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Things the event could do without ALL of

Discussion in 'UHall' started by GalenKnighthawke, Jun 18, 2011.

  1. GalenKnighthawke

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    Sorry for the awkward phrasing of the subject line.

    While I am having some fun fighting these event monsters, I feel that a combination of factors add more frustration than challenge. Taking out or nerfing just a couple of these could be a welcome change.
    • The Spiders.
    • The fire breath.
    • The way the monsters cluster.
    • The dismounting.
    • The extremely high hit points.

    Personally I think taking out or nerfing just, say, 2 of these would make the event a lot more fun, a lot less frustrating, and wouldn't make it much easier per se.

    -Galen's player
     
  2. MalagAste

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    I was more annoyed with the firebreath and the spiders..

    Oh and killed 10 of them got ONE document.... that is BS.
     
  3. Martyna Zmuir

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    Cut the HP by 3/4ths and halve the fire breath damage (or frequency).

    Honestly, its incredibly boring to have to wail on something for a half hour+ (each) to get an absurdly low chance at a document drop. When you realize that you have to do this 10 times for the quest AND gather 10 specific documents, the quest becomes way too much of a grind.

    Might as well just chain Lady M's or Medusa, they would definately be more fun.

    The Dev Team needs to learn that uber mobs don't need to be used constantly. Obscenely high HP and silly specials are for EM events and bosses.

    Quest Grade: D-
     
  4. Beastmaster

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    As a QUEST I have to give it an F.
     
  5. Uvtha

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    If they were SMART, they would do something like strong monsters that have a HIGH chance of dropping quest items, and weaker monsters that have a LOW chance of dropping quest items so that everyone can do the quest, not just bards or groups.
     
  6. :talktothehand: Pffffft!
    Y'all spoilt with the current vending machines of immediate gratification ...

    look at yourselves ...bargaining for so many clicks to mob death
    so many mobs for reward one(no repeats after)
    some number Nmobs for final reward
    final reward received ... what is it for?

    :rant2:the game is a time waster and there is no shortcut available to waste time more efficiently and y'all thinking and/or expecting that the devs time should be spent tending to that impossible task ... :fight:

    learn role play
    you can >creatively< waste time
    WITH OTHERS ...

    PS: Barney already WON uo a long time ago
    the game is designed so that feat CANNOT be repeated ...
     
  7. Mark Trail

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    Drop Rate

    Suppose the drop rate is 50%. Kill 10 minions and 5 scrolls drop. With a party of 5 sharing them, you get 1 scroll out of 10 kills.

    The kill time was 20 minutes at first. Now it is down to 5 minutes per minion on Atlantic.
     
  8. Martyna Zmuir

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    Troll elsewhere.
     
  9. Den2

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    Party of 2...discord archer & mysticism mage. Average kill time is 6-8 minutes. Cast RC to keep it busy, discord and shoot w/ archer...keep the minion focused on the mage w/ Gift of Renewal cast...drop WoD when low. Rinse and repeat.

    The only annoying thing for me is that I got 9 of the documents and several copies...still can't get that 10th one.
     
  10. MalagAste

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    This event is too much of a pain... after killing over 20 of the things each one taking me about 40 min... I've gotten 2 scrolls.... At least with a bunch of the other quest things something ALWAYS dropped..... And to top it off the loot stinks...

    2 plain mage scrolls a few gold and 3 or 4 pieces of crap that aren't even worth more than Magical Residue???

    It's no wonder I'm getting to the point where I just don't want to play anymore...
     
  11. Nimuaq

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    In TC1, there were no trapdoor spiders or toxic sliths. Also, three to four daemons were constantly spawning on the same screen as the teleport. The ankh to the south of the teleport was also filled with daemons, so I was going all the way back to the moongate to res. There were at least twice the number of daemons.

    I'm glad they removed like 50% of the daemons from the isle and cleared the spawns around the teleport and the ankh.

    Any player who hunts in Ter Mur is familiar with the those nasty trapdoor spiders (and kepetch ambushers). They usually spawn in some specific areas and this is also the case for the athenaeum isle. The trapdoor spider spawn on the other side of the teleport is there for quite some time. The daemons' hit points is nearly half of the blackrock golems'. If they didn't have a breath attack, they would be quite easy prey for my archer.


    What I would like to see was:

    Remember the event which we used Ricardo's Ancient Lamp to search diary entries? Ricardo was giving a new clue every day and we were trying to find the location using that day's clue?

    Queen Zhah could have given us a clue every day or a book in Ancient Library could have an entry pointing to a specific monster that can be found in Ter Mur, Stygian Abyss Dungeon, Underworld or Tomb of Kings (forgotten servant, putrid undead gargoyle, etc.). We would still kill 10 daemons (since being one of the top attackers counts, this is not the hardest part). And the daemons could drop like 10 random imbuing ingredients. Just a thought.
     
  12. Sevin0oo0

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    If you want it easy, play on TEST. oh wait, suks there too, nm
     
  13. 5% Luck

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    IDK bout all this. It is the 1st leg of this event cycle right? Remember past events where the 1st round of an event was getting frozen at the castle watching a 30 minute "live action play"?

    This is hot stuff in comparison!

    I for one, just hope as this thing gains steam it stays heady!

    It is also a great test for the devs. Think about it, you get frustrated and start pulling out the massive damage templates! The devs need to see what we have in the closet.
     
  14. Barok

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    The devs probably expect people to trade to complete the set.
     
  15. Den2

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    I am going to try again tomorrow for some time and then if I don't get my last piece I was going to publicize the trade options Monday or so...on Catskills btw. I fully expect to trade...as I did w/ the orc ship deeds and other items.
     
  16. Lady Storm

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    Dev 's must learn you kids have a short attention span and like things semi short and sweet. Thou you do forget Bonnie(Mesanna) has a hand in this. She loves to kill off all you knot heads who are gluttons for punishment. Personaly when its too much for 1 player to do I tend to go fishig or mining... I get way better stuff and no headaches.
     
  17. Martyna Zmuir

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    The heaviest damage template, the sampire, is useless for this event. The leaches do more damage to you due to the demons corrupt life force. Bards do sorta ok, though even at all 120's, you fail at provocation and discord quite often. Tamers get their pets chewed up as they try to heal both their pet and themselves (I have yet to try on a tamer myself). Mystics do about as well as mages, and throwers/archers seem to do ok with mage support.




    And really, its not easy mode people want, we just don't want to have to grind near-boss-level mobs for the randomly low chance at one of 10 needed quest items. Grinding = bad design.
     
  18. 5% Luck

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    I have been using the old style necro mage temp. Ive been dropping FS bombs from 195-226 fairly consistent. I was kind of surprised at the damage as it is comparable to the sampire your speaking of as the "best"!
     
  19. Budwieser

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    = Trammel.


    QFTW
     
  20. Basara

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    I find the event great for skill gains (I gained about 10 full skill points, spread across 6 skills - 9 of the 10 in archery, anatomy & tactics - in just about an hour there).

    And, are you sure it's fire breath? It was setting off my poison eater talisman from last year's events....
     
  21. NuSair

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    For Bards.... Curse the Demon before attempting to Discor/Provoke (Discord drops fire and energy resist to 36), it GREATLY increases your chances of landing the effect.

    For Tamers.... In 1v1, I was able to keep my Greater Dragon healed, for multiples, only if they were Discorded. If I fell behind, Arcane Empowerment allowed me to easily heal the Dragon back to full health. Next time I take my tamer, I want to try my Rune Beetle.

    Nice event for Throwers/Archers.

    I want to try my 'Pure' (aka not Sampire) Parry Paladin, but he doesn't have a suit atm.

    Also, I want to say that this event makes me want to renew the call for the ability to have individual corpses for people in a party. This is a near perfect event for Bards to make use of their songs....
     
  22. Squeax

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    I like how they make everything hit for ridiculous damage, then add in deliberate nerfs to additionally screw over the only template in the game that actually gets hit on purpose.
     
  23. Kim Li of LS

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    I see the low drop rate as the major problem, if the drop rate on the docs is gonna be this low the quest might as will be kill 80-100 deamons.

    Oh, and the corrupted life force idea was good at first, but now its starting to get major lame. These things hit like a truck, if a sampire can take the damage and deal with the multiple clustering spawn they should be able to participate. I don't think the life drain should be nerfed, on the other hand I'm not crazy enough to bring mine down there drain or no.
     
  24. Pfloyd

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    I don't find the drop rate at all that low...My average is 50% on groups of 2...Sometimes i get 2 sometimes 0 but most of the time 1.

    The drop rate might seem low to people NOT sharing but get a group and split the loot later i bet it will go much better.

    God forbid they put in something that needs cooperation.
     
  25. GalenKnighthawke

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    Ok, going to try and reclaim control of my thread here.....

    I was suggesting tweaks to the monsters which could make them less frustrating.

    Given the raw numbers of them we have to fight, and that these are not boss monsters as far as I can tell (they certainly aren't in the fiction) it doesn't seem unreasonable.

    I was careful to say that I didn't find it terrible as it is. I don't mind that Sampires are nerfed for the event because they can already solo enough things in this game. It's not like the template itself was nerfed overall. I haven't found the drop rate to be terrible. I like that cooperation makes it easier. They are solo-able as is, though it's quite difficult.

    I was speaking, strictly, of the frustration level. I don't think that nerfing the breath attack, for example, would make them all that much easier, but it would make them much less frustrating. And the original creature would make an appropriate uber-creature at some event; 20 of them break into Zhah's palace and have to be repelled or something.

    But as something to farm? I don't think less frustration is inappropriate to request.

    -Galen's player
     
  26. Smoot

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    worst part of this event is that you can stand in certain spots on the lower side of the bank and not get hit by any high damage at all. can solo them with an archer / thrower with one click, and dog form or an hp regen suit.

    this really shouldnt be the case.
     
  27. regain control to get the outcome you desire?
    *tsk*
    change the game setting to make it easier ... for solo's?
    when the >easier< solution is Teaming? (change your tactics not the game mechanics)
    Frustrating in that you had no ready rolled template?

    oh wait ... there it is
    shouldn't that be
    But as something NEW-SPARKLY to farm?:party:

    I think so ... and at least one Other it seems
     
  28. Squeax

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    If I'm going to get a group of people together to kill something, it's going to be something more rewarding than this quest garbage and it's stupid book.

    Ophidian rations, crystals, books of truth, glass daggers. Has there ever been a quest item that turned out to be important, and not just a forgettable bit of garbage with a pointless use (like making Magincia plants grow) tacked on after months of complaining?

    Yeah let me just rush right out and get my gargoyle tome. I bet it'll be worth uber points in Spring Cleaning 2013 when whoever our Producer is by then finally gets harrassed enough to remember it exists.
     
  29. Ah!
    you want certainty of outcome ...

    Why go to a knife fight "unprepared" ??

    [​IMG]


    you might lose ... :thumbsup: noted!!
     
  30. GalenKnighthawke

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    You flat-out do not like the event.

    No good reason, then, to troll a thread about how to improve it when you flat-out don't like it. Save, of course, for trolling's sake.

    This thread by definition seeks to accept the event on its own terms and improve it from where it is.

    -Galen's player
     
  31. WildWobble

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    The last few dev made events have been well @!$% you can pick your own four letter word.

    The events have been trash as of late come on devs get yourself some inspiration go play d&d one night or go get real drunk even a hit of lsd might help as it is now i can't help but think we are scrapeing the bottom of the talent pool here.
     
  32. Vyal

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    I been saying they need to get high for at least 2 years :rant2:
     
  33. CovenantX

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    The loot sucks on every mob in UO and since these new demons use the Same graphic of a Balron the loot is that of a balron with 1 added "Quest item"

    *thinks they should have an additional chance to drop somethig similar to Conjurer's trinket or some kind of artifact to pack. .. is the quest reward even good? no, didnt think so.
     
  34. GalenKnighthawke

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    I suppose I should have known better than to think I could start a useful thread instead of one full of random hate flaming about loot.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Well, it depends, at least as I see it.......

    It all depends, IMHO, on how long the Event will run for.

    If it will run for too short a time, this means "forcing" players into an annoying and tedious grind.

    Instead, if the Event will last a very good while, the fact that to get 1 document takes time can be diluted over several days span.

    Like, for example, get 1 document per week, for example, whenever one has the time and the feel for it (some players can only play weekends...).

    Of course, this means having an Event that will need to last at the very least for 3 months as 10 weeks (to gather 10 documents...) makes 2 and a half months.......

    Grinding, as I see it, is doing it over and over in too short a time. If one does it a little at a time it won't bring that annoying and tedious grinding feeling.

    Did they say for how long the current Event will stay active ?
     
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    Hey, guys, ladies...........it's an EVENT. Success isn't written in stone. If you finish you finish, if not, that's the way it goes.

    No ones being forced to do it either. The loot, if that's all you care about.....go play wow or or some other kiddie game where they tantalize your puberty with pixel crack.

    I haven't even tried it yet. From what I feel as I type, I ain't missin nuthin either........later
     
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    Ha! :thumbup:
     
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    My guildmate and I finished the event Saturday. It took us 4 days to get all scrolls. We played for abour 3 hours in am and pm. Spent 200K on bolts. Died several times. We ended up killing just over 100 Minions(demons) to get all of the scrolls. Turned them in to the queen and got our reward (if you want to know what it was PM me, Im not gonna spoil it). Overall I was not impressed and hesitant to do another one of these quests.
     
  39. Smoot

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    If a dev ever reads this Please dont allow this portion of the event to run more than a few weeks. It really disturbs the flow of the event, and punishes players who actually participate in the event to have it last longer. Because, the quest items are hard to obtain, but after a few weeks they become very common. So, what alot of people have resorted to doing with events like these is - farm quest items at the start, sell them all for high price, wait till they are common, buy for low price. This turns the event into little more than the crappy uo economic system.

    To solve this problem, the books could like other quest books, blessed to your character, or more favorably (because of duplicates / trading) have this portion of the event on last a few weeks, not enough time for the drops to become common.

    Yes people may complain that they didnt have enough time to complete, but hey, if you cant get the books in 3 weeks you really shouldnt be worrying about the game that much.

    Think not only of the players who cant complete the event during a three week period, but also that many players might not be around in the next couple months. Id rather have a fast flowing event chain, that is completable by 80percent of UO players, than long running events that 100 percent could complete one section, but only perhaps 30 percent actually be around for the months it can take to complete a full chain.

    Fast moving chains, or none at all please !
     
  40. GalenKnighthawke

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    Any time limit they set should take into account the drop rate of the necessary items and the difficulty of the creature.

    Every method people normally use for fighting these things in a group, my presence as a warrior merely interferes with.

    I am thus in essence forced to do them solo, solely to avoid messing up other people.

    I can at most do 1 a day, and some days, tonight for example, I doubt I will even be able to do 1.

    I cannot possibly be the only player in this position, or a similar one.

    I do agree though that, say, several months of non-advancement serves no purpose whatsoever. They could keep it up for a year and at least one person would still complain when they canceled it.

    -Galen's player

     
  41. soze

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    There is a difference between challenging/GRIND and challenging/FUN.
     
  42. MalagAste

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    This quest is by no means fun. I started out having high hopes... but after working 40 min just to kill one of these and getting nothing... 4 or 5 monsters later the "fun" aspect very quickly wore off and the irritational effect was growing in it's place. Eventually I just gave up. I don't have time to grind away at these things day in day out spending 4 to 5 hours just to get 1 scroll.

    And with the way my internet connection is of late it's extremely difficult for me to solo these or anything so I have to wait till there are others around to come with me... severely limiting my time to "grind".

    Besides which most of my friends got sick of the grind in the first couple of days of trying and don't really want to join me, not that I blame them.
     
  43. It Lives

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    I agree with GalenKnighthawke, In general the event is no fun.
     
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    Some quests are not meant to be easy. This one however isn't all that difficult, just time consuming. All we can really do now is see how things progress. ATM, we don't even know what the book is good for...
     
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    I may well be wrong in my thinking but as I personally see it, I think that the game should address the needs of all players, those who can connect several hours a day and those who can only connect a few hours on the weekend.....

    The Developers, I think, must also look at the scarce time that many players can spend in the Event (i.e., for example, only on weekends...) to decide the time frame that the Event is let to run in order to allow enough time to at least the widest range possible of players to participate in full to the Event.

    The success of a game, as I see it, is when most players are pleased not just a minority....


    Why would it be like that ?

    Does it say before buying Ultima Online that one has to spend several hours playing daily as a requirement ? Not to my knowledge......

    Besides, even though for school is coming summer time, a LOT of UO players are players with a family, work and they often are not able to play week days, even if they wanted to.
    These players often can only play weekends and often not even both saturday and sunday because there is stuff to do at home, with kids, family and all that.

    Three weeks could only mean for many players a few hours to participate at the Event, definately not enough to complete the 10 documents requirement.

    The game already has extremely short Events often missed by many because of their very short window (EM Events), let at least Main Events span a time large enough to accomodate the largest number of players possible, even those with limited playing time.......


    Uhu ???

    The Developers should now think for players who will no longer play the game in the future to come and not assist players who, even considering their reduced playing time because of real life will keep being subscribed ??

    If someone plays the game 1 hour a week and pays for the monthly subscription month after month to the game, as I see it, thanking to the continued subscription paid appears to me a resource to the game instead of someone who plays 15 hours a day for a month and then, perhaps, unsubscribes......

    I am sorry, but I think differently. Players who can only play a limited time, especially because they cannot often participate to EM Events having too short a time window for them, should at least be given with Main Events a time window large enough for them to participate and complete their Event requirements as much as possible.

    So, I am all in favour of each section of the Event spanning for a time long enough to accomodate both scarce playing time AND whatever the requirements might be to complete that Event section.

    For the current Event we are talking about, I see 2-3 months are the minimum time to also accomodate those players who can only play on weekends.
     
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    I was fighting these for about an hour or so with a small group on europa yesterday.
    I used a necro mage weaver so i was doing plenty of damage.
    My hopes was high but the best i came away with was a 1% LRC ring and NO documents.
    I left the ring on the floor so others could see the Uberness of the loot to expect from such a powerful mob.
    I know there killed for the documents but come on...
    Oh well, back to hunting mongbats...oh wait....i mean deamons.
     
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    A disco/provo mage and mystic archer or thrower can take 2 down in under 15 min. Also for sampires, add healing. 2 sampire cross healing can take one down in under 10 minutes. Feint works the best when using a sampire.
     
  48. Do what I do. Buy them for 1 million. Sell your doubles for 2 million. Fight the monsters as you spam buying your doubles for 1 million.


    It works.
     
  49. MalagAste

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    I fought them for quite awhile this morning killed several.... got..... NOTHING.

    Not one scroll.... I was killing them quickly enough using a Bard with Discord and the new Dispair or whatever .... was hitting them pretty good along with a Mystic Mage.... to keep a RC on it and keep it occupied... but for what?

    It shouldn't take so long. Why don't more of them have scrolls? I've killed all I need to many times over... I'm fed up with working so hard for no reward.

    Shoot I got better loot from the Raptors on the way in.
     
  50. soulstoner

    soulstoner Guest

    I like it.
    • A good challenge
    • Brings people out together
    • Getting great skill gains
    • Glad it's not a quick wham-bam
    • I've got 7 of the 10 pieces with a couple extras to trade or sell to RavenWinterHawk

    Kudos so far - I love these kind of events envoking community banning together with opportunity of making new acquaintances :thumbup: