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There should be a penalty for killing fellow faction members.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by The Fallout, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. The Fallout

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    It's a bunch of bullcrap. We are supposed to be allies or something, we are in the same faction. Killing factions members enough times should get you booted from the faction or something.
     
  2. Abies Aduro

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    i agree yo considering i just got killed by a fellow TB member and its stupid that he doesnt get some kind of penalty
     
  3. The Fallout

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    I just noticed too. I got put into stat for it. That is ridiculous.
     
  4. chad

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  5. The Fallout

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    What are you a caveman? One word answers is all you can give?
     
  6. I dunno about this one.. when theres oranges to be killed same faction guilds should just back off from each other and concentrate on oranges, but when theres down time, why not fight same faction members? Maybe you shouldnt get put into stat for it though.
     
  7. GWAR_LS

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    Well it sounds like u got powned. And you should be thinking what you should do to win next time, not what EA should do. I think its just fine. Wouldnt it be nice if all blues that kill u got some penalty ;l
     
  8. Restroom Cowboy

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    Well, it may be ridiculous, but it is just part of the game. Take comfort that your own faction members cannot put you in stat loss directly, else it could be much worse.
     
  9. Anakena

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    There is indeed a problem in the actual faction design. In the past, people joined faction for different purposes, but mainly for the blessed stuff and the PvP.

    With the faction artifacts, we have seen a new population joining factions : the people from the champ spawn guilds, mainly red raiding guilds. They joined for the artifacts only. They do not play for their faction, but they keep being a raiding guild. If you are in the same faction they will raid and backstab you.
     
  10. Nexus

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    Me personally and I know it's an unpopular opinion, I think that people in factions shouldn't be allowed membership in guilds. Their faction should be their guild, and if it was that way, then faction killing same faction members would be Guild Sparing and they can remove the silly Stat Loss from people doing it.
     
  11. jack flash uk

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    yes i think some faction players do need to be educated somehow

    some bellends from 2.0 guild explained to me after faction killing me that we are enemies, but when we invite them to protect us at a champ we are friends

    the explaination was this, because there is not much pvp in europa they try to get what they can,even if we are faction allies

    sadly others, better 2.0 players have no influence over the said bellends


    so yes lets have a massive gold fine for faction killing your own
     
  12. Mistura

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    Why are people saying you go into stat loss if you die to someone in the same faction?

    This is simply not the case.
     
  13. Mistura

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    So your in COM yeah?

    What guild are you actually in? Not God surely?
     
  14. Amren

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    Was this in fel?
    if so, suck it up. PvP happened on a PvP ruleset.
     
  15. Splup

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    I play in FEW and I'v noticed that since we have a policy of not attacking own faction but helping them, many "random" players have joined TB. I wish other factions would do the same, would make getting into PvP and factions easier...
     
  16. jack flash uk

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    nope not GOD, tbh not had any dealing with them either, however, i am not the leader of my guild so i do not wish to add more tenstion between the guilds, just wanted to highlight that 2.0 have issues and hopefully the leader will sort this out and stop the nonsense,sadly i have been told that all is not well in 2.0, and the fact they are killing faction allies proves this but yes CoM
     
  17. In Flames

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    There is. Murder counts.

    ^^

    Not that those bother someone like me.
     
  18. Mistura

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    ZERG!! :p
     
  19. Coragin

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    Simple, do this...

    If you attack someone in the same faction, have a gump come up similar to the murder count one asking if you would like to report this murder to faction HQ. If you choose yes, they get a strike (PERMANENT STRIKE), if they get three (in a single day or their life), they are ejected from the faction and cannot rejoin a faction PERIOD!

    Some might not like this, to you I say, up yours! Nothing is worse than happening alone a same faction member and then getting the gank squad of 4 or 5.

    So I would be all for this law with factions. Three strikes rule for accidents, although there should never be any, you know if you are attacking a fellow faction member. And it is totally up to the person killed to give you this strike. Hell I would go a step further, ONLY reds in SL and MIN, ONLY blue in TB and CoM. Seperate the good from evil I say.
     
  20. Petra Fyde

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    let's keep shard-specific challenges on the appropriate shard board and not derail general threads with them?
     
  21. Winker

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    My problem here is that other guilds use this well founded intention for their own gain. Not to long ago an SL giuld left SL and went TB just so you would no longer target them and this only left 1 SL guild.

    While your intentions are noble, they are being missued by less scrupulous players for their own ends.
     
  22. Elric_Soban

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    agreed, faction teamkilling is ********.
     
  23. Mistura

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    The thread is hardly being derailed with a couple of shard specific examples of what is going on in the field is it?

    Crappy reason to interfear with the flow of conversation tbh =(
     
  24. Mistura

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    ^^ That was aimed at Petra, didn't realise there were additional posts after hers :p
     
  25. Mistura

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    It is up until a point. If there are no enemy factions about and your not guilded, why not have at it while there is no other action taking place.

    We all like to PvP don't we? :)

    But ofc, when there is enemy faction about, you go after the orangees.
     
  26. Coragin

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    Or how about this, players in the same faction just simply cannot attack each other? You want to pvp everyone? Quit your faction, faction has its own dynamics and should be different from just the fell free for all bloodbath Im bored so I will attack you metality.

    Honestly, the Im bored excuse its rather childish, thats like saying I was bored so I ran my car into a house because I could not goto the cash up derby today.

    Or even better impliment "Faction Guards!" command. If a faction has guards, they will spawn and attack the rogue faction member trying to kill a member of his own faction.

    Or be able to vote on that member that killed you, enough votes, he is kicked from the faction for life.
     
  27. Divster

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    lol clearly your the one with an issue, i'm in 2.0 and i can tell you there is nothing wrong within 2.0. I don't know which player you had an issue with but as most of our players are red am not sure what the issue is. A red is a red even if in factions. Its kinda like expecting there to be no crime between people of the same nationality :)
     
  28. HeathBar

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    Just because you are in the same faction together doesn't mean they are your new BFF's. If you want to cuddle together with your fellow faction members, make them an ally through he guild system.
     
  29. I've been ganked more often by greens than by oranges, it seems.

    It's not as bad, as you won't get the stat hit, but by the same token, there's no incentive for fellowship in factions right now. So a green name just appears as a count-free victim for many folks.

    It rings particularly true in one-sided faction settings like Sonoma's current state, where COM owns everything and outnumbers everyone. It's a hopeless fight, so the other rabble factions turn on their own....
     
  30. CatLord

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    Hello... we ambushed him right after and he died... painfully.

    My greater dragon claws dug into his flesh and fire breath burnt him into a crisp... while several of the freemen that spawn with us attacked from opposite sides...

    Our foe felt the pain he dealt to you... and much more.


    There was arrows, lightning, the wind turned on him... and there was no escape...

    Retribution was ours... :D
     
  31. CatLord

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    Guess it is time to finish my Crazy K.
     
  32. jack flash uk

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    nope, no issue just confused, i have a very,very good friend in 2.0 and sadly i have been told that there is no control over others if they wish to attack you, then they should be insta kicked, if you want to be a red great, but you are also in a faction, if you want to kill everything that moves then you should not be in a faction, i know my red respects the faction title

    so basically 2.0 reds join the faction just to get the faction artis, is this what you are saying?

    also this is one of the reasons that 2.0 have not been invited to champs with the guild i am in, but then if you want to gank and raid CoM faction allies then of course you can, but its about respect and the rep of 2.0 is getting battered of late, but then its up to you :)

    i wont lose any sleep over it, as wont you, i am pleased to say i am in a guild that DOES respect others and we have a GREAT rep because of it, and of course i will get kicked if i step out of line

    just because 2.0 are a red guild, you mean to say that when i, we come across them we draw swords straight away? do you speak as the leader of 2.0? i interact with some red 2.0 and i share idocs with 2.0 reds, and others attack me on site. how does one work that one out?

    fight us one minute, share a champ with us an hour later? dont think so sunshine

    so 2.0 are reds because they gank fellow faction allies that do not expect to be attacked?

    sounds great, at least i know, thanks for clearing that up for me
     
  33. Tina Small

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    Fallout, any chance this happened on Siege or Mugen? And did your character do the killing or was it the character that ended up dead?

    There was a big problem about a year ago with griefing of faction mates on Siege for the purpose of making them lose kill points (Siege and Mugen have a unique rule that causes this: http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=100955). I've kind of lost track of whatever changes were made to address that situation; I'm not sure they were well-publicized. I think not being able to use pets or mage summons to kill faction mates might have been one of the changes and for some reason it was a change that ended up applying across all shards. However, I don't play on Siege, so maybe this is something else that was changed on Siege...? However going into skill loss because a faction mate killed your character doesn't make sense.

    In any event, if you're 100% certain that your faction character went into skill loss because of the actions of a faction mate and not because you might have inadvertently suicided your character (skill loss applies if your faction character commits suicide), you should submit a bug report with relevant details so it can be investigated.
     
  34. Kiljaedon

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    If they would let tamers in same faction use pets against other members of the faction then I would be fine with just sucking it up. I have had people join my faction precisely to gank me personally without my cute and cuddily pets being able to assist me. I say if you are in the same faction then it should be as if you was in trammel. Not even allow to target them. They do it for tamer pets so why not everyone else in same faction.

