroing.


    Why are GMs so obsessed about dealing with repeated false accusations of macroing while they won't deal with blatant verbal and physical harassment that is transpiring right on the same screen as the person they're "monitoring."

    My proposal? Ban players that frequently page on others for things that turn out to be provably false, time and time again. Stop wasting resources following the accusations of idiots, and start handling the griefing scum that are paging on players relentlessly as part of their attempts to harass others. One would think harassment would plainly include wasting the staff attention on clearly legitimate players or at least monitor these people who seem to spend more time in game in the help line than 99.9% of other players.
     
  2. Wallenstein

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    Well first things first.. EA will never ban a player for using the Help feature.. period.

    While luring to kill a player in a Trammel-ruleset area is considered Physical Harassment, it's up to you to page on the player(s) luring or nothing will be done. A GM responding to a page from someone who paged on you will not take time out of his response as he's examining your player because he/she does not know that luring is going on.. but, if you page and explain it's luring they will be able to come and tell. Basically, for physical harassment issues, a GM is likely not going to conclude that something happening is harassment or not by saying, "John is luring headless ones towards Bob-- John is banned." They don't know you take offense to something unless you page them and have the situation documented.

    A good way to make sure people don't think you're unattended is to simply move one tile to the south and then back one tile to the north. I fight a lot in Tokuno at one particular location and there is always a farming tamer there who I assumed was unattended macroing. But, after asking if anyone was there he simply moved one tile and then back. This was enough to just show he was there..
     
  3. Cloak&Dagger

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    When gms "check on you" they are next to you, if people are luring while a gm is checking on another page they should be able to handle the people luring right in front of them, so yea I sort of agree with omnius on that point.

    Also falsely paging over and over and over again is wasting resources, it should most likely not result in a perma ban ever, but some sort of action should be taken against these players (such as not being able to use the paging function for a week)

    As for the verbal harassment thing, very few things make the list of what is considered to be verbal harassment, other than that I agree with you.
     
  4. Wallenstein

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    Back when I was a new player I was scammed out of a Hooded Shroud of Shadows because I tried locking it down on my floor and a stealther took it. After paging once and receiving a canned response I re-paged. Same thing-- canned response. So, I paged once more. Again, a canned response. I page again and demand to speak with a GM and receive a typed response asking that I stop sending pages and contact EA support via e-mail. The page also stated that "action will be taken against my account" if I did not stop.

    In brief, they do threaten (well, at least did) action if you abuse the feature for false claims or for things that have been answered in full already.
     
  5. ACB1961

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    I've had several people so far tell me they are reporting me for being unattended. Of course I was talking to them at the time. ?

    Each time I was at a spawn they wanted...

    My response is going to always be the same. Page them. I'm not unattended so when they show up I'll talk to them and they will go away. One guy told me if I paid him 2 million he wouldn't page.

    I enjoyed that very much.
     
  6. AesSedai

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    - Please explain, in more detail, how this can be. You say 'these players'. Does that mean these same players that you have put on ignore (which explains why you feel the GMs cannot read their text in your journal log)? If they are the ones paging on you, then how do you hear any of their verbal spewings and accusations?

    As well, last I heard: They do give warnings and flag accounts that repeatedly abuse the GM help system.
     
  7. Bomb Bloke

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    Wallenstein, the stealther's actions were legal (if you discount that you were both playing with an illegal item) - sure, he might've done something morally incorrect, but that's not outside the rules of the game. I suspect your "canned response" was that the item couldn't be replaced, and that's pretty much the only answer you were ever gonna get on that.

    However, in the case of Omnius, the pagers don't get any feedback, so they don't "know" that the GMs are actually talking to him all the time. Hence, unlike your situation where you were getting an answer, his pagers won't be told to stop.

    Catch is the system can't be changed as you describe it, Omnius. If you were suddenly made "exempt" from paging, that'd give you the ability to start scripting for real.
     
  8. Lady Michelle

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    You need to ask them to stop swearing at you by saying please stop swearing at me I find it offense. If they dont stop after the 3rd time you asked them to.Then you page a gm let the gm know you ask them to stop swearing at you 3 times by saying please stop swearing at me I find it offense, and they wont stop.
    because you asked them to stop 3 times and they didnt that falls under harassment.
    for someone luring you need to die page a Gm and say I was killed because someone lured spawn on me.
     
  9. Dragonchilde

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    That's actually not indicative of anything. It's child's play to set up the script to react to someone's speech... I used to have a ball chasing Despise scripters around. All you have to do is say "hello" and they'll recall instantly. Script miners in fel do it, too.
     
  10. Ash

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    lol yeah, I have seen the scripters that respond with 'hold on phone' then 'sorry got to go'.. I must have some magical powers to make phone rings by showing up and saying 'howdy'. :)
     
  11. Wallenstein

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    Yeah, it was about 2 weeks after the AoS launch when I knew absolutely nothing about the game.. I basically saw my shroud just vanish and didn't put two and two together until my brother explained it was probably a stealther.
     
  12. Omnius

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    As I begin this post, I had GM encounter 24. The pager, a guy who is luring succubi across the dojo to a distant demon room. I politely asked the GM, to respond to my page about the guy luring spawn to try and kill me. Again, no response. The gm immediately just dropped the chat.

    They don't even give me some off the script response or a farewell just awful service and leaving the chat.
     
  13. Cloak&Dagger

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    Interesting...They always say good bye, well i have never spoken to them personally but I have witnessed it when my wife pages. Anyway of course they wont tell you if they are checking on your page or if they will do anything about people luring, but I understand if they were rude it is not acceptable =\
     
  14. Lady Michelle

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    makes me wonder if something might be wrong with your chat system and you might not see what the Gm is typing to you.
     
  15. Omnius

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    I consider it rude for customer service reps to provide horrendous service when it is in their power to do so
     
  16. Yeah the wannabe Player-Cops in this game need to seriously get a life. I've been experiencing some of the same things you have -- this ToT event has brought out the worst of them. You cannot play as a tamer in Tokuno right now without every 2-bit melee character interrogating you and accusing you of being unattended because you didn't IMMEDIATELY respond to them with paragraphs of chat when they ran into the room to steal your spawn.

    And GOD FORBID if you hide or stealth for a second.

    These Player-Cops give new meaning to the word :loser:

    Like you said, the funniest ones are those that accuse you of being unattended WHILE YOU ARE TALKING TO THEM. I could frankly care less about unattended ToTers, they don't effect my drop rate or experience one bit. These Player-Cops on the other hand are engaging in direct harassment that does effect my game play, and they should be banned for paging on people that are attended.
     
  17. AtlanticVlad

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    LoL talk about poor GM Responses I paged the other day to have some banners removed form a house that the owner account wasn't old enough to take down and coowned chars of age weren't having luck either including the person whom placed them. I was siting at the computer with my journal open... and I got the little red pop up thing in the top left gm response thing... It said we tried to contact you in game but you were unavailable. Please check that worthless web address they give you every time. Did I mention I was also standing in the house with the two banners on screen? There was nothing in my journal at all nothing at all... I had to wait another hour and a half before they actually responded the second page... I really wish they would step up there customer service. At one point it was really fairly good.
     
  18. Cloak&Dagger

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    Hell I was casting invis as someone ran by me and next thing they are luring crap. I told them to have fun and I don't mind paging. They asked me how is anyone suppose to know I am there...I mean it is not like I ignored them they RAN through the dojo and immediately started to lure stuff, maybe me casting invis was not enough to prove I was there but "hello" would work. Others have tried to kill steal and such assuming I am not there, not a single person has ever stopped to think that possibly trying to talk to a person would get you a response. Granted I may just ignore them depending on who they are, but still trying to find out if someone is present before you feel the need to put yourself in a position to be banned would be a smart thing to do.

    Then again these are the same people who accused me of never go to fel on my wrestle tamer and having faction items, just because I had not been on for 3 months it would seem they forget people. =\

    Note: I need to stop leaving my poor noobish chars in places that things might spawn while I am posting -.-
     
  19. Omnius

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    The worst part is, the trash paging are likely the same idiots who spew so much filth from their mouths and so many accusations I've had them on ignore for weeks as a GM DIRECTED me to do so when i first paged for verbal harassment.
     
  20. Entheeya

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    I have always believed that most scripters and unattended macroers are GM'S on their other accounts.

    This would explain the lack of support when you page on someone, and
    the GM'S inabilty to do anything if you do get one to respond..
     
  21. Omnius

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    This has to do with the use of claiming players are unattended macroing as a justification for grief play by trammel players and GM support being over zealous toward accusations of unattended macroing.

    A player can't do anything in tokuno on some shards without a barrage of filth being spewed at them by these players hiding behind trammel rule set. Attempting to get you killed or to prevent you from getting kills. It's gotten so bad that when they can't get a rise from you with their filthy mouths, and they can't get the spawn to kill you or steal all your kills then they page on you relentlessly any time they see you in Tokuno trying to farm the minors like anyone else.

    If you page for their physical or verbal harassments, the GMs do not care but they respond quickly and often to the same repeated claims of unattended macroing to plainly attended play. They refuse to do anything or even acknowledge pages for hours but they'll see if I'm present multiple times before my page gets a canned response. Even if my only response to them is to reiterate my complaint of harassment to the ongoing harassment that is taking place while I try to talk to them they either excuse themselves and leave chat or just close chat without a word.
     
  22. Farsight

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    I can't say that I disagree. The whole self-policing system is being horribly abused with this latest event, to the point that people with real problems are being ignored under the vast amounts of "This person I'm talking to is unattended."

    I don't know anyone who has been to the fan dancer dojo on Catskills that hasn't been paged on at least once, whether they spent 15 minutes there or hours. What's worse is that I believe that many of these pages are happening in order to mask real problems...
     
  23. Omnius

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    I believe the problem is an over reaction on the part of the staff to the ridiculous cries and over attention to unattended macroing(a far more limited problem from what I can see than what is claimed on these forums and in trammel).

    The griefing filth that hide behind trammel rule set have learned that if they really want to harass and grief someone than they can add to their arsenal of luring, attempting to kill steal, spewing filth with false unattended macroing page spams.
     
  24. Xtashin

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    That is completely false, I 'am banned from using the help feature. I was told if I ever paged about another player again I would be insta perma banned lol. That was back in about oh, 2003 tho im not sure what i did to get that or if they do it anymore.
     
  25. AesSedai

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    - I notice you have ignored my initial question. I just don't understand how you can hear people spewing filth when you admitted in your first post that you have put them on ignore.. & that by putting them on ignore in the past has caused you problems in the present.
    (sorry, I don't put people on ingnore via game mechanics; I always used other methods... so, I'm unfamiliar with this reasoning for your difficulties, but danged if some of your complaints don't seem contradictory... hence why I wanted you to further detail your issue a bit more. peace)
     
  26. There is no contradiction. I think you are being a little over analytical. He said in his first post that you're supposed to put them on ignore, not that he put every single one of them on ignore. If he put some on ignore, and then continued to have problems with different people who weren't on ignore yet, then it makes perfect sense.
    You act as if putting one idiot on ignore puts them ALL on ignore. Sadly, there is always a new one around the corner.
     
  27. Omnius

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    You seem to have failed to read this thread in entirety. Ignore was put on at the advice of a GM but You must ignore a player on all his chars and his friends. There are other ways to continue to harass a player verbally and circumvent the ignore feature. And despite your lack of comprehension my complaint included more than just harassment in the verbal form.
     
  28. Cloak&Dagger

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    Do not forget it is possible he just took them off ignore in hopes that he may be able to reconcile with the idiot in question, hard to try and ask someone to stop when you can not hear them. Not that I would take this approach just pointing out there are many ways for this to happen...
     
  29. AesSedai

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    - Therefore your initial paragraph was a pointless statement, and your further connections regarding putting players on ignore while they continue to harrass you were pointless as well.

    So, GMs are responding to your activities yet you feel they are not responding to requests you have made.... Why not check your emails, as that is about the only solid validation I have had tell me that they have investigated my distress calls (of course I have noticed actions taken even if they don't pat me on the back in-game for pointing the issue out to them)..

    As far as the GMs (& 'evil' players trying to protect the game and/or abuse the game just to waste your time) wasting your time for x23x 24 pages... just say hi and be happy the GM's are enforcing the game and enteracting with players. Would you really want them to stop doing that alltogether? 24 pages.. you just lost 12 minutes to know that this game is still being actively policed and your activities are worth more than a robot's. Personally, I wouldn't call that a loss, especially if I could count 24 pages while doing something that has only been happening for a few weeks.... Bravo you have proven that the GMs have been doing a great job policing UO lately; & that makes me happy.
     
  30. UOKaiser

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    I dont beleive they do this anymore thats like 6 years ago. I do hope they start it again. I assume the people doing it now are people who do at least 1-100 pages every day. I've paged about lets see twice this year on thats for the my char phy bug and on a housing problem thats all. Page happy people, When people are used to paging on somebody for anything they just go berserk with the abilitie, I'ts like ooh a tamer page,ohh someone moving too fast page, ooh i hate that name page,ooh i dont like that guild page, ohh i want that spot page, oo am bored let see who i can catch page...page...page.. They are the root of griefters.

    Then of course we got the lurers who are usually in the same camp as you can see with alot of peoples mindset especially on this forum. There should be punishments for false paging. At least this way you better be right about youre page if not it's you getting in trouble. That will make people who really want to play cop actually check on the person and go through proper police procedure. Innocent till proven guilty. Which then frees up gm resources and people who really need help actually get it in minutes instead of hours later.
     
  31. Cloak&Dagger

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    I agree for the most part with the second part of your post. But I must add there should be a point that the gms just stop responding to such things, seriously it would take beyond an infinite amount of luck for someone to actually just "happen" to be there when the gm pages, and have been afk the whole rest of the time. 24 pages on the same account (assumably) is really a waste of time, mostly for the gm staff
     
  32. UOKaiser

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    Actually as i said before and notice they are self proclaimed fel players that have a distain for anything trammel "yet they are playing in trammel for this event go figure" And are so used to griefting,luring,paging,hating any template thats not theres,being disrespectful and cursing in fel the no rules land that they bring it to our humble tramverse.
     
  33. CatLord

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    [News]

    17 visitors vanished from the Dojo!
    This happened during the past weekend.
    Reward issued for information about any details regarding this strange chain of events.
    Visitors Beware the ides of March!
     
  34. Cloak&Dagger

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    Hmm, wonder what calendar you are following :p
     
  35. Quantum Ace

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    Player behavior in this game never ceases to amaze me. This game is largely played by adults, but the majority behave like children to varying degrees.
     
  36. 1needy1

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    A GM? What is that? a rare commodit, they never respond they never deal with the situation and you want to know why? becaause theyhave been told not to ban people because they need people to pay to play and they need their jobs and the other scenario is , who do you think the GMs are? they are also players so they are not going to ban a mate. Be wise children and understand the intricacies of this game its biased , unfair and thats why its addictive. GMs dont actually care
     
  37. CatLord

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    we're still over 100.000 accounts... so heck, we're wildly profitable!
     
  38. Cloak&Dagger

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    He is funny, He posts that gms don't exist and don't check and don't to a post about how the gms are checking to often on the same person lol.
     
  39. UOKaiser

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    LOL. Looks like those visitors were attended. Happy past 4th of july weekend heh.
     
  40. Gellor

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    I've seen GM's threaten to ban over repeated pages over the same non-macro issue or even the SAME macro issue.

    But I've never seen a GM say "Hey ****** macro police #1, you falsely paged on eighteen people, if I get one more false page this month, you are getting a 7 day ban."

    Do unattended people happen? Absolutely. But players are too quick to page and a good portion of those paging are doing it to prevent compitition (either themselves doing it OR because they are "merchants"):coco:

    I've ALWAYS advocated having an excessive false page penalty system. Especially considering the fact that there is NOTHING is the TOS that says I HAVE to react to any players.
     
  41. H2O

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    A lot of the afker's are running a alarm to alert them if GM speaks to them and that is why so many of these players who claim to not be afk are not getting caught. In reality they are afk just mad they can't finish a good movie or whatever they are a doing at the time the alarm is going off. I am sure it is more to the story then what he/she has posted. Also I would like to know what shard you are on to have someone lure a succubus to you all the time in the dojo since every time I am in the dojo every spot is camped. I would love to make a char on this shard to see why you are begin paged on so much as a mage or any other char at at that and to see just how much luring is really going on if any. Just something about your story just doesn't add up.
     
  42. Cloak&Dagger

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    This is somewhat funny. To say "a lot" would be to imply you have the slightest idea what most if any players would be doing, also would imply you have more than "some" knowledge as to what they are capable of doing. Will not get into all the details of how this system of an "alarm" could fail, let alone work every time, while possible unlikely to be "most" and unlikely to be exceedingly accurate.

    On atl, napa and chessy more than half of the times I have been in the dojo during this event there has been more than enough ability for people to lure one or both succubi. In fact every time I have been down there on napa, and at least 80 percent of the time I have been down there on atl this holds true, chessy is prolly closer to that half marker but I have been down there the least on that shard. You are more than welcome to come look for any characters you think are afk on these shards as I am sure you will find that I have had just as much of an issue with this and have not been afk. So continue to assume away, accuse people and generally just shameful hating.

    We should try to avoid this debate right here, as party members of all facets are just as bad as any others. I have noticed an obvious increase in the more fel inclined population acting in this manner but that is to be expected since they are in tram more often during this event so still remains even.
     
  43. Deb

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    The whole unattended and invis problem could have been fixed had
    they implemented TOT the same as the anniversary drops. You have to be
    showing and within so many tiles. Not sure why it wasn't.
     
  44. UOKaiser

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    Cause its bias toward tame,mages,and anybody with hiding many legitmate hunting players. And people who actually will unattended will just get on a dexter.
     
  45. EnigmaMaitreya

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    This is correct, the very players being ... chastised here, because we certainly would NOT want for this to be demonstrated as Just Another I Hate Tamers So Lets Delete the Tamers thread, will 100% of the time find a Template that achieves their goals.

    Meanwhile we see the case, yet again, of the VERY VERY VERY FEW ruining it for every one else.

    THAT INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO the Paging people. One might want to consider the COST (as in Real Life Currency) of a GM to be available. One might want to consider the POINT of a Rare and Valuable Resource such as a GM's time being spent, being for all intents and purposes a DAY CARE WORKER trying to keep the kiddies peaceful.
     
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    Several members of my guild have been paged on several time during this event. I hear them in Ventrilo constantly saying, "Why is GM checking on me again?! I'm RIGHT here!"

    They aren't scripting, they aren't even doing anything in a pattern to indicate they're a bot of some sort, they're just being griefed. The same people, luring monsters and paging.

    I would tell them to page for harassment, but part of what you have to do is remove yourself from the situation... then the person wins.
     
  47. H2O

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  48. Scratch

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    the ignore feature is not an option for a fel player as that char becomes enabled to sneak up on you, cast spells on you, or whateve without you know its coming. if i ignore a red he can then cast an explode flamestrike painspike on me and i wont even have a clue it is coming because the ignore feature blocks his name from all names, blocks anything he says, blocks any spellcasting he does.......etc. the ignore feature is a useless pos unless you are ignoring some noob toon spamming at the bank over and over in billboard format.....fix it or stop telling us to use it. try enforcing your own TOS and remove the filth that litters this game....

    luring in fel is ok and expected....luring in tram is bannable
    being called a ***g0t by the same guy for a week straight with no action taken is total bs.
    being called a n1gger by the same guy for over a week with no action is bs.

    yet it is common practice these days....dont even bother paging, ive tried...and they still play today.

    farm tots, script tots, just sit there and watch what i call UOTV. they wont do ****. pm me if you need help with the latter.
     
  49. Omnius

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    It seems absurd that because these griefing trash are the major beneficiaries of the GM system while they abuse it to harass their intended targets.
     
  50. Bruin

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    Just play Siege and kill the other player. =)