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There is a surprise in the latest publish....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by The Predator, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. The Predator

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    I'll give you a hint, it's with Blackthorn's Dungeon....

    And no, it's not the trash barrel at the entrance....

    Enjoy. And thank you to Mesanna and the rest of the Devs. :D
     
  2. Viquire

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    It pulled me out of my regular stomping grounds twice last night. Very interesting. The drop rate seems to have been tweaked a bit down also.
     
  3. outcry

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    So to appease the whiners and scripters they screwed the Thief's Yet Again
     
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  4. Glenny glenn

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    So it pulls you back to entrance after an interval of time?
     
  5. S_S

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    LOL, I don't believe anybody is going to stay "hidden" for long....
     
  6. Glenny glenn

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    I dont like all this dancing around it so im gonna save people time by telling them that you get revealed every 20 seconds on so in blackthorns.

    Thats what he is refering to
     
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  7. Aurelius

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    Well that's... irritating, since my thief uses ninja form to stealth scout out for the stealables....

    I guess maybe they thought this was a fix for the stealth herding and/or luring of monsters, but again, it's not a particularly brilliant one for other people playing perfectly legally.... :(
     
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  8. Dot_Warner

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    Hmmm... Why bother to enforce the rules when you can code in something incredibly lame that harms legitimate playstyles?
     
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  9. Viquire

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    Folks it is not just that, I wasn't hidden, but it telestormed me into the very southeast room twice during an hour of hunting. No warning language on the screen either, and I don't know if someone was paging on me or not.
     
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  10. Glenny glenn

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    Had the same thing happen to me, got thown into that poison room relatively quickly
     
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  11. Aurelius

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    I almost get the feeling the Devs are actively trying to p*ss me off enough that I give up on this game ... there was a genuine problem with abuse of systems in Blackthorns, but how they thought this was a good response to it beggars belief ...
     
  12. Viquire

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    What I do not know is if that mechanic is active throughout the dungeon, or only in the spaces most likely to see abuse.
     
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  13. Piotr

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    It should only be players with followers that should be revealed. Please Devs, unscrew the honest thieves. :wink:
     
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  14. SlobberKnocker

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    a cheap fix really.. done to fix shoddy grinding game mechanics.
     
  15. SlobberKnocker

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    its funny though. all the crying on the board about afk this and afk that in Blackthornes probably coupled by how many complaining emails, tweets, pages and the like garners this as a result...

    i sort of don't know who to feel bad for here.
     
  16. The Predator

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    If you remain mobile in the dungeon, you'll be fine. It is if you are unattending...

    This doesn't affect thieves at all, as long as you are stealthing around....
     
  17. Bobar

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    ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!. They put stealables in there, some in locations where stealth is needed and introduce this?. Why the hell didn't they at least leave the areas where they are alone?. To say my mind boggles somewhat understates it. I shall check it out and if the info is wrong I apologise but if it isn't I will have paid my last visit to Blackthorns. If you go after a stealable you often stand watching for some time immobile you dont move around in case you reveal yourself unintentionally, having to move every 20 seconds or so is ridiculous.
     
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  18. Aurelius

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    I really hope so... can't check yet since Europa has not got the Publish until tomorrow morning my time....
     
  19. Viquire

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    That's very helpful info. Thank you.
     
  20. outcry

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    Not true i was stealthing around the whole dungeon and each and every time I went near dragons I got revealed and yes my skills are up to par at 100 , hide 120 stealth *all skill* and I am an elf .
     
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  21. Speranza

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    Great so now the scripters can just recast invis every 19 seconds.... Great fix, Such Development, Much Wow
     
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  22. The Predator

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    Instead of complaining, maybe some of you should try it in-game for yourself to see how it works.

    You don't need to be completely mobile the whole time....but....if you are are not mobile and idle for 10-15 minutes, you'll see what happens. It's not if you remain immobile for a short period of time....

    Bottom line, it does a good job of eliminating a rather large problem of unattended farming. Period. End of story.

    More than likely, the people that are crying are the ones that are going to end up into a room full of noxious gas because they aren't really there... :D
     
  23. Vexxed

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    It won't eliminate anything..... Scripters can indeed mimic ANY actions a player can so now the scripters will just mimic the actions that get around the system for maximum farming.... Granted they will perhaps put a dent in them because I do imagine some things are harder to do and for awhile at least things will be better.
     
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  24. Aurelius

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    Ironically, my 120 stealth/100 hide thief still occasionally gets revealed by skeletons and hellhounds, and fairly regularly by the greater dragons, but that's fine, it's part of the risk of stealthing for me... it was the idea of automatically being telestormed or revealed that was concerning...
     
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  25. Sinder Shayde

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    Did my morning thief /stealing ritual in my usual stealth mode and was SO NOT Impressed with the new reveal you every 20 seconds or so while in Blackthorn's Dungeon .

    I understand there was a problem with "farming" down there but why "screw" the thieves over!!....:lame:
     
  26. Sinder Shayde

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    It does affect thieves while "stealthing"...
    I was revealed while in stealth mode at least every 20 seconds or so, which has never happened this many times before and I am a natural 120 stealth.
     
  27. Capt. Lucky

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    That is so not cool. There should at least maybe be a stealth/hiding check or something. Sounds like this wasn't thought out at all.
     
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  28. S_S

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    I welcome the changes. Yes it does make it a little more difficult for my thief (I will learn to adjust), but I'll take that any day over afk farmers.
     
  29. Zeke

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    Remaining mobile you still get revealed every 20+ seconds. If you invis yourself and there's a mob near you, it's insta reveal too. Not only is this change buggy but it seems to screw all stealthers, not just AFK hidden tamers. Is it a big impact to me on my thief, not really since I just normally stealth through the red mage room to check on the Gold Painting and run in wolf form thru the rest of the areas, but it is a PITA to get revealed 3 times in under a minute when I'm moving and there's not a mob anywhere near me to reveal me and this is with 120 Stealth and GM Hiding.
     
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  30. Maximus Neximus

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    Haven't tested yet and probably won't until this weekend. But this sounds mighty lame.
     
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  31. the 4th man

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    It's like this, at least they're trying, if anyone can do better, go work for the devs and do it to it........as far as thieving, I like the oxymoron, an honest thief....good one.
    Adjust tactics, I found that out along time ago in doom.....avoid the ones that can drop you fast, make new keys to invis, heal, whatever......complaining isn't going to change it.
     
  32. Merlin

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    Totally weak.
     
  33. Poo

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    we pointed out a problem and they gave us a creative answer.
    i think ill save my 'the sky is falling' for something that actually is bad.
    having to hit my hide button every once in a while when i go to check for the stealables is not a game breaker for me.
    hell, i dont even stealth to check anymore, i just blitz in run to the 3 areas and then im off to the next place i need to go for my next steal-able that needs stealing.
     
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  34. Poo

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    its kinda random actually now that i go in and test it.
    i went in, hide, started my timer and went and hit all three stealable, 90 seconds then i was revealed coming back out.
    so i hide carry one, 10 seconds later i was popped again. hide. over a minute later while actively stealthing popped again.
    so then i parked.
    popped in 30 seconds.
    hide.
    popped in 4 seconds.
    hide.
    popped in over 2 minutes.

    so it seems very random.
     
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  35. Poo

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    ohhh ya, the critters here have a new EI!

    if they see you hide your doomed!
    ahhahahhahaha!
    i was on the other side of the wall from the golden elementals.
    was popped after like 2 minutes, the elementals came over to my area on the other side of the wall.
    hide.
    insta popped.
    hide.
    popped in like 4 seconds.
    hide.
    insta popped.
    hide.
    insta popped.
    i did this like 20 times.

    so its kinda cool, if they see you hide then KNOW where you are and pop ya.
    which, lets me honest, should be how hide and stealth work.
     
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    Classic! :D
     
  37. Goodmann

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    What will I do with my 10 tamers on 10 different shards now who farmed afk 20 hrs a day!!!
     
  38. CovenantX

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    I'm not seeing what's suppose to be happening here.... do you get revealed while hidden or something?
     
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    Must be when you have more than one follower or something... I'm not being revealed while hidden or stealthing.

    Edit: Never mind, it seems to just be where ever mobs spawn =p

    meh, doesn't effect me =D
     
  40. kRUXCg7

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    Is that everywhere now? Or only in Blackthorn dungeon?

    Anyway, it's another nerf and I fear that it is right that afk scripters will be the first ones to adapt and enjoy the benefits. Like in the old days with the dreaded 8x8 system. Scripters laughed at me. They had tears in their eyes, really. I think this nerf netted in a solid loss of at least $ 360 back then :-D And that was only my account.
    Sorry for the rant. But shouldn't we concentrate on making the game more fun instead of over-policing? I know there were lots of tears and crying about that here on Stratics but then again there's still the miner scripters like in 2001. The randomized ores didn't stop them a bit. It sure stopped me, though... It made my mining experience more tedious.
    This is not the end of the game and if it's only dungeon Blackthorn it won't affect me much really. Maybe I need to pay more for minax artifacts again. But maybe the devs should stop reading on Stratics for a while. Right after reading this text. ;-D
     
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    It seems you get revealed while hidden or stealthing anywhere outside of the entrance & the first main room in blackthorn dungeon. Basically any room where monsters spawn inside the dungeon, It's a good change, might bring a little more value back to the minax drops, they have went from about 1m per (maybe 2) down to like 250k-350k per since they've been out.

    I haven't checked other dungeons at all (for the revealing thing), but they should probably tie this to players that have more than 1 follower, this way it'll fix the afk tamers, or atleast limit them, without taking away from other templates 'thieves' were mentioned above.
     
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    This is like putting up a baby gate to try and keep an adult out of an area.
     
  43. G.v.P

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    time to invest in invis pots!
     
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  44. Tjalle

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    I like this change.
     
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    it's not where you're standing noobs - it's where the monsters are - they have a circular area around them where they reveal anything that's hidden just like corgul - this is a classic example of code reuse

    of course you didn't get revealed in the entrance, there's usually no monsters there - DUH!!!
     
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    I don't. It's ridiculous. I understand why they did it...because everyone whined about the big bad afk farmers. For the love of god, stop whining about how others play the game.

    But come on, I can't even go to the bathroom (which takes me a minute) now? Or get a drink, which takes me 30 seconds? How is that fair?
     
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    Concur!
     
  48. Kojak

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    well, I guess after 1,000,999,233,444,555,232,334,888 posts about afk dragon minax arti farmers, you got what you paid for ... in spades - so stfu now - lol
     
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    Almost every person complaining about this change complained about AFK farmers in the past. We complained about AFK farmers, they fixed it, if it damages the thief playstyle, just adjust and make "warrior thieves" or something that doesn't need stealth. At least the devs are trying.
     
  50. Dot_Warner

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    They didn't "fix" anything, they put in a half-arsed change that will only annoy legitimate players a la the mining/lumberjacking randomization "fix". AKF script farmers will just add a routine to hide every 20 seconds or so and go back to cornering the market on artifacts. So much for the "fix."

    To actually fix this problem, they need to enforce the UO ToS/RoC instead of continuing to let the scum run roughshod over the rest of us. Order GMs to respond to pages. Ban the perpetrators after the 2nd offense (IP ban, CC ban, address ban, the works.)
     
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