    Let tamer pets attack same faction peeps and that will satisfy me.
     
  35. Tina Small

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    Please read the other thread about what was happening on Siege before going too far into the issue of why you can't use your pets to kill faction mates. There WAS a big and serious issue there that needed to be resolved. People were redlining themselves and then attacking a faction mate and being killed by said faction mate when he auto-defended (via weapon or pet, I'm not sure it mattered).

    Siege/Mugen have a unique rule that causes the killer in that situation to lose KILL POINTS. If someone griefed them long enough through use of the auto-defend mechanism, the person being griefed could end up with no kill points in a hurry.

    The situation had to be addressed.

    I kind of wonder if the developers considered implementing the same Siege/Mugen Evil/Hero rule about losing kill points if you kill a faction mate on the rest of the shards as well, but either just didn't get around to it or wanted to see how big of a problem it actually developed into on the other shards if factions saw a comeback.

    So, how big of a problem has it become on the other shards, with faction mates killing each other? Is it keeping some people out of factions? Have you sent in feedback? How would you change things to deal with the situation and not in turn create more potential for griefing? What do you think causes the situation to occur in the first place--some people just like to be jerks and/or some people are so deadset on dominating a shard that they put powerful alts in competing factions for griefing and demoralizing their enemies?
     
  36. Lynk

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    I have some concerns that there is an imposter guild using my tag of 2.0 on shards that I do not play on.

    What shard is this Jack Flash guy crying about?
     
  37. Kiljaedon

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    Well Siege should never have even adapted alot of the stuff that the normal servers were given. It was meant to be a place were people who did not want a trammel facet could move to and rely on community based solutions with the loosely set rules that it follows. The other servers should never have gotten the same bandaid fixes that Siege did.
     
  38. HeathBar

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    Looks like Europa.....?
     
  39. kelmo

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    This not always the case. I only read the first post. But no.
     
  40. Saint of Killers

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    Don't worry, he's not on that barely populated shard that you transferred to so you can beat your chest story telling uninterrupted.
     
  41. Lynk

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    You're so cute when your inferior (always).

    Chessy and Cats are both pretty populated, Baja is kind of dead.

    Your guild must be happy, you can run around on your archers and button mash moving shot once again and not get syncd into stat loss every 20 minutes.
     
  42. The Fallout

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    Actually if someone wants to be a sociopathic outcast they shouldn't join a faction. A faction IS a team, I mean especially TB. There should be a penalty for killing fellow members. You logic is idiotic.
     
  43. They Call Me Al

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    Hmmm, I'm surprised not a single person has mentioned this....

    Make it so dev gods:

    kill a fellow faction member and all your points are forfeit to them. (this of course would mean that they would have to update faction points more often)

    in an instance where your faction points are forfeit in such a manner, you can't get any more for an 8 hour in game time period. (the same period of time taken to work off a short term count).

    Seems to be the most simple way to thwart people from "team killing" yet not completely banish it.

    Anyone have a better solution?
     
  44. jack flash uk

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    thanks for your really valuable input, i have been talking to some peeps from 2.0 dont need you. not crying, please read again, maybe finish post before adding smart ass comments. if you have problems with the long words then maybe a grown up in your house can help, hope so

    and if you have a char in 2.0 and do not kill faction allies then what does it have to do with you anyway? oh wait you are a game dev.....

    lastly, if you were of any importance, and was playing the same shard as me, you would know me

    so please run along now, grown ups talk here:)
     
  45. Vyal

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    ummm if you kill a faction char in your own faction they still go in stat, this thread is dumb..
     
  46. Lynk

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    There are so many opportunities to insult you in here that I don't even know what to do with myself. If I say more I'll get in trouble with the boss lady.

    Best of luck to you in your game endeavors.
     
  47. jack flash uk

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    Good idea, lets get back to the point of the thread

    agreed there needs to be a penalty, or why not just use the guild feature that stops u setting a pet on another guildy? make it so the game does not allow you to attack other faction member unless you check a prompt bar on yr player gump allowing it, like corpse looting party members

    cant be hard
     
  48. They Call Me Al

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    if you had a fair grasp of the English language, you would feel really dumb right now. But as it seems you do not, you may continue in your ignorance.
     
  49. HeathBar

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    If there were an infinite number of factions to choose from I'd agree with you. Since there are only 4 this means a guild/player (if they want to be in factions) is forced to choose the lesser of the evils. Just because they are in a faction that you also happen to be in, it doesn't mean you are instant allies, hence why they are still allowed to attack you.

    Obviously you are just upset because someone killed you. Lighten up a bit and don't expect everyone in Fel to play by your rules.
     
  50. jack flash uk

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    and to you of course, best also wait till your a big girl to play adult games:)