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they nerf shame loot so peeps will re-forge?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by flappy6, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. flappy6

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    just spent an hour in shame killin choas vortex and d-blood-ellies and I have 2200 luck ,worse loot so far since shame came out and i mean the weight of stuff was bad,5 rpd and like 30 luck on stuff 2 dci ,really cmon man!
     
  2. Fridgster

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    Yeah unfortunately I have to agree with this. Shame loot seems to have received a downgrade in quality. 3000k+ luck on eternal gazers and loot seemed like what I was getting off of earth ele's before.
     
  3. GreywolfUK

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    I have noticed this for a few days now, seen a big drop in the amount of relic grade items, to me it seems ever since they did that patch to the uosa.exe that the loot drops have degraded.
     
  4. flappy6

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    maybe they dont know ,maybe one of these guys here on stratics can text them or twitter tweet them
     
  5. goldenpower

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    how did you manage to get to 3000 luck?
     
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    Yeppers runnig around with 2860 and Junk

    Used to get 1 - 2 pieces per wind ele that could unravl to relics now 1 per 4 or 5 eles

    Trule sad how they Break such simple things.
     
  8. G.v.P

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    i thought this patch was supposed to make it so mid-level items would give relic quality items more often?
     
  9. Ezekiel Zane

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    Re: Yeppers runnig around with 2860 and Junk

    You really think we should pull 1 or 2 relic frags off every kill? That seems a bit much.

    You know they did tone it down already once before? You sure you're not comparing today to the first incarnation of Shame loot?
     
  10. weins201

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    nope a change from yesturday to today

    and with 2860 luck yes i should get at least one unraveld relic frag per wind ele as they are on the 4th level of shame.

    Higher luck should give better chance at higher items as stated but now it is going backwards.

    Perhaps if i go up to lesser monsters there will be an increase but that is BS:rant2:
     
  11. Fridgster

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    1400+ base luck from equipment
    700+ from luck statue
    1000 from perfection

    And no EZ I was just farming eternal gazers yesterday, definitely a major drop in loot quality. I agree maybe dropping it some was required but it does seem like a drastic amount.

    Besides From what I read in the release notes I was under the impression that the loot was going to be better with luck.. didn't realize they were going to drop the overall loot table quality at the same time.
     
  12. aarons6

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    hah maybe they meant to say no more relics from mid level items..
     
  13. JoO

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    Feels like as with most things they turned the wrong knob or pressed the wrong button :p
     
  14. Ezekiel Zane

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    I haven't been down to Shame in a while and I've not been into Wrong at all yet so I dunno. Maybe they messed it up in the wrong direction.
     
  15. Fridgster

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    Don't get me wrong it probably needed to be toned down a little... I mean good grief I was able to make a suit for my mage/tamer that maxed out his mana pool at 250 (Along with 40 lmc, 12 mana regen, and 100 lrc). No SDI so was kinda impracticable in battle but boy it was great for training!
     
  16. Fridgster

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    BTW I'm not overly upset about the reduction in quality, however I wouldn't mind a response from someone on whether or not this change was intended.
     
  17. G.v.P

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    I got my mid confused, but here is the "bug fix":

     
  18. flappy6

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    tone it down?im getting first level items fighting choas vortex(hardest monster in shame)
    something is wrong with the loot,its not even worth going in to the dungeon for that....i can make more loot killing miners, I hope they fix this...
     
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    This sounds bad!

    Devs! Fix!
     
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    Yea - my wife says since the patch, the loot in 4th level Shame is now pretty much 1st level stuff. Something broke there.

    She is also not impressed with what was done in Wrong. Hardly any thing worth fighting there. So much for improving the dungeons and bring people back into them.
     
  21. Fridgster

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    Wrong seems to have drawbacks from Shame, however Wrong excels in the puzzle aspect of the game. It also features the first time within the dungeon re-vamping that a stealable artifact is available. From what I've seen of the torture rack stealable I'd say the Dev's did a great job. Also the puzzle room was a nice touch as well.
     
  22. JoO

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    Yeah, I have killed a hundred or so post publish and I can say that I notice a difference in the loot. I am getting as many as 2 or 3 minor magic items on an unbound EV and I never recall that happening much less at any frequency.
     
  23. MatlocK

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    I did my normal one hour luck statue grind on the unbound evs and not one legendary item........ Once again they ruin one thing to make something else shiny and new.
     
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    Same results here on the tougher creatures. I used to get 7 or 8 mod items all the time with all the negatives of course, but they spawned. Now getting jewelry over 5 mods appears not to be possible.
     
  25. Bman

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    Well I figured I would go give Shame a try since I have read the reports of lesser than expected loot at the higher levels in shame...

    It was more than depressing... it has leterally turned the lvl 4 Vortex loot to plain ole lvl 1 junk.. I was spending a lot of my time in Shame since the dungeon update killing Vortexs collecting some nice loot and making off with a nice supply of Relic frags.. I spent all my time in Fel shame and even had characters logged out down there so I could just jump on and kill when I wanted to.. well tonight I have pulled all my characters out of shame..

    Soo much for bringing back the dungeons.. guess it was good for a couple months.. and Wrong Dungeon like most have already pointed out is a waste of time as well.

    Guess this patch was to get people back into doing BoDs again and learning how to reforge.. I prefer to kill and look for loot (hoping to hit the lottery on loot at any given time) rather than grinding away at filling bods and crafting.. guess to each their own. Off to look for a new hobby during my play time, maybe take up IDOCing, thats a good rush waiting for a house to fall and see what kind of lottery you have hit there!
     
  26. Obsidian

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    Please fix this! It appears they over-corrected the Shame loot. We'd like the groupings adjusted, but not the quality reduced to level one items.

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
  27. Smokin

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    Any Dev want to respond to this, I mean not sure how you can lower the loot quality after a month of flooding items into the game.
     
  28. NBG

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    If I recall, they were suppose to make luck more relevant when it comes to quality of loot with the publish. My best guess is that someone screwed up the math somewhere or it might just be the standard UO Dev's approach of dangling a huge carrot at release of something new to get positive feedback and then nerf the S%!t out of it the next publish (pretty standard pattern if you look at past examples).
     
  29. Smokin

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    Yeah I think the luck thing is right, I have tried it with several different levels of luck and it does seem more relevant. Unfortunately it seems to get high end items you would have to have 5000 luck if its possible.
     
  30. Gorbs

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    I killed stone elementals in level 1 last night until I had about 300 stones worth of loot to unravel with 0 luck. I ended up with 4 relic frags. Truthfully, I was looking for base pieces that had one good property and no negatives. Granted I don't play much, but couldn't recall getting a relic off anything less than the third level since they had fixed the unravel formula to account for negatives and treat durability correctly.
     
  31. Bman

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    Bump... to the next responding Dev on this issue...

    When I am in there I run with 2000 luck on my sampire and when using my Mage the luck is at 2200. Like I posted yesterday, the drops are just not worth the time or effort to be in there.. and I do all my killing on Fel side which has been stated in the past is supposed to have a boost to the loot.. That just isnt happening!
     
  32. Mesanna

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    Hi guys,

    We did not intentionally nerf the loot in Shame, Phoenix is looking into this issue and we can hopefully have a fix for this in Publish 75.

    Mesanna
     
  33. flappy6

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    Thanks so much for the reply,we know you are busy but we are crazy for uo!
     
  34. Smokin

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    I sure hope Pub 75 isn't long away, I need my shame fix.
     
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    This is great news. :)
     
  36. silent

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    Thanks for the reply.
     
  37. Obsidian

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    Thank you for the reply, Messana... But any chance we can get this sooner? Maybe in publish 74.0.3 sometime next week?
     
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    I've been collecting Level 4 Shame loot the last week to analyze it further. Here are my observations:

    1) Loot is generally lower quality; there are far fewer artifact quality items

    2) There appears to be no noticable change in skill groupings. DI and SDI remain linked.

    3) The amount of items from level 4, though lesser in quality, yield more relic frags upon imbue. I've noticed almost a doubled rate of return for relics.

    I like the increase in relics but I would like the chance to get Legendary and Greater artifacts again. They are very few and far between.

    -OBSIDIAN-
     
  39. CovenantX

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    I've done tests with the similar results as well. tram loot is almost impossible to get Lesser Artifact quality items and up. (I've farmed about 10 UEV's in 1890 Luck in both tram & fel.) and not a single item above "Greater magic item" in tram, nothing above "Greater Artifact" in fel.

    In fel you seem to get artifacts more often than in tram, but its still noticeably more rare in both facets.

    More relics is nice... but there are still tweaks to be made to loot as the quality is horrible. Shame was Completely empty btw.

    Also for how tough the "Ogre Cook" is in Wrong, his loot seems to be pretty weak as well in both tram & fel.
     
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    Wootie!

    Good to know, the Dev's are aware of this issue =]
     
  41. Shelleybean

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    I have noticed that I am getting jewelry with SSI not automatically linked to FC and FCR. It's bittersweet though since the loot overall has dropped in quality. I hope they unlink DI and SDI but the devs haven't indicated that they will. This needs to be done before any more dungeons are rolled out with the new loot generator. Also, treasure maps and instruments are few and far between. There's no reason why the new monsters can't spawn these as loot.
     
  42. Shakkara

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    Messana and Phoenix to the rescue! :